Ladder reset info - Page 9

On March 30 2011 10:53 whatthefat wrote:
Maybe I'm not thinking about this right, and if so somebody can help me. But it seems to me like the ladder reset could introduce some problems.

An example, let's take 2 people in diamond - before the reset, one of them was rank 1 and playing against high diamond and master level players, the other was rank 100 playing against high platinum and low diamond level players. Assuming they had both been playing at this level for a while, each of their MMRs should have equilibrated to their level of opposition, and so they each won as often as they lost, and on average only gained points due to bonus pool.

After the reset, MMRs aren't changed, so in theory they should still be playing roughly the same level of opposition. But now both players are starting from zero points. So for the ex-rank 1 player to keep up with the ex-rank 100 player, they now have to score as well against masters as the other guy is doing against high plat / low diamond.

At first I thought things should even back out to where they were over time, but it seems to me like this is a steady state. Whether it's stable or unstable I have no idea.

TL DR; All players have now been put on the same number of points and are matched only against opponents of approximately the same strength. How do players become differentiated?

On March 30 2011 13:14 PtM wrote:

This is an understandable concern, but the way points are awarded will avoid this issue. Basically, the points you earn for a win are based on your actual points versus the opponent's MMR. In other words, if your points are at 1000 and you're against a 1500 MMR opponent, you might get 16 points (ignore the specific numbers, they're just used for illustrative purposes). If you have 1000 points and you're against a 1000 MMR opponent, you might only get 10 points. Thus, now that players are back down to 0 points, the higher MMR players will gain points more quickly since they're playing against higher MMR opponents and thus gain more points per win (until their actual points converge to their MMR).

On March 30 2011 18:20 ciaNo wrote:
I think the "skill measure based on points" will be completely different this season.

I dont think u can get to 4k points by playing the same guys u played in the last season 1 games from the very first games and u dont have the bonus pool to back u up (if u're active).

On March 30 2011 18:17 grobo wrote:
Am i the only one disappointed with the "last season" features? you have to crawl through a bunch of subfolders and then go through each and every single team you're on just so you can see where you ended up the last season. Am i missing something or is it actually going to be like that?

I was kind of hoping that they would be going for something like what ICCUP had, like a brief summary of your ranks/division during the earlier seasons.

It's going to be extremely tedious the way it is now, especially once we get through a couple of seasons.

On March 30 2011 18:17 grobo wrote:
Am i the only one disappointed with the "last season" features? you have to crawl through a bunch of subfolders and then go through each and every single team you're on just so you can see where you ended up the last season. Am i missing something or is it actually going to be like that?

I was kind of hoping that they would be going for something like what ICCUP had, like a brief summary of your ranks/division during the earlier seasons.

It's going to be extremely tedious the way it is now, especially once we get through a couple of seasons.