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MyNameIsAlex
Profile Joined March 2011
Greece827 Posts
March 30 2011 03:33 GMT
#161
EU seems down, reset incoming :D
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
March 30 2011 03:44 GMT
#162
Yay, did my placement and didn't get demoted.

/blog

Anyways, the level of play seems to be much much better than I remembered or many people took the opportunity to smurf
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
PtM
Profile Joined March 2011
89 Posts
March 30 2011 04:14 GMT
#163
On March 30 2011 10:53 whatthefat wrote:
Maybe I'm not thinking about this right, and if so somebody can help me. But it seems to me like the ladder reset could introduce some problems.

An example, let's take 2 people in diamond - before the reset, one of them was rank 1 and playing against high diamond and master level players, the other was rank 100 playing against high platinum and low diamond level players. Assuming they had both been playing at this level for a while, each of their MMRs should have equilibrated to their level of opposition, and so they each won as often as they lost, and on average only gained points due to bonus pool.

After the reset, MMRs aren't changed, so in theory they should still be playing roughly the same level of opposition. But now both players are starting from zero points. So for the ex-rank 1 player to keep up with the ex-rank 100 player, they now have to score as well against masters as the other guy is doing against high plat / low diamond.

At first I thought things should even back out to where they were over time, but it seems to me like this is a steady state. Whether it's stable or unstable I have no idea.

TL DR; All players have now been put on the same number of points and are matched only against opponents of approximately the same strength. How do players become differentiated?

This is an understandable concern, but the way points are awarded will avoid this issue. Basically, the points you earn for a win are based on your actual points versus the opponent's MMR. In other words, if your points are at 1000 and you're against a 1500 MMR opponent, you might get 16 points (ignore the specific numbers, they're just used for illustrative purposes). If you have 1000 points and you're against a 1000 MMR opponent, you might only get 10 points. Thus, now that players are back down to 0 points, the higher MMR players will gain points more quickly since they're playing against higher MMR opponents and thus gain more points per win (until their actual points converge to their MMR).
ffdestiny
Profile Joined September 2010
United States773 Posts
March 30 2011 04:20 GMT
#164
Reset happened, I won my placement match and got demoted. Time to climb from the gold league again, only to be stuck in plat forever! (I know, I'm just not good enough).
ChaseR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Norway1004 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 04:34:51
March 30 2011 04:29 GMT
#165
This season 1v1 22-5 into Diamond then 23-6 into Master :/ after this reset probably the 1 placement game will put me into Diamond/Master then I'll lose like 30 games against top players and get demoted into Platinum/Diamond xD
Life is not Fucking Fair and Society is not Fucking Logical - "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
Floobie
Profile Joined February 2011
England296 Posts
March 30 2011 05:01 GMT
#166
Well its 6am for me in Europe and the Ladder has been reset, just played my placement match.
whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
March 30 2011 05:02 GMT
#167
On March 30 2011 13:14 PtM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 10:53 whatthefat wrote:
Maybe I'm not thinking about this right, and if so somebody can help me. But it seems to me like the ladder reset could introduce some problems.

An example, let's take 2 people in diamond - before the reset, one of them was rank 1 and playing against high diamond and master level players, the other was rank 100 playing against high platinum and low diamond level players. Assuming they had both been playing at this level for a while, each of their MMRs should have equilibrated to their level of opposition, and so they each won as often as they lost, and on average only gained points due to bonus pool.

After the reset, MMRs aren't changed, so in theory they should still be playing roughly the same level of opposition. But now both players are starting from zero points. So for the ex-rank 1 player to keep up with the ex-rank 100 player, they now have to score as well against masters as the other guy is doing against high plat / low diamond.

At first I thought things should even back out to where they were over time, but it seems to me like this is a steady state. Whether it's stable or unstable I have no idea.

TL DR; All players have now been put on the same number of points and are matched only against opponents of approximately the same strength. How do players become differentiated?

