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dar0za
Canada74 Posts
full article http://www.theblacksheeponline.com/article/572 9. Competitive Video Games: First Person Shooters are so ridiculously easy on Amphs. The advantage you gain from amphetamines in any fast-paced game is ridiculous. Pop an Addy while you're playing Starcraft 2, and in an hour your competitors will just assume you're Korean. the guy is half joking, but most of you guys downplaying amphetamines seriously have no idea how potent amphetamines are. comparing them to caffeine is laughable. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On April 11 2011 20:00 dar0za wrote: quote from a satirical article "Top 10: Things to Do on Amphetamines (Besides Study)" full article http://www.theblacksheeponline.com/article/572 the guy is half joking, but most of you guys downplaying amphetamines seriously have no idea how potent amphetamines are. comparing them to caffeine is laughable. haha wow, the way he describes amphs, I'm pretty sure what he means by "pop an addy" is to take enough to put you on the brink of hallucinating Amphetamines don't make you smarter rofl, you could empty half the bottle and read go through a book on quantum physics but you aren't going to understand any of it any better. That guy sounds like someone who has used Amphetamines for the first time in his life, where the high/buzz he gets from Amphetamines is as strong as ever and thinks he has gained some super power when at the end of the day the only thing that has changes for him is how focused he is when staying on task. That guy definitely sounds like a drug abuser, I bet he is one of those people who chomp down on adderall every few hours to keep the amphetamine high going | ||
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Dalbur
Belgium12 Posts
I personally take this kind of medication during exam periods and I don't see anything opossing their use. It's precisely because I myself use Rilatine (I think that's the equivalent to Adderal in Belgium, or atleast the effect is the same). If used in moderation, it is not unsafe for your health. These drugs are fairly easy to come by (in Belgium they are anyway), so anyone can have acces to them. Why I voted in favor of these drugs? Because we live in the 21st century and the world of today is all about preformance. As probably all of us, I see SC2 as a real sport. As probably all of us, I want to see above-par apm and sick micro in every match. I want to see sick multitasking. I want to see multiple harassements at once. I want to see the sweat on the players forhead because he is focusing so hard. I'd be willing to allow all players the use of these drugs in order to get more exciting matches. I feel that alot of sports fans are quite hypocrite about performance enchancing products. All the cycling fans want to see the cyclists go up 4000m high mountains 10 times a day, but all of the fans are against performance enchancing products. All the American football fans want huge clashes between two men that are as big as bears, but these fans are again against these products. We want to see tons of homeruns in Baseball, but are all astonished when the top batter tests postive on steroids... We want F1 races that last 90 rounds, but if it comes out that all the racers take Adderal/Rilatine we'd be disapointed. We want to see the 100 m ran in under 9 seconds, even when alot of scientists have already stated that it's anatomically impossible... We are demanding ALOT of top sportsmen. In the more physical sports, I am totally against products that enchance your muscles. But for a "thinking" game, i'd let the sportsmen themself decide if they are willing to take those products or not. If the players abuse the drugs, they will be the only ones that bear the consequences in their later health (i'm pretty sure taking Adderal constantly for a prolonged period of time without a necesary reason for doing so will be unhealthy on the long run), we during that time will have had exciting matches. Also forbidding these kind of drugs is just not possible. Would you decline a super talented ADHD patient the entrance to GSL just because he has a rilatine prescription? That's called discrimination and we all agree that E-sports is so great because it per definition doesn't disciriminate anybody from playing. Next, taking rilatine does not make you Jeadong in a heartbeat. You may be sharper, you may be more aware, but it will not improve your timings, your build order, tactics or mechanics. A 1v1 between two bronze guys on Adderal will still be a very ugly game. A 1v1 between two high master's on Adderal has a decent chance to turn into a game above master-standards. Let E-sports be the "newest" generation of sports, let there be a certain tollerance for this kind of drugs. Let us be pioneers! I am nearly convinced that in a generation or two (say 2050), these kind of "mind-drugs" will be distributed to kids as candy. Why not be the first sports to accept these drugs? First post on TL after alot of reading, sorry for my English  . | ||
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x89
United Kingdom276 Posts
Has there actually been a study into how much better you play when on adderall or ritalin? I'm fairly sure you'd be better, but by how much? I guess such a study wouldn't be easy though. | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On April 11 2011 20:00 dar0za wrote: the guy is half joking, but most of you guys downplaying amphetamines seriously have no idea how potent amphetamines are. comparing them to caffeine is laughable. This is only true during the first stages of using them, after awhile you will *need* them just to feel normal and you will need a higher and higher dosage to feel the desired kick. In the long run a healthy player will perform better. On the contrary I doubt you have any idea what they do to your body after long term consistent use. On April 11 2011 20:15 Dommk wrote: That guy sounds like someone who has used Amphetamines for the first time in his life, where the high/buzz he gets from Amphetamines is as strong as ever and thinks he has gained some super power when at the end of the day the only thing that has changes for him is how focused he is when staying on task. Exactly. | ||
