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On April 06 2011 15:42 annaky wrote:
There is no doubt Adderall is performance enhancing,
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Adderall
Combination of
Dextroamphetamine Psychostimulant
Levoamphetamine Psychostimulant
Adderall is a brand-name psychostimulant medication composed of racemic amphetamine aspartate monohydrate, racemic amphetamine sulfate, dextroamphetamine saccharide, and dextroamphetamine sulfate, which is thought by scientists to work by increasing the amount of dopamine and norepinephrine in the brain. In addition, the drug also acts as a potent dopamine reuptake inhibitor and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor.[1] Adderall is widely reported to increase alertness, increase libido, increase concentration and overall cognitive performance, and, in general, improve mood, while decreasing user fatigue.[citation needed] It is available in two formulations: IR (Instant Release) and XR (Extended Release). The immediate release formulation is indicated for use in Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) and narcolepsy,[2] while the XR formulation is approved for use only with ADHD.[1]
Like other powerful stimulant drugs, such as methamphetamine and cocaine, Adderall directly affects the mesolimbic reward pathway in the brain. Because of this, Adderall has a relatively high potential for abuse and addiction, especially if the drug is misused.
This is a perfect example as to why wikipedia is not an academic resource(the references might be, but of course what you bolded is not referenced).
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On April 06 2011 15:01 ShooTouts wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 14:58 sc14s wrote:
This all seems a little silly. Everyone is blowing this out of proportion. This ISNT the same thing as steroids in sports or how old school sports was ripe with drug use *ahem baseball in the early 19th century*
From what I've seen from having a little brother who took aderrall AS well as being an avid FPS gamer. I saw 0 difference in him performance while gaming.. when you are big into gaming usually you have no issues actually concentrating.. so this really seems not like an actual performance enhancing drug.
A good note also is that there are many stimulants in the world.. the most abused drug in existence is completely legal (and happens to have many sponsors in the gaming world herp derp) which is caffeine which really we shouldn't be opening up that can of worms (personally i say let people do whatever they want with whatever the hell they want, its your life to screw up, we really dont have to spend money trying to inhibit drug use... but again thats a completely diff issue) the real reason that it is an advantage in SC2 tourneys is that it will keep you 100% awake and alert for 8 plus hours its not going to make you play any better but you will have a distinct advantage over those people are are getting mentally exhausted
so why not just quaff caffeine pills all day? you will be as alert (if not more)
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It's mental steriods. It shouldn't be allowed because it would enhance and become the norm for players to abuse this substance.
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A.D.D is a protected disability under the Americans with Disabilities Act (1990) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_with_Disabilities_Act_of_1990)
If someone has a prescription for a medication they should be allowed to take it while competing.
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Why is there even a poll asking us whether something illegal should be allowed in SC2? Of course I'm talking about those who don't have a prescription, which is undoubtedly the vast majority of pro SC2 players.
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On April 06 2011 10:11 Talin wrote:
I can't see how something like this would be enforced, but I indeed voted No.
"Piss in this cup while we watch, if you don't your out of the league."
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On April 06 2011 16:58 Doodsmack wrote:
Why is there even a poll asking us whether something illegal should be allowed in SC2? Of course I'm talking about those who don't have a prescription, which is undoubtedly the vast majority of pro SC2 players.
Just wondering what you base your assumption on?
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On April 06 2011 16:57 raid3n wrote:
If someone has a prescription for a medication they should be allowed to take it while competing.
One would hope so.
I have ADD and I've been prescribed medication for it. It doesn't make a huge difference in my play - not any more than a cup of coffee would. What it do notice is that I can play more games in a session than when I'm not on the medication.
For reference like asthma inhalers are considered doping in track & field or swimming unless you have a prescription.
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I vote no - more as a purpose of trying to avoid kids from taking this drug (when, of course, no prescribed) and avoid addiction/abuse/side effects, then being offended by uneven play / what have you.
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People with ADD using adderall is a side issue and is not relevant to this debate. If the drug is performance enhancing, then to compete at a top level it is an advantage to use a drug; it is also possibly dangerous, way more so than caffeine, and not something you want dependence on. If both of those are true, you might gravitate towards a situation where there is pressure on top players to use a drug (in an illegal way?). - not counting people with actual ADD, of course, but there are doctor statements for that.
Enforcing might not be reasonable, but if the assumptions are correct, I would imagine they should at least try.
