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Deleted User 61629
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Philip2110
Scotland798 Posts
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Unreg
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Deleted User 61629
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sP4CeM4N
Germany39 Posts
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seph`
Austria329 Posts
On March 29 2011 22:36 Philip2110 wrote: Does anyone know wether Eu is getting reset today or tomorrow? wanted to ask the same, i think its tomorrow in the morning but not sure ! | ||
hpTheGreat
United States173 Posts
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Kar98
Australia924 Posts
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PraetorianX
Sweden780 Posts
But today I was gonna rock the Season 2 ladder! Feels so pointless to ladder with a reset coming up in less than 24h. Guess I'll have to play Shogun 2 tonight. | ||
xrayEU
Sweden571 Posts
On March 29 2011 22:38 seph` wrote: wanted to ask the same, i think its tomorrow in the morning but not sure ! I think blizzard have the same schedule's for both sc2 and wow and the maintenance is always on Tuesday for US and Wednesday for EU, so probably the same with sc2 | ||
Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
Thanks for help! | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13372 Posts
On March 29 2011 22:46 eYeball wrote: Is it wise to spend my bonuspool? I have about 300 left. Or doesnt it really matter since only thing thats going to be changed is my MMR? Thanks for help! you might get a gold star finishing in the top 8 if you are lucky its cool looking lol | ||
reneg
United States859 Posts
On March 29 2011 22:46 eYeball wrote: Is it wise to spend my bonuspool? I have about 300 left. Or doesnt it really matter since only thing thats going to be changed is my MMR? Thanks for help! i mean, spend it if you feel like playing...if you don't feel like playing, chances are you aren't right on the cusp of getting top 8 (and with only 300 left, you should probably be pretty high up there already, if not in masters), so basically the way i'm looking at it is this: Play if you feel like it, otherwise just wait til tomorrow so you can start winning in the new season. or if you're trying to go for a last little milestone, (i was pushing for 100 wins, but ended up just getting sleepy and going to bed) | ||
Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
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Deleted User 61629
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ShadowLegacy
Canada55 Posts
On March 29 2011 22:57 Jiddra wrote: 1) So new players with like 2000 in bonus will be faced with 0 in bonus tomorrow? Sounds kind of strange. How is that strange ? A new season means EVERYONE is reset to 0. If people had huge bonus pools it just means they didn't ladder all too often and it will most likely happen again where are the end of the season they will have a larger than average pool. | ||
SzaszaG
Hungary120 Posts
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Deleted User 61629
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solistus
United States172 Posts
On March 29 2011 22:57 Jiddra wrote: 1) So new players with like 2000 in bonus will be faced with 0 in bonus tomorrow? Sounds kind of strange. Why is that strange? Bonus pools exist to encourage more active play, not to encourage players to stop playing at the end of the season and save up bonus so they can have an advantage over everyone else in the new season. That would be an atrocious system. | ||
resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
Im in a kind of close position to stay top 8, and not feeling well today - so want to get away with minimum games to cover myself, and certainly dont want to be playing through to 5am or something to secure it >_< | ||
zende
Sweden234 Posts
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Ignorant prodigy
United States385 Posts
I made it.. but now I gotta be worried about dropping out of the top 8.. looks like I have another night of starcraft ahead of me.. much to the shigrin of my wife I'm sure | ||
syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On March 29 2011 23:11 solistus wrote: Why is that strange? Bonus pools exist to encourage more active play, not to encourage players to stop playing at the end of the season and save up bonus so they can have an advantage over everyone else in the new season. That would be an atrocious system. A new player starting in the wrong time is punished, or am I missing something? Why have bonus for new players at all? Hon encouraged is the new player that gets his whole bonus pool reset to 0 before even being able to use it? | ||
resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
On March 29 2011 23:13 zende wrote: So the higher MMR you have, do you get more points for each win? Like the top player should be getting lots of points in the beginning of the season while the lower players get less? Otherwise the players who play the most in these two weeks will get GM, not the best players.. Well MMR carries over from s1 - so the guys at the very top of masters right now, will be placed back into masters in s2 and therefore be in a great position to push for GM league 2 weeks in. | ||
Silmakuoppaanikinko
799 Posts
