EPTI wish there was an option for legitimate use on the poll. Kind of disappointed with that, it feels like there isn't very much support for gamers with ADHD in this thread.
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Mcpunknstein
United States2 Posts
I wish there was an option for legitimate use on the poll. Kind of disappointed with that, it feels like there isn't very much support for gamers with ADHD in this thread. | ||
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Robellicose
England245 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On April 10 2011 02:55 Mcpunknstein wrote: I would like to just state that I've been taking medication for ADHD since I was in Kindergarten and am still taking to this point in time(Freshman in College). I am currently on 90mg of Concerta, and would just like to say from my own experiences, that doing certain things that require complex thinking such as mathematics are incredibly hard for me without medication and ironically Starcraft seems no different. It is very hard for me to play SC2 and concentrate as well as I could without my medication. This is probably not the case with most SC players, but it is my case. I would assume that there are people in the SC2 community in my position that would like to compete competitively and I think that this would hurt their chances. I know it would hurt mine. Am I just shooting blanks here, does no one else feel this way? I wish there was an option for legitimate use on the poll. Kind of disappointed with that, it feels like there isn't very much support for gamers with ADHD in this thread. This is true, but I think the debate in the thread deals more with people who don't have ADHD taking Adderall, and since this became an issue in other esports communities/games we're just talking about whether or not we should allow it. Obviously if you have an actual medical issue they're not going to stop you from taking your medication. | ||
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Bakkendepao
Netherlands185 Posts
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Faze.
Canada285 Posts
On April 10 2011 02:55 Mcpunknstein wrote: I would like to just state that I've been taking medication for ADHD since I was in Kindergarten and am still taking to this point in time(Freshman in College). I am currently on 90mg of Concerta, and would just like to say from my own experiences, that doing certain things that require complex thinking such as mathematics are incredibly hard for me without medication and ironically Starcraft seems no different. It is very hard for me to play SC2 and concentrate as well as I could without my medication. This is probably not the case with most SC players, but it is my case. I would assume that there are people in the SC2 community in my position that would like to compete competitively and I think that this would hurt their chances. I know it would hurt mine. Am I just shooting blanks here, does no one else feel this way? I wish there was an option for legitimate use on the poll. Kind of disappointed with that, it feels like there isn't very much support for gamers with ADHD in this thread. I'm in the EXACT same situation, ADHD, 90mg Concerta. I don't know if this is considered doping, but the difference is that this isn't to enhance a ragular brain, it's just to bring it to the same level of speed thinking a brain not affected by ADHD would have. I never considered it a dope in the sense that it gives an advantage, cuz it just doesn't. Now if you were to take it + something else (boy that would be asking for DISASTROUS brain damage) that would actually be considered doping. Playing SC2 with ADHD and no medication is actually a handicap, it's not the "fair" way to play. | ||
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XForce3
Canada45 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4498/naniwa.jpg) He still played like a boss all tourney, but still you have to wonder how much of an edge it gave him. | ||
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Washow
Korea (South)119 Posts
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
Not only that, but so many tournaments are just small or online (remotely). Would it be ideal to ban them? yeah, probably. Can it be enforced? no. This is a rather trivial/ineffectual discussion if you ask me. | ||
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Brett
Australia3822 Posts
On April 10 2011 17:16 XForce3 wrote: In the recent MLG Dallas recap video they just posted, they zoom into Naniwa as he's gearing up to play Kiwikaki in the finals and man, his pupils were DILATED as shit (in the video, around 43:40 after the Black Ops game). Looking at that, there's no way you can say that he wasn't on something at the time especially with how bright the lights are on that stage. He still played like a boss all tourney, but still you have to wonder how much of an edge it gave him. Bold part is horse shit. Has he actually admitted to taking something? Or are you just pulling this out of thin air? I'm not saying it's not in the realms of possibility, but there are other reasons why your pupils will dilate... | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On April 10 2011 17:16 XForce3 wrote: In the recent MLG Dallas recap video they just posted, they zoom into Naniwa as he's gearing up to play Kiwikaki in the finals and man, his pupils were DILATED as shit (in the video, around 43:40 after the Black Ops game). Looking at that, there's no way you can say that he wasn't on something at the time especially with how bright the lights are on that stage. He still played like a boss all tourney, but still you have to wonder how much of an edge it gave him. lol, wouldn't blame him, he played a TON of games--you would need the stamina of a stallion to be able to get through MLG from the open bracket unscathed. Maybe he took a Caffine pill? Or something to calm his nerves (Morrow said he was always this good but always suffered from being too nervous at events) | ||
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TT1
Canada10012 Posts
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Mios
United States686 Posts
Natural chemicals released in your brain when competing in a fast paced game with the world watching you (adrenaline, dopamine) would dilate your pupils just like the adrenaline and dopamine released via amphetamines would. Even though it's possible he was taking some strong stimulant that dilated his pupils, starting rumours like this without knowing the facts and the science of how the brain works (naturally and artificially stimulated) is damaging to a players reputation and we should not be accusing players without proof. Also as to the "legitimate prescription" argument, there's no way of telling how much someone actually needs amphetamines to even the scales. Even though you have ADHD and are prescribed Adderal, it's possible that the Adderal is giving you higher than average focus and concentration even though at baseline you're below average. Allowing amphetamines if you have a legit prescription also creates the motivation for people to fake ADD symptoms to get a prescription. The problem is we will never truly know who needs amphetamines and who doesn't, which is why they should be tested for and disallowed completely. Some people are born with brains better suited to success in RTS games, some people aren't. Many people will never become pro because of genetics or whatever, that's how it's always been. | ||