This is an understandable concern, but the way points are awarded will avoid this issue. Basically, the points you earn for a win are based on your actual points versus the opponent's MMR. In other words, if your points are at 1000 and you're against a 1500 MMR opponent, you might get 16 points (ignore the specific numbers, they're just used for illustrative purposes). If you have 1000 points and you're against a 1000 MMR opponent, you might only get 10 points. Thus, now that players are back down to 0 points, the higher MMR players will gain points more quickly since they're playing against higher MMR opponents and thus gain more points per win (until their actual points converge to their MMR).


Aha, good point. Thanks.
SlayerS_BoxeR: "I always feel sorry towards Greg (Grack?) T_T"
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
March 30 2011 07:48 GMT
#168
EU ladder has been reset and Season 2 is up and running.
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
March 30 2011 09:17 GMT
#169
Am i the only one disappointed with the "last season" features? you have to crawl through a bunch of subfolders and then go through each and every single team you're on just so you can see where you ended up the last season. Am i missing something or is it actually going to be like that?

I was kind of hoping that they would be going for something like what ICCUP had, like a brief summary of your ranks/division during the earlier seasons.

It's going to be extremely tedious the way it is now, especially once we get through a couple of seasons.
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ciaNo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Italy123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 09:22:30
March 30 2011 09:20 GMT
#170
I think the "skill measure based on points" will be completely different this season.

I dont think u can get to 4k points by playing the same guys u played in the last season 1 games from the very first games and u dont have the bonus pool to back u up (if u're active).
Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
March 30 2011 09:25 GMT
#171
On March 30 2011 18:20 ciaNo wrote:
I think the "skill measure based on points" will be completely different this season.

I dont think u can get to 4k points by playing the same guys u played in the last season 1 games from the very first games and u dont have the bonus pool to back u up (if u're active).


I hope it is comparable every season so you end up around 4kish at the end of the season and they stop bonus pool at the exact same amount of time, so you can actually compare your different season results
ciaNo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Italy123 Posts
March 30 2011 10:06 GMT
#172
Nevermind it, high MMR players (namely the top 200s) lose like 1 point per game if they lose and win 25+ points.
whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
March 30 2011 14:02 GMT
#173
On March 30 2011 18:17 grobo wrote:
Am i the only one disappointed with the "last season" features? you have to crawl through a bunch of subfolders and then go through each and every single team you're on just so you can see where you ended up the last season. Am i missing something or is it actually going to be like that?

I was kind of hoping that they would be going for something like what ICCUP had, like a brief summary of your ranks/division during the earlier seasons.

It's going to be extremely tedious the way it is now, especially once we get through a couple of seasons.


Agreed, I was hoping for a quick overview page, maybe just showing the season rank symbols.
SlayerS_BoxeR: "I always feel sorry towards Greg (Grack?) T_T"
Sockpuppet
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
119 Posts
March 30 2011 14:06 GMT
#174
Woo!! Got promoted off my placement math
ook4mi
Profile Joined January 2011
France5 Posts
March 30 2011 14:11 GMT
#175
It looks pretty good, just bad news no "grand master" yet we have to wait... Hope see french player go to "Grand Master" i'm also impatient to see if the arrived of this news ladder will change the level in diamand... Gl Hf !
mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
April 01 2011 01:37 GMT
#176
On March 30 2011 18:17 grobo wrote:
Am i the only one disappointed with the "last season" features? you have to crawl through a bunch of subfolders and then go through each and every single team you're on just so you can see where you ended up the last season. Am i missing something or is it actually going to be like that?

I was kind of hoping that they would be going for something like what ICCUP had, like a brief summary of your ranks/division during the earlier seasons.

It's going to be extremely tedious the way it is now, especially once we get through a couple of seasons.

Agreed. It takes just too many clicks to see last season record, and nothing is even showed on my profile screen - makes I feel like all my effort has been suddenly erased. Quite demotivating.
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