On March 29 2011 23:17 Jiddra wrote: Your score is also reset, by the way your points and all that.A new player starting in the wrong time is punished, or am I missing something? Why have bonus for new players at all? Hon encouraged is the new player that gets his whole bonus pool reset to 0 before even being able to use it? | ||
vat0s
France14 Posts
On March 29 2011 23:12 resilve wrote: So is there antime that is the basis for when ladder placement is frozen for s1 (EU)? Will there be downtime at 3am till 11am or something? Im in a kind of close position to stay top 8, and not feeling well today - so want to get away with minimum games to cover myself, and certainly dont want to be playing through to 5am or something to secure it >_< what does it change in season 2 being top 8 in season 1 ? | ||
gruntrush
Canada134 Posts
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On March 29 2011 23:20 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote: Your score is also reset, by the way your points and all that. But a new player starting after the reset will get a huge bonus pool, while the new player that started 1 day before him has 0? | ||
diLLa
Netherlands247 Posts
On March 29 2011 23:23 Jiddra wrote: But a new player starting after the reset will get a huge bonus pool, while the new player that started 1 day before him has 0? ?? you don't get it do you.. EVERYONE has the reset of points and bonus pool, and EVERYONE will continue to build up the pool after the reset. | ||
resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
On March 29 2011 23:21 vat0s wrote: what does it change in season 2 being top 8 in season 1 ? Nothing at all of importance, but in season 2 you get to keep the reward of where you finished season 1 (so top 8, top 24 etc) in a little "trophy cabinet" of your profile, afaik? | ||
Dark-Storm
Canada334 Posts
I thought the ladder points were gonna be reset as well | ||
revy
United States1524 Posts
On March 29 2011 23:16 syllogism wrote: Since a lot of inactive players will be "purged" as they won't play their placement matches, will some players have to be demoted to maintain the ratio between the leagues? No the leagues are determined from the ACTIVE pool. Suppose we have 100 players. 2 masters, 18 diamond, 20 plat, .... and half of each division goes inactive. We have active 1 master, 9 diamond, 10 plat, .. so on and so forth but in the divisions we still have 2/18/20/20.... because the inactive players will show up. Now imagine we get 50 new people who are all strictly worse than the lowest player. We again have 100 active players. The tops of each division will get moved on up the chain. The number of active players in each division will still be 2/18/20/20... but the active+inactive number in each division will be 3 (2 active 1 inactive)/ 27 (18 active 9 inactive)/ and so on. The only way for people to get mass demotions are for all of the inactive players to come back to activity, if this were to happen the lowest 1/9/10/10/10... players would be demoted down. I suppose it's possible that there will be increased activity from previously inactive players because of the reset and as a result there will be some demotions but it is not as bad as if blizzard made the league cutoffs based on active+inactive membership. | ||
Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On March 29 2011 23:25 diLLa wrote: ?? you don't get it do you.. EVERYONE has the reset of points and bonus pool, and EVERYONE will continue to build up the pool after the reset. And? You mean that new players that start after the reset will not get huge bonuspools, like before the reset? | ||
revy
United States1524 Posts
On March 29 2011 23:34 Jiddra wrote: And? You mean that new players that start after the reset will not get huge bonuspools, like before the reset? No they will get bonus pool points counting from today onwards not from release to today. | ||
RudePlague
Great Britain113 Posts
On March 29 2011 23:34 Jiddra wrote: And? You mean that new players that start after the reset will not get huge bonuspools, like before the reset? Everyone has the same total (spent+unspent) bonus pool, it's based on time since the last ladder reset (or start of the ladder for season 1). So it resets to zero for everyone. The reason new players were getting huge bonus pools recently was because the overall bonus pool had built up before they had joined. Nobody will be disadvantaged by the reset. | ||
Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On March 29 2011 23:36 revy wrote: No they will get bonus pool points counting from today onwards not from release to today. Gracia! So bonuspool is calculated from ladderstart to when players enter the ladder, then it all makes sense. | ||
vat0s
France14 Posts
On March 29 2011 23:26 resilve wrote: Nothing at all of importance, but in season 2 you get to keep the reward of where you finished season 1 (so top 8, top 24 etc) in a little "trophy cabinet" of your profile, afaik? oh ok its pretty much useless then, i thought i'd win a new icon or something :p | ||
Vizzle
Germany2 Posts
soory that i have to ask but i never thought about the bonuspool ( not playing that much) what will change for a casual player like me after the reset? | ||
Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
If someone ever wants to switch races they're pretty much not allowed to without losing 100 games as the new race first, thats such aw aste of time. | ||