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i can Imagine the headlines now GSL WINNER BANNED FOR LIFE FOR PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS
I agree if it really is a advantage and money is on the line i would like to be blood/urine tests on the players but the problem is i know someone who has Attention deficit disorder and if im not mistaken they take adderall for the condiction what would happen if he started playing starcraft and decided to compete? would you not allow it? would you have him in a Gsl booth making paper airoplanes messing with hes shoelace whilst trying to compete
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On April 06 2011 17:04 Danjoh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 16:58 Doodsmack wrote:
Why is there even a poll asking us whether something illegal should be allowed in SC2? Of course I'm talking about those who don't have a prescription, which is undoubtedly the vast majority of pro SC2 players. Just wondering what you base your assumption on?
I'm just assuming that the percentage of SC2 players with ADHD is roughly similar to the percentage of the general population that has it.
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I think we need antidoping for the higher level tournaments, just like in any other sport.
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On April 06 2011 17:25 TrANCE, wrote:
i can Imagine the headlines now GSL WINNER BANNED FOR LIFE FOR PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS
I agree if it really is a advantage and money is on the line i would like to be blood/urine tests on the players but the problem is i know someone who has Attention deficit disorder and if im not mistaken they take adderall for the condiction what would happen if he started playing starcraft and decided to compete? would you not allow it? would you have him in a Gsl booth making paper airoplanes messing with hes shoelace whilst trying to compete
He can show a doctor statement that he has to use the medication. It's so easy to solve this problem, that it's not really relevant to the debate of actual top players using adderall to improve performance.
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On April 06 2011 16:43 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 15:01 ShooTouts wrote:On April 06 2011 14:58 sc14s wrote:
This all seems a little silly. Everyone is blowing this out of proportion. This ISNT the same thing as steroids in sports or how old school sports was ripe with drug use *ahem baseball in the early 19th century*
From what I've seen from having a little brother who took aderrall AS well as being an avid FPS gamer. I saw 0 difference in him performance while gaming.. when you are big into gaming usually you have no issues actually concentrating.. so this really seems not like an actual performance enhancing drug.
A good note also is that there are many stimulants in the world.. the most abused drug in existence is completely legal (and happens to have many sponsors in the gaming world herp derp) which is caffeine which really we shouldn't be opening up that can of worms (personally i say let people do whatever they want with whatever the hell they want, its your life to screw up, we really dont have to spend money trying to inhibit drug use... but again thats a completely diff issue) the real reason that it is an advantage in SC2 tourneys is that it will keep you 100% awake and alert for 8 plus hours its not going to make you play any better but you will have a distinct advantage over those people are are getting mentally exhausted so why not just quaff caffeine pills all day? you will be as alert (if not more)
Caffeine pills make you jittery. There's plenty of other drugs that can stave off mental exhaustion without giving you the jitters, though. Modafinil, for example, is a very popular study drug because it allows you to work with perfect mental clarity for about 24-36 hours. Fighter jet pilots take it before taking off. I could probably name another 10-15 pills that would improve a persons cognitive abilities. Adderall isn't the only pill in town.. It is, however, the best!
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oh god, try playing sc2 on adderall sometime, it's the most exhausting thing on earth. it isn't perfomance enhancing; sc2 isn't a calm study session.
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He can show a doctor statement that he has to use the medication. It's so easy to solve this problem, that it's not really relevant to the debate of actual top players using adderall to improve performance
Thats my point suddenly every sc2 pro player contracts A,D,D
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On April 06 2011 10:22 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
If it's prescribed to me, I'm taking it. The day MLG, GSL etc. are allowed to ban prescriptions is the day these organizations get sued for discrimination against the disabled. It's too bad your outlook on medication is limited to abuse, however I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of these players are not "doping" but rather following their doctors instructions. The idea that no player could possibly need Adderral outside the game is as foolish as it is shortsighted. Those that are prescribed Adderral are done so with the assumption and idea that it will put them on the same level of concentration as those that are lucky enough to be born with perfect genes.
and that's why runners without legs (and with metallic futuristic super legs) have special competitions and their records are not written into the book of records.. since they're faster than normal runners.
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Again, the current evidence is that methylphenidate does not improve your performance at Starcraft 2. So why is this an issue at all?
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I see nothing inherently wrong with people taking performance enhancing or other psychoactive drugs for most purposes.
However, just for the peace-of-mind for the fans, consistency, enjoyability of a sport/esport it would be best if psychoactive drug use was prohibited in big tournaments.
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