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
I'm sorry to be blunt or dismissive but anyone who thinks that using drugs is a good thing for SC or any other sport is simply wrong. | ||
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tGFuRy
United States537 Posts
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EZmark
Canada31 Posts
I don't think any one is claiming they make you intelligent BUT they provide you the ability to focus which is a key factor in consistency in any game. my 2 cents... | ||
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strength
United States493 Posts
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On April 19 2011 03:08 strength wrote: I find it actually funny that players are taking these drugs for a computer game. None the less, its really bad for themselves and the game. Far more people are taking far worse drugs to stare at the wall in a shit apartment, it's not really surprising. | ||
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x89
United Kingdom276 Posts
On April 19 2011 03:08 strength wrote: I find it actually funny that players are taking these drugs for a computer game. None the less, its really bad for themselves and the game. People take stimulants for fun, what makes you think they'd not take them for fun AND a competitive game where it's improving their skill? That temptation raises a lot more when you're playing for money at a high level and when you care deeply for the game. | ||
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tGFuRy
United States537 Posts
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Neo.NEt
United States785 Posts
I'm at work so I can't do this now, but when I get home I'll open up sc2 gears and look at my apm/win ratios for my games on adderall vs. the games not on adderall (which will be very easy b/c it's worn off by the time I get home from work and all of my games on the weekends are when I'm on it). I can guarantee my apm is at least 20 or 30 higher and I would bet my win is going to be higher as well for those of you who want to argue that I'm just spamming faster, which I must say would be a good argument. | ||
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
Lol look at "International availability and legal status". | ||
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x89
United Kingdom276 Posts
On April 19 2011 03:23 Wrongspeedy wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall#Contraindications.2C_interactions.2C_and_precautions Lol look at "International availability and legal status". Link to the relevant section then. South Korea: Amphetamine-based medications are banned in South Korea. They cannot be obtained at a South Korean pharmacy and are illegal to import.[citation needed] Thailand: Amphetamine and dextroamphetamine are classified as Type 1 Narcotics. Interesting fact on South Korea, can anyone confirm that? | ||
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skipdog172
United States331 Posts
On April 06 2011 17:04 Ethic wrote: "Piss in this cup while we watch, if you don't your out of the league." His point is that there are ways to pass piss tests(clean kits, fake piss. clean piss...yes even while somebody is watching you. unless they are staring at your urethra, there are ways to make it look like you are peeing) while still being a regular user of the drug. | ||
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GertHeart
United States631 Posts
There are also other tricks to help focus your concentration, surprisingly starving yourself raises levels of concentration. But you would most likely suffer from other attributes due to being hungry such as slower movements. | ||
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TreDawg
41 Posts
On April 07 2011 08:30 Grumbels wrote: Huh, you're comparing illegal drugs that give a possible short-term concentration boost with practicing? How are the two even equivalent? First off, Adderral isn't illegal and a lot of performance enhancing substances like nootropics and vitamins aren't either. 2nd, the whole point of eliminating things like this is to remove an "unfair advantage" but why are drugs an unfair advantage and practice isn't? They both produce an advantage over someone who someone who doesn't utilize it. Why is one unfair and the other isn't? You also completely ignored the portion where I talk about diet and how it affects your mental and physical stamina. Is that an unfair advantage as well? Fatty foods are known to increase your ability to focus and concentrate. Some people, like vegetarians, don't get a lot of essential nutrients that can make their bodies inefficient and thus, worse at concentrating for long periods of time. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On April 19 2011 03:20 Neo.NEt wrote: I've never seen so many ignorant people in one thread...a lot of you are just disregarding this without even thinking about it b/c you think it sounds stupid. If you've never taken adderall, then your opinion on whether or not it makes you better at starcraft doesn't really matter. I'm at work so I can't do this now, but when I get home I'll open up sc2 gears and look at my apm/win ratios for my games on adderall vs. the games not on adderall (which will be very easy b/c it's worn off by the time I get home from work and all of my games on the weekends are when I'm on it). I can guarantee my apm is at least 20 or 30 higher and I would bet my win is going to be higher as well for those of you who want to argue that I'm just spamming faster, which I must say would be a good argument. That's not a legit comparison, at all. You are used to taking it and playing with it, of course you are going to play worse without it. Sounds like you even take it for work and on weekends which is a little extreme, so your body will be going through withdrawal (regardless of if you recognize this withdrawal or not) when you are not on it which is why you can't play as well. You have to compare a healthy person who does not used adderall at all to someone like yourself to get any objective result. It's like comparing a drunk person to the same person with a hangover and saying "see, I play better drunk!", though not as extreme. | ||
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