pRo9aMeR
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BGrael
Germany229 Posts
On March 29 2011 23:16 syllogism wrote: Since a lot of inactive players will be "purged" as they won't play their placement matches, will some players have to be demoted to maintain the ratio between the leagues? Thats what I'm thinking too. At least 10% of every League up to Platinum are inactive, so these players will not play their placement matches. However, pretty mutch all Masters players are active (otherwise they wouldn't be there, since it is new). Now, if 10% of all players drop out, and masters is supposed to be top 2%, there are more people in masters now than there will be in 2 weeks. | ||
Alaz
108 Posts
Bonus pool goes to 0 and if you stop playing again after reset, you get bonus points. NOTHING changes. A brand new player will still do 5 placement matches. A player pre reset does 1 and gets same MMR(usually) division. So there is no advantage or disadvantage against new players. They'll still get fit into their skill level. | ||
nb3221a
United States35 Posts
Oh, and two questions, It used to be you could place no higher then platinum in placement matches. I assume this is not the case for pre-reset players, but nowadays can players who join after reset place into a league above platinum, and if so, what league? | ||
br0fivE
Canada349 Posts
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Striker.superfreunde
Germany1117 Posts
On March 29 2011 23:48 Vizzle wrote: so i still dont understand what he bonuspool is for?! soory that i have to ask but i never thought about the bonuspool ( not playing that much) what will change for a casual player like me after the reset? You won't get that bad feeling if you see that you are only facing opponents with 8000+ points, while u stuck arround 1000+. :p | ||
siri
Portugal129 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12180 Posts
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Rumeye
Romania17 Posts
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Jeffbelittle
United States468 Posts
I had an MMR of that of maybe a 2800 diamond player. If I win OR lose my placement match, is there a possibility I'll qualify masters? | ||
Drunkasarous
United States96 Posts
On March 30 2011 00:25 Jeffbelittle wrote: I have a question. I had an MMR of that of maybe a 2800 diamond player. If I win OR lose my placement match, is there a possibility I'll qualify masters? I dont think so because at the end of all things in season one top diamond players were like 3500 It depends though | ||
Jeffbelittle
United States468 Posts
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On March 30 2011 00:33 Jeffbelittle wrote: But is there a POSSIBILITY to qualify masters league if you weren't already I guess is what I'm saying Yes, one can get promoted or demoted, a lot of people will, especially high silver -> gold, high gold -> platinum, high platinum -> diamond. | ||
Thynar
Australia27 Posts
On March 30 2011 00:25 Jeffbelittle wrote: I have a question. I had an MMR of that of maybe a 2800 diamond player. If I win OR lose my placement match, is there a possibility I'll qualify masters? I was in top diamond before the reset and after my placement game I was put into masters, so yes, you can be promoted into masters, or demoted into platinum. | ||
soulzz
39 Posts
i was 1200 diamond with 2k bonus poll after reset. played 1 placement and got promoted to master | ||
harDmug
United Kingdom116 Posts
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On March 30 2011 00:49 harDmug wrote: I swear EU hasn't been reset yet?.. It's just like patch day, Sea -> NA/LA -> europe/russia -> Korea -> taiwan etc | ||
SzaszaG
Hungary120 Posts
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
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harDmug
United Kingdom116 Posts
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PJFrylar
United States350 Posts
On March 30 2011 00:52 SzaszaG wrote: Have the Achievements for winning 500/1000 games been Cleared ? On March 29 2011 22:35 The OP wrote: 2.) Win counts towards achievements like 1000 wins didn't reset. My gut says no. I think it will be interesting to see what happens with the reset. I haven't really had time to get into 1v1 since October. I've been spending what little time I've had playing team games with friends since then. I should have time to get back into it now - I imagine I'm going to tank right off the bat though. I'll be worse and a possibility of people around my MMR being better probably won't bode well for me. | ||
maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
Having a full fresh start for everyone seems more useful to me. | ||
Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
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hoop1
Spain242 Posts
On March 30 2011 01:15 Sewi wrote: So bonus pool ist going to be 0 for everyone. But at what points do we start again? 0, too? Or something complicated like it was after masterleague was invented? same here, 0 points? | ||
ShadowLegacy
Canada55 Posts
Bonus pool will go from 0 to end of the season.... | ||
Cofo
United States1388 Posts
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maskseller
96 Posts