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Armada Vega
Canada120 Posts
Adderall is really meant for people with ADHD, and meant to be taken in low doses. Long term use of Adderall in medium to high doses is not good, and should only be done if recommended by your doctor. It has been very helpful for those with ADHD. However, there is a warning that if you have a family history of hear attack, that Adderall could cause it since Adderall has a strong effect on increasing blood pressure. So randomly taking Adderall because somebody said so could be dangerous. You need to talk to your doctor to better understand and know if Adderall is right for you and your body. Also things I found on the internet. - prong-longed use has the possibility of increasing aggression in youth? but I think thats low chance. - High potential for dependency/ addiction with prolonged use, especially if taken incorrectly. | ||
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dar0za
Canada74 Posts
this kind of stuff is more readily available than you'd think. if you're in canada you can buy a bottle of ephedrine for $4 at GNC that has 50 8mg tablets. all of these drugs unquestionably give an unfair advantage, as you can assume from the data available on stimulants, or from your own experiences you might have doing any activity on them (they give that shit to fighter pilots, ffs). i'm at a loss how it can be enforced aside from piss tests though. i guess everyone being aware of the potential problem is the first step. | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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x6Paramore
Canada130 Posts
On April 11 2011 18:11 Brett wrote: Bold part is horse shit. Has he actually admitted to taking something? Or are you just pulling this out of thin air? I'm not saying it's not in the realms of possibility, but there are other reasons why your pupils will dilate... I think mandatory drug tests would hurt e-sports at this stage... Also, I think if Naniwa won without a maphack, he won without cheating. I don't care if he had Razer's new Talon http://www.razerzone.com/talon with blood stream injected APM enhancers. This whole thread is utterly bullshit. Might as well ban hotkeys if you can't use caffeine to play SC2... gives players an edge if other can only use mouse... should also ban wide-screen monitors while we are at it. Maybe ban MBS (multi-building selection)... pretty much the same traction to your argument now... (just to make the game harder to work with and artificially increase skill ceiling) Personally, if anyone ever asked me to piss in a cup for e-sports, they might find themselves holding a cup full of shit 10 minutes later. I'm sure you can test faces just the same as urine  I'm not an advocate for steroids in track-and-field sports or any other physical sport for that matter. But banning energy drinks/ alert pills/caffeine pills/ attention deficit disorder helpers or anything that helps a player focus is just absurd. Besides, there has yet to be a pill invented that will increase your IQ. At the end of the day, SC2 is a strategy/IQ based game. If you outsmart your opponent, you will win more often and not against someone less smart. Getting lucky isn't a skill and eventually you'll get beat down anyways. That being said, all you SCBW players out there chanting Macro > Micro will understand this real well. Just b/c you can micro/macro your units faster won't win you games if you don't have the smarts to make the right units/buildings/production. Any pro can have 200APM easily, and that is already enough to macro perfectly if you use it effectively. Anything in excess is exactly that. This thread is trash. | ||
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T3tra
United States406 Posts
On April 06 2011 11:16 Sixto wrote: Does it bother you when people take proteins while working out as well? Or that people drink coffee to stay awake and study longer than possible under normal circumstances? | ||
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T3tra
United States406 Posts
On April 10 2011 17:16 XForce3 wrote: In the recent MLG Dallas recap video they just posted, they zoom into Naniwa as he's gearing up to play Kiwikaki in the finals and man, his pupils were DILATED as shit (in the video, around 43:40 after the Black Ops game). Looking at that, there's no way you can say that he wasn't on something at the time especially with how bright the lights are on that stage. He still played like a boss all tourney, but still you have to wonder how much of an edge it gave him. On April 11 2011 16:58 Washow wrote: Oh wow he's high as fuck Really? I don't even know what to say to this that hasn't been said already. It's astounding that people have no problem pulling an accusation like this out of thin air. Yeah, he totally must have been on something during his matches. I mean look at how crazy he acted during his interview. :|... | ||
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x6Paramore
Canada130 Posts
On April 11 2011 19:46 T3tra wrote: Or that people drink coffee to stay awake and study longer than possible under normal circumstances? Not fair? Should put an asterisk beside your name everywhere its printed saying you were born in a privileged country where you aren't surrounded by war and hunger and had the opportunity to go to school in the first place. Come to think of it, those Koreans wouldn't really be that good if they weren't paid to do what they do and spent hours and hours in their pro-houses playing a computer game instead of working to better society. I mean think about it... you go to a LAN tournament, with your x-amount of practice hours... paid for your own ticket... had to work at Starbucks for 5 hours every-other day and then BAM... some Korean rolls in with his fucking CJ Entus jacket and kills you dead b/c he spent all those extra hours training instead of part-timing coffee service. Should just ban anybody who didn't work part-time to get there. After all, how can you fairly compare yourself on the same scale? Here's the easier alternative though: you stay at home and post on this forum about how imba it is that other kids get better shit b/c of their unique circumstances. Clearly, nobody makes a legitimate means of success these days. / END GIANT SARCASTIC RANT Get real. | ||
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Thall
Switzerland214 Posts
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