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Performance Enhancing Drug in Starcraft 2? Yes. - Page 7

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Billyssjssfj
Profile Joined April 2011
104 Posts
April 06 2011 09:04 GMT
#121
IMHO people should be allowed to put/do whatever they want to their own bodies...it's quite redic for someone else to tell somebody what they can and can't put in their own self. In a perfect society people would think for themselves and leave everybody else alone, but you know. As far as competition is concerned I think performance enhancing should be encouraged on all levels. I also think that if you are willing to put foreign chemicals in your body you should research thoroughly, and treat all drugs with respect. Any drug from caffiene to steroids to advil can be dangerous if abused. Live and let dope.
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 09:10:06
April 06 2011 09:06 GMT
#122
this is the most ridiculous thread ever

Yeah HuK downing a few pills of xanax to quell his nerves might help a little bit, at the same time it has it's own adverse reaction in slowing his brain down. I really doubt that drugs would help you play SC2 better or even practice better.

Being in shape

eating healthy

getting good sleep

meditating/relaxing/getting a massage(an ma)

there are like a million ways to improve your concentration/recharge other than taking a pill that are way more positive.
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 09:11:10
April 06 2011 09:10 GMT
#123
As it is an intelectual sport, if you begin to ban ANYTHING that improves your awarness, you're off tho forbiding coffee and make players drink only water for 2 days before their matches, in fear of being controlled positive...

It's really hard to determine the difference between «cheating» and «playing in the best conditions».

Therefore I won't vote with such simplistic options in the poll.
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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
April 06 2011 09:15 GMT
#124
How do you stop people from using this?
kckkryptonite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1126 Posts
April 06 2011 09:26 GMT
#125
Unless you're playing all-day SC2 marathons, the advantage isn't big enough to actually make a difference. It is not at all comparable to steroids. Knee-jerk reaction to the question is no, but IMO it's kind of stupid what is being suggested by the Wikipedia experts.

If you're going to test for Adderall, then on basis of moral, you're going to have to test for all drugs that supposedly enhance mental concentration (ritalin and concerta off the top of my head) and give an edge. Energy drinks will do basically the same thing.

Not only is whether the drugs actually make you play significantly better is still conjecture, how feasible do you think this is? Like other have mentioned, how do you separate those that actually need it and those that don't? Should we also not allow people to have good diets or read? That also supposedly improves mental concentration.
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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 10:20:24
April 06 2011 10:17 GMT
#126
On April 06 2011 13:21 Vykenos wrote:
I dont want to pretend to know much about this so I will start with a question: Are the substances banned by most sports clubs also illegal to obtain normally?

My first thought to a topic like this is that it is completely retarded and should be removed by the mods... but if I were to approach it logically my thoughts are that any "drug" that a player may obtain lawfully should not be questioned and those found to be abusing substances obtained unlawfully should be punished/shunned. Using something for concentration in a SC2 compares to a Football/Soccer/Basketball player taking a painkiller or shot for a bad knee in terms of being frowned upon I think.


As an example, in skeeing there are some medication for asma that are banned, but if you prove you have asma and notify the people in charge of the tournament beforehand it can be allowed. I'd say it's more on that level than simply painkillers that athletes use all the time.

Also I'm a bit baffles that some people can't see the difference in taking drugs and simply eating well...
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CoMMoDuS
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany507 Posts
April 06 2011 10:19 GMT
#127
I think allowing stim is enough.
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Infini
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland12 Posts
April 06 2011 10:20 GMT
#128
Let them eat ...drugs.

Voted yes, I don't think there's a realistic way to control it anyway.
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 10:27:48
April 06 2011 10:23 GMT
#129
On April 06 2011 18:10 mr_tolkien wrote:
As it is an intelectual sport, if you begin to ban ANYTHING that improves your awarness, you're off tho forbiding coffee and make players drink only water for 2 days before their matches, in fear of being controlled positive...