On March 30 2011 01:02 maartendq wrote: Just a thought but wouldn't it be better if everything was cleared, including MMR? It's really kind of pointless to reset a ladder that way. Everyone's going to be in their same league again anyway, the only that changes is that people have to earn their points again. Having a full fresh start for everyone seems more useful to me. mmr is more accurate the more games you have, what's the point on reseting it? It's a new season, nothing else. On the other hand, a full reset should be optional so people can switch races but doesn't seem likely. | ||
resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
On March 30 2011 00:55 SDream wrote: SEA, NA and LA are on seasion 2, confirmed. So... any idea when EU will get it? And when the counting for finishing positions in season 1 will happen? | ||
SDream
Brazil896 Posts
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Valckrie
United Kingdom533 Posts
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R3N
740 Posts
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flyingbangus
United States121 Posts
Losing to helion harass into Banshee harass into more helion harass into getting roflstomped by MMM+Helions+Banshee.......not so sweet. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32244 Posts
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Grummler
Germany743 Posts
On March 30 2011 01:47 R3N wrote: Placement matches are ofc 5 games right? Not 1?!? Its one. | ||
Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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Blamajama
156 Posts
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A-p-p-l-e-s
Canada314 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
On March 30 2011 02:01 GreEny K wrote: I thought that GM league was determined by the previous' seasons state... Lol, maybe I can get into it if I can find some ladder time! under the presumption that GM isnt out for 2 more weeks... can anyone confirm/deny? | ||
Kyamo
Canada129 Posts
On March 30 2011 01:53 Zlasher wrote: I just threw 49 games +1 placement game, I'm 0-50 and I'm STILL masters league T.T I was about 100-35 before ladder reset. This is ridiculous, SC2 needs a freaking account wipe button so I can just reset If they made it that easy, people would use it all the time so that they could stomp all over lower level players for fun and to farm portraits. Lower level players wouldn't be able to get fair games. It sounds like a bad idea to me. | ||
Kyamo
Canada129 Posts
On March 30 2011 02:04 RyanRushia wrote: under the presumption that GM isnt out for 2 more weeks... can anyone confirm/deny? Yep, after 2 weeks of new season. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/2452060#blog | ||
FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
On March 30 2011 02:19 FinestHour wrote: So can you get demoted from a league because of inactivity? Cuz I really dont wanna play team games but I like having 4/4 masters...its pretty No your MMR will stay the same regardless if you are active or inactive. You should be placed in the exact same league. | ||
thepotatoman
United States73 Posts
On March 30 2011 01:53 Zlasher wrote: I just threw 49 games +1 placement game, I'm 0-50 and I'm STILL masters league T.T I was about 100-35 before ladder reset. This is ridiculous, SC2 needs a freaking account wipe button so I can just reset Why? So people can more easily beat up on people that are way worse then them, making the game inaccessible to anyone trying to learn the game? I wouldn't be completely adverse to a separate leagues based of race, but even that opens a lot of area for abuse where some people will have their noob bashing race kept separate from their serious race. Oh and you have to win to be demoted, just like you have to lose to be promoted | ||
IPA
United States3206 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On March 30 2011 02:04 RyanRushia wrote: under the presumption that GM isnt out for 2 more weeks... can anyone confirm/deny? I guess it would make sense to use the new statistics, but that would allow people to just mass games in 2 weeks to get to the top, no? I somehow think they will use the new seasons stats. | ||
teser
United States156 Posts
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fluz
Canada21 Posts
On March 30 2011 01:55 Blamajama wrote: Wtf man... what happened to all my point. Bnet ****ed us over good. All those hours wasted. Might as well uninstall since they will probably reset every year. season 2 has been expecting to come with a wipe for a week | ||
fluz
Canada21 Posts
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Lingy
England201 Posts
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te3l
Canada126 Posts
On March 30 2011 01:53 Zlasher wrote: I just threw 49 games +1 placement game, I'm 0-50 and I'm STILL masters league T.T I was about 100-35 before ladder reset. This is ridiculous, SC2 needs a freaking account wipe button so I can just reset There is a account wipe button, its the "Buy Starcraft 2" button In all fairness they prevent you from wiping ur account for no legit reason because they dont want you to ruin some bronze leaguers but i also don't see how this reset is useful except to get rid of the people that dont play anymore | ||
tw!tch
United States563 Posts
On March 30 2011 01:55 Blamajama wrote: Wtf man... what happened to all my point. Bnet ****ed us over good. All those hours wasted. Might as well uninstall since they will probably reset every year. relax, points don't mean anything anyway. your MMR stays the same, and you will still get matched up with similarly skilled players. | ||
resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
On March 30 2011 02:14 Kyamo wrote: If they made it that easy, people would use it all the time so that they could stomp all over lower level players for fun and to farm portraits. Lower level players wouldn't be able to get fair games. It sounds like a bad idea to me. I dont actually know it for a fact - but didn't I read somewhere a blizzard poster talking about how MMR changes relate to how you do in relation to your opponent? If you instantly quit a match to throw it, I think it detects that a very different set of circumstances occured than you played a 25 min game and just lost - and reflects that in the MMR change. I cant prove that tho, it is just a memory. | ||
MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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GertHeart
United States631 Posts
On March 30 2011 02:55 te3l wrote: There is a account wipe button, its the "Buy Starcraft 2" button In all fairness they prevent you from wiping ur account for no legit reason because they dont want you to ruin some bronze leaguers but i also don't see how this reset is useful except to get rid of the people that dont play anymore I find this reason odd only because I played WoW and like everyone in WoW I killed and hunted newbs for fun sometimes. Then again I solo farmed World PVP kills too =) I think I quit WoW with 40,000+ kills (Including BG's World kills I think were about 2k+) It only counts honorable kills of course. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12180 Posts
On March 30 2011 02:59 resilve wrote: I dont actually know it for a fact - but didn't I read somewhere a blizzard poster talking about how MMR changes relate to how you do in relation to your opponent? If you instantly quit a match to throw it, I think it detects that a very different set of circumstances occured than you played a 25 min game and just lost - and reflects that in the MMR change. I cant prove that tho, it is just a memory. Nope. | ||
Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On March 30 2011 02:55 te3l wrote: There is a account wipe button, its the "Buy Starcraft 2" button In all fairness they prevent you from wiping ur account for no legit reason because they dont want you to ruin some bronze leaguers but i also don't see how this reset is useful except to get rid of the people that dont play anymore Yeah no shit but that doesn't make it any less stupid of a reason. Doing this makes it so you can never really change races effectively or try out any sort of builds in a ladder setting without spending 50 bucks. | ||
UnholyRai
720 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On March 30 2011 03:12 Excalibur_Z wrote: Nope. I have sometimes seen matches that end instantly show up in my record as a "tie." I think this might only occur with custom matches, but that might be the source of confusion on this. | ||
Fro5tByt3
United States2 Posts
I was 18 bronze last week. After watching some Day9 Daily and learning some stuff, I ended up rank 5 for last season. I played my placement match and destroyed a zerg with some 4gate/transition to voids and phoenix queen harass (learned from Day9, also). Now I'm bronze again (68?). This doesn't make sense to me, even after reading this whole thread. When will I be promoted? | ||
GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On March 30 2011 03:05 GertHeart wrote: I find this reason odd only because I played WoW and like everyone in WoW I killed and hunted newbs for fun sometimes. Then again I solo farmed World PVP kills too =) I think I quit WoW with 40,000+ kills (Including BG's World kills I think were about 2k+) It only counts honorable kills of course. That's a cool story but this is SC2... A different game. In CS some servers you type in /resetscore and you get a fresh 0-0... But that's neither here nor there. | ||
Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 30 2011 03:19 Zlasher wrote: Yeah no shit but that doesn't make it any less stupid of a reason. Doing this makes it so you can never really change races effectively or try out any sort of builds in a ladder setting without spending 50 bucks. Just play the new race and win or lose. I don't get why you are trying to do this.... | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12180 Posts
On March 30 2011 03:46 Fro5tByt3 wrote: I guess I don't really understand the MMR - I was 18 bronze last week. After watching some Day9 Daily and learning some stuff, I ended up rank 5 for last season. I played my placement match and destroyed a zerg with some 4gate/transition to voids and phoenix queen harass (learned from Day9, also). Now I'm bronze again (68?). This doesn't make sense to me, even after reading this whole thread. When will I be promoted? What's there to understand? Your division rank is decided by points and everyone's points were reset to zero. So, get more points to improve your division rank. | ||
Fro5tByt3
United States2 Posts
What's the point of a placement match if, when you win, you don't get a promotion? | ||
EnderDC
United States7 Posts
