EPTPerformance Enhancing Drug in Starcraft 2? Yes. - Page 7
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Billyssjssfj
104 Posts
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
Yeah HuK downing a few pills of xanax to quell his nerves might help a little bit, at the same time it has it's own adverse reaction in slowing his brain down. I really doubt that drugs would help you play SC2 better or even practice better. Being in shape eating healthy getting good sleep meditating/relaxing/getting a massage(an ma) there are like a million ways to improve your concentration/recharge other than taking a pill that are way more positive. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
It's really hard to determine the difference between «cheating» and «playing in the best conditions». Therefore I won't vote with such simplistic options in the poll. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
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kckkryptonite
1126 Posts
If you're going to test for Adderall, then on basis of moral, you're going to have to test for all drugs that supposedly enhance mental concentration (ritalin and concerta off the top of my head) and give an edge. Energy drinks will do basically the same thing. Not only is whether the drugs actually make you play significantly better is still conjecture, how feasible do you think this is? Like other have mentioned, how do you separate those that actually need it and those that don't? Should we also not allow people to have good diets or read? That also supposedly improves mental concentration. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On April 06 2011 13:21 Vykenos wrote: I dont want to pretend to know much about this so I will start with a question: Are the substances banned by most sports clubs also illegal to obtain normally? My first thought to a topic like this is that it is completely retarded and should be removed by the mods... but if I were to approach it logically my thoughts are that any "drug" that a player may obtain lawfully should not be questioned and those found to be abusing substances obtained unlawfully should be punished/shunned. Using something for concentration in a SC2 compares to a Football/Soccer/Basketball player taking a painkiller or shot for a bad knee in terms of being frowned upon I think. As an example, in skeeing there are some medication for asma that are banned, but if you prove you have asma and notify the people in charge of the tournament beforehand it can be allowed. I'd say it's more on that level than simply painkillers that athletes use all the time. Also I'm a bit baffles that some people can't see the difference in taking drugs and simply eating well... | ||
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CoMMoDuS
Germany507 Posts
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Infini
Poland12 Posts
Voted yes, I don't think there's a realistic way to control it anyway. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On April 06 2011 18:10 mr_tolkien wrote: As it is an intelectual sport, if you begin to ban ANYTHING that improves your awarness, you're off tho forbiding coffee and make players drink only water for 2 days before their matches, in fear of being controlled positive... It's really hard to determine the difference between «cheating» and «playing in the best conditions». Therefore I won't vote with such simplistic options in the poll. line is crossed when its not needed drugs. pretty simple. its not a question if you could improve your play by taking the right stuff. from all the way overused performance drugs they give out like candy these days over simple speed to cocaine. but that should in no way be promoted or even allowed. On April 06 2011 19:23 Novalisk wrote: First it must be proven that an advantage is indeed given. Drug control isn't cheap. if you question this then you have no clue sorry. thats like questioning if beer makes you piss more. you dont need research to proof it when evryone who has any expirience with it can tell you its true ~. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
Drug control isn't cheap. | ||
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acidfreak
Romania352 Posts
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On April 06 2011 19:28 acidfreak wrote: Yea ban Adderal. And while you're at it, ban Red Bull too. And sugar. And long walks in the park the night before the game. you cant see the difference between performance enhancing drugs and sugar? | ||
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Actuarial
United States18 Posts
I have been diagnosed with ADHD and have been prescribed Adderall. The past couple months I have not been taking any Adderall so I know what it is like to play Starcraft with and without Adderall. I can only speak from personal experience but I can honestly say that it doesn't make a noticeable difference in my level of play in Starcraft or any other game. In fact, I have been playing considerably better in the last month or two than I ever have(Not that I think the Adderall ever held me back, I have just learned more about the game and practiced better). Adderall helps me focus on things that I otherwise have trouble focusing on like school or anything that bores me. But when I am playing Starcraft, I naturally focus intensely on the game. The only thing I have noticed is that I get mentally tired sooner. The result is that I can't seem to play quite as many games all in one sitting as I could when I was taking my prescription. I suppose that could be a significant advantage in some tournaments, but a cup or two of coffee has a big enough effect to curb mental fatigue for me. If I was good enough to be competing at a high level, I don't think focusing on a big tournament game would be a problem. In fact I think I would have a problem more along the lines of Huk(Who I actually saw and talked to last weekend in Dallas. He was certainly jittery). I would be more stimulated than I already needed to be and taking any Adderall would probably do more harm than good. I don't think that any pill is going to make me or anybody else a better player or be able to give any significant competitive edge. Until somebody can prove otherwise, it seems silly to be discussing making players pee in a cup at every LAN tournament. Oh and one more thing. I think you might be surprised at how many pro gamers might actually have ADHD. Obviously nobody has any numbers so its only speculation, but people with ADHD actually tend to be able to focus considerably more intensely than most people can on the few things that interest them the most. It would be a shame to start telling those players that are prescribed medications for a condition that they can't compete or that they need a letter from a medical professional to be allowed to compete. | ||
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Nadir
Australia114 Posts
On April 06 2011 19:23 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: line is crossed when its not needed drugs. pretty simple. its not a question if you could improve your play by taking the right stuff. from all the way overused performance drugs they give out like candy these days over simple speed to cocaine. but that should in no way be promoted or even allowed. if you question this then you have no clue sorry. thats like questioning if beer makes you piss more. you dont need research to proof it when evryone who has any expirience with it can tell you its true ~. I posted a meta-analysis from a freakin neuroscience journal that says the assumption that these drugs would give you an advantage is false on the strength of the evidence available. Are you ignoring it or just not reading it? | ||
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Frumsan
Sweden117 Posts
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Caboosian
United States4 Posts
For instance, I used to follow the Halo scene a bit, and it was well known that some top players took adderall, some players took xanax. Even more crazily, there were some pros rumored to often play drunk/high. It didn't really seem to matter though. It was almost like they preferred to play in a certain state of mind, but clearly no team rose to the top because one drug-enhanced player seperated himself from the pack. There was no Barry Bonds. Until we start hearing about players making massive leaps in improvement when they use, I doubt it'll be an issue like other sports. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
It did the same in college, big exam time pop a couple aderalls and you catch up no problem. It's unhealthy, it won't make a bad player good but it may ensure a good player plays well. | ||
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
There are 2 noticeable things that it gives an advantage with: First is confidence. You gain more confidence with it, this could help with people who nervous in matches, but it's not 100% confidence. When playing important matches and such I would still get nervous and sometimes choke in the games I played. So it didn't seem to completely nullify personal problems. Second is training. This is where it REALLY comes in handy. You can play for 14 hours a day and not get bored or feel the need to stop. The thing with Adderall is that the focus makes anything almost "addictive". You never want to stop and you feel no need to stop. So all in all, from my personal experiences, both advantages of Adderall are things that aren't impossible for people not taking it to achieve through practice. | ||
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MaxPro
13 Posts
On April 06 2011 13:47 Atrophy wrote: ...You were a halo pro? I don't believe you. What was your tag. And I thought gamers taking adderall to enhance their performance was common knowledge. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/learn-about-the-old-spice-rising-star-nominees | ||
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Armsved
Denmark642 Posts
Anyone watch tour de france? Every year you can be 100% sure the winner is on drugs and every year is filled with scandals. What the fuck do they expect is going to happens when you set a human being to ride 250km through mountains every day for a month. I say make it legal in all sports, let them go crazy with it. There isnt much to do about it anyway and making drug tests etc. will only make a sport look worse, because people will still do it and some will get cought. | ||
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