It's really hard to determine the difference between «cheating» and «playing in the best conditions».

Therefore I won't vote with such simplistic options in the poll.


line is crossed when its not needed drugs. pretty simple.


its not a question if you could improve your play by taking the right stuff. from all the way overused performance drugs they give out like candy these days over simple speed to cocaine. but that should in no way be promoted or even allowed.



On April 06 2011 19:23 Novalisk wrote:
First it must be proven that an advantage is indeed given.

Drug control isn't cheap.


if you question this then you have no clue sorry. thats like questioning if beer makes you piss more. you dont need research to proof it when evryone who has any expirience with it can tell you its true ~.
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Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
April 06 2011 10:23 GMT
#130
First it must be proven that an advantage is indeed given.

Drug control isn't cheap.
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acidfreak
Profile Joined November 2010
Romania352 Posts
April 06 2011 10:28 GMT
#131
Yea ban Adderal. And while you're at it, ban Red Bull too. And sugar. And long walks in the park the night before the game.
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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
April 06 2011 10:30 GMT
#132
On April 06 2011 19:28 acidfreak wrote:
Yea ban Adderal. And while you're at it, ban Red Bull too. And sugar. And long walks in the park the night before the game.


you cant see the difference between performance enhancing drugs and sugar?
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Actuarial
Profile Joined February 2011
United States18 Posts
April 06 2011 10:31 GMT
#133
Long time lurker. First time poster. Kinda a strange thread to jump in on I guess but here it goes...

I have been diagnosed with ADHD and have been prescribed Adderall. The past couple months I have not been taking any Adderall so I know what it is like to play Starcraft with and without Adderall. I can only speak from personal experience but I can honestly say that it doesn't make a noticeable difference in my level of play in Starcraft or any other game. In fact, I have been playing considerably better in the last month or two than I ever have(Not that I think the Adderall ever held me back, I have just learned more about the game and practiced better).

Adderall helps me focus on things that I otherwise have trouble focusing on like school or anything that bores me. But when I am playing Starcraft, I naturally focus intensely on the game. The only thing I have noticed is that I get mentally tired sooner. The result is that I can't seem to play quite as many games all in one sitting as I could when I was taking my prescription. I suppose that could be a significant advantage in some tournaments, but a cup or two of coffee has a big enough effect to curb mental fatigue for me.

If I was good enough to be competing at a high level, I don't think focusing on a big tournament game would be a problem. In fact I think I would have a problem more along the lines of Huk(Who I actually saw and talked to last weekend in Dallas. He was certainly jittery). I would be more stimulated than I already needed to be and taking any Adderall would probably do more harm than good. I don't think that any pill is going to make me or anybody else a better player or be able to give any significant competitive edge. Until somebody can prove otherwise, it seems silly to be discussing making players pee in a cup at every LAN tournament.

Oh and one more thing. I think you might be surprised at how many pro gamers might actually have ADHD. Obviously nobody has any numbers so its only speculation, but people with ADHD actually tend to be able to focus considerably more intensely than most people can on the few things that interest them the most. It would be a shame to start telling those players that are prescribed medications for a condition that they can't compete or that they need a letter from a medical professional to be allowed to compete.
Nadir
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-06 10:35:06
April 06 2011 10:34 GMT
#134
On April 06 2011 19:23 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 18:10 mr_tolkien wrote:
As it is an intelectual sport, if you begin to ban ANYTHING that improves your awarness, you're off tho forbiding coffee and make players drink only water for 2 days before their matches, in fear of being controlled positive...

It's really hard to determine the difference between «cheating» and «playing in the best conditions».

Therefore I won't vote with such simplistic options in the poll.


line is crossed when its not needed drugs. pretty simple.


its not a question if you could improve your play by taking the right stuff. from all the way overused performance drugs they give out like candy these days over simple speed to cocaine. but that should in no way be promoted or even allowed.