On March 30 2011 04:01 Fro5tByt3 wrote: I guess I was expecting a promotion for winning my placement match. What's the point of a placement match if, when you win, you don't get a promotion? The placement match at the beginning of season 2 is sort of a formality, your league is still based on the hidden behind-the-scenes MMR rating that carries over from last season. You'll get promoted when Battle.net thinks you've stabilized; it can happen anytime. As has been said, your rank in the division will go up as you earn points - but just keep winning and you'll be in Silver before long. | ||
Westy
England808 Posts
Should I be promoted after the reset? | ||
Crackensan
United States479 Posts
Remember there are certainly some terrible Master/Diamon level players out there that have 1 build, and cannot adjust, strategize well. (Piqliq, CombatEX, ect....) | ||
Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On March 30 2011 03:46 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Just play the new race and win or lose. I don't get why you are trying to do this.... You're the CEO over a server where 99% of people never used their real name when laddering, and every famous player ever made smurfs to practice new builds and refine play with people their level when trying out new stuff. You really don't get it? | ||
laLAlA[uC]
Canada963 Posts
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:09 laLAlA[uC] wrote: It's now possible to be placed in Master via the 5 placement match method. Meaning that if you get initially placed in diamond after 1 game, you can get promoted again after doing well in the subsequent 4? | ||
tensionz
United States130 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On March 30 2011 03:46 Fro5tByt3 wrote: I guess I don't really understand the MMR - I was 18 bronze last week. After watching some Day9 Daily and learning some stuff, I ended up rank 5 for last season. I played my placement match and destroyed a zerg with some 4gate/transition to voids and phoenix queen harass (learned from Day9, also). Now I'm bronze again (68?). This doesn't make sense to me, even after reading this whole thread. Especially in Bronze, but also in Silver-Platinum, activity (and thus using up bonus points) was most of what got the top players in divisions to the top of the list. So, what's happened is that the top 5-10 players of every division, the ones who are still playing, are being skimmed off the top and reorganized into new divisions full of active players who have played their one placement match. Going from #5 to #68 is perfectly normal, because the vast majority of those 95 people who were below you aren't going to be playing their one placement match, ever. | ||
Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 30 2011 05:52 Zlasher wrote: You're the CEO over a server where 99% of people never used their real name when laddering, and every famous player ever made smurfs to practice new builds and refine play with people their level when trying out new stuff. You really don't get it? Actually I just run iCCup TV. Not iCCup. Like I SO wish there was an option to have separate ladder rankings/mmr per race like anyone but at this point it's not here. I was always against /clearstats as it just made the lower leagues hell. So instead of wasting time throwing 50 games, why not play the 50, lose most of them presumably but learn very quickly and have GREAT replays to highlight your holes with the race. I know you and I assume you are decent enough to grasp the basics of the race right away. It's not like you're going to pick Zerg (no idea what you are right now), and go "huh whats the flying blobs things. Oh, they seem to be called Overlords, wonder what they do?" No, as much of a fan as you are you will know basic builds, race specific strategies and micro tricks, current metagame info for all MU's, and much much more. Having those replays or high level players abusing you will show you the specific points you need to work on. | ||
DemiAlbedo
Canada69 Posts
Meaning that if you get initially placed in diamond after 1 game, you can get promoted again after doing well in the subsequent 4? I do not believe so. If you played Starcraft 2 from session one you only have to play one placement match and you are immediately placed within a division. If you are a new Starcraft 2 player you still have to play 5 placement matches in order for the system to determine where you should be placed. I believe what the other gentlemen was referring to is that new players can get placed into masters immediately if they do well on their 5 placement matches ( I don't know if that is true or not). I believe back in Session one you could only get promoted straight to platinum, but not diamond even if you won all 5 placement matches. | ||
Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:15 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Actually I just run iCCup TV. Not iCCup. Like I SO wish there was an option to have separate ladder rankings/mmr per race like anyone but at this point it's not here. I was always against /clearstats as it just made the lower leagues hell. So instead of wasting time throwing 50 games, why not play the 50, lose most of them presumably but learn very quickly and have GREAT replays to highlight your holes with the race. I know you and I assume you are decent enough to grasp the basics of the race right away. It's not like you're going to pick Zerg (no idea what you are right now), and go "huh whats the flying blobs things. Oh, they seem to be called Overlords, wonder what they do?" No, as much of a fan as you are you will know basic builds, race specific strategies and micro tricks, current metagame info for all MU's, and much much more. Having those replays or high level players abusing you will show you the specific points you need to work on. Yeah, well heres my problem is that it took me like 4 months to get from originally copper league to diamond league. I can't imagine I'll be able to magically pick up Protoss and get everything down in time, instead I'm just going to move to a level where i feel comfortable 1) Nuke rushing, mass ravens, mass hellions, BC rush's 2) Can still play Protoss and win. Not gonna lie, I like winning, and I like just playing at 35 APM once in a while but still winning, instead of actually having to go 100 apm and executing the same plays over and over again just to scrap out a 50% win rate, because quite frankly its just not fun. | ||
Westy
England808 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:26 Zlasher wrote: Yeah, well heres my problem is that it took me like 4 months to get from originally copper league to diamond league. I can't imagine I'll be able to magically pick up Protoss and get everything down in time, instead I'm just going to move to a level where i feel comfortable 1) Nuke rushing, mass ravens, mass hellions, BC rush's 2) Can still play Protoss and win. Not gonna lie, I like winning, and I like just playing at 35 APM once in a while but still winning, instead of actually having to go 100 apm and executing the same plays over and over again just to scrap out a 50% win rate, because quite frankly its just not fun. Did you know you can join custom games? Just join a open 1v1 game, 90% of the time its bronze level players. | ||
Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:30 Westy wrote: Did you know you can join custom games? Just join a open 1v1 game, 90% of the time its bronze level players. haha I didn't know this. get ready to be stomped you bronze fucks. nah I'll still give them the win after I nuke them 50 times, I'm nice like that. | ||
Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
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ChewbroCColi
Denmark108 Posts
Does anyone know if its mmr based or top 200 points based? Would be nice to know. | ||
ranshaked
United States870 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:38 Badfatpanda wrote: Just played with a friend and got placed 2v2 gold still...too bad the team we beat was diamond and it's all we ever play against =/. I will never grasp the blizz mm system. I was demoted from rank 1 gold to rank 86 silver lolol after playing a platinum player. And after being rank 1 gold for over 2 months. | ||
dukem
Norway189 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:39 ChewbroCColi wrote: " I'm assuming it will be filled with top200 players, based on MMR, 2 weeks from now." Does anyone know if its mmr based or top 200 points based? Would be nice to know. MMR. | ||
ArYeS
Slovenia268 Posts
Is that true? Does that mean, that if 50% people drop from bronze during reset and just like 80% drop from silver. Doesn't that mean that players from low silver will get demoted and everything onwards shifts a little bit back? If you say that nothing is enforced... does that mean that few years from now, when only few hardcore people will play we will have very very few bronze-gold players, because players that will mainly stick will be from plat-masters? I feel that everyone will be upset because in some weeks everyone will be a league or half of a league down... Does anyone have any information about this topic? | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12180 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:17 DemiAlbedo wrote: I do not believe so. If you played Starcraft 2 from session one you only have to play one placement match and you are immediately placed within a division. If you are a new Starcraft 2 player you still have to play 5 placement matches in order for the system to determine where you should be placed. I believe what the other gentlemen was referring to is that new players can get placed into masters immediately if they do well on their 5 placement matches ( I don't know if that is true or not). I believe back in Session one you could only get promoted straight to platinum, but not diamond even if you won all 5 placement matches. After patch 1.2 (Master League patch), you could place into Diamond. After patch 1.3 (Grandmaster League patch), you can now place into Master. It's only the highest league that's locked from placement. | ||
Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:51 ArYeS wrote: One thing is on my mind. Some people said that league ratios are not enforced. Is that true? Does that mean, that if 50% people drop from bronze during reset and just like 80% drop from silver. Doesn't that mean that players from low silver will get demoted and everything onwards shifts a little bit back? If you say that nothing is enforced... does that mean that few years from now, when only few hardcore people will play we will have very very few bronze-gold players, because players that will mainly stick will be from plat-masters? I feel that everyone will be upset because in some weeks everyone will be a league or half of a league down... Does anyone have any information about this topic? League boundaries end up being