Show nested quote +
On April 06 2011 19:23 Novalisk wrote:
First it must be proven that an advantage is indeed given.

Drug control isn't cheap.


if you question this then you have no clue sorry. thats like questioning if beer makes you piss more. you dont need research to proof it when evryone who has any expirience with it can tell you its true ~.

I posted a meta-analysis from a freakin neuroscience journal that says the assumption that these drugs would give you an advantage is false on the strength of the evidence available. Are you ignoring it or just not reading it?
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Frumsan
Profile Joined September 2008
Sweden117 Posts
April 06 2011 10:40 GMT
#135
I feel like implementing a rule like that with no chance of reinforcing it would only undermine laws, rules and regulations in general, so I votes "Yes".
"The best counter to anything in Starcraft is to go fuckin' kill him." - Day[9]
Caboosian
Profile Joined December 2010
United States4 Posts
April 06 2011 10:40 GMT
#136
It seems to me that performance enhancing drugs have less of an effect in Starcraft or other e-sports than, say, steroids do in baseball or football. It's like there's a lower ceiling for drug-aided skill enhancement.

For instance, I used to follow the Halo scene a bit, and it was well known that some top players took adderall, some players took xanax. Even more crazily, there were some pros rumored to often play drunk/high. It didn't really seem to matter though. It was almost like they preferred to play in a certain state of mind, but clearly no team rose to the top because one drug-enhanced player seperated himself from the pack. There was no Barry Bonds.

Until we start hearing about players making massive leaps in improvement when they use, I doubt it'll be an issue like other sports.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
April 06 2011 10:41 GMT
#137
Long post deleted, aderall gives a competitive advantage in esports.

It did the same in college, big exam time pop a couple aderalls and you catch up no problem.

It's unhealthy, it won't make a bad player good but it may ensure a good player plays well.
SovSov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States755 Posts
April 06 2011 10:42 GMT
#138
I use to take Adderall and played video games on it.

There are 2 noticeable things that it gives an advantage with:
First is confidence. You gain more confidence with it, this could help with people who nervous in matches, but it's not 100% confidence. When playing important matches and such I would still get nervous and sometimes choke in the games I played. So it didn't seem to completely nullify personal problems.

Second is training.

This is where it REALLY comes in handy. You can play for 14 hours a day and not get bored or feel the need to stop. The thing with Adderall is that the focus makes anything almost "addictive". You never want to stop and you feel no need to stop.

So all in all, from my personal experiences, both advantages of Adderall are things that aren't impossible for people not taking it to achieve through practice.
MaxPro
Profile Joined March 2011
13 Posts
April 06 2011 10:43 GMT
#139
On April 06 2011 13:47 Atrophy wrote:
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On April 06 2011 10:40 MaxPro wrote:
big misconception that adderall makes you better. Only thing it would do is help people concentrate the entire game without their mind slipping off the game and think about the crowd etc..
being a former halo pro i know that 85% of the pros take adderall consistently at tourneys and the owners know it. which is why tests will not be enforced at mlg. remember adderall does not make you a better player. if it provides more exciting matches i dont see what the problem is. Amphetamine-based medications are banned in South Korea. They cannot be obtained at a South Korean pharmacy and are illegal to import. if you think you cannot beat someone because they are on adderall. take it yourself or get pwnd bro



...You were a halo pro? I don't believe you. What was your tag.

And I thought gamers taking adderall to enhance their performance was common knowledge.


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Armsved
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark642 Posts
April 06 2011 11:04 GMT
#140
Its fine, they should be allowed to take whatever they want.

Anyone watch tour de france? Every year you can be 100% sure the winner is on drugs and every year is filled with scandals. What the fuck do they expect is going to happens when you set a human being to ride 250km through mountains every day for a month.

I say make it legal in all sports, let them go crazy with it. There isnt much to do about it anyway and making drug tests etc. will only make a sport look worse, because people will still do it and some will get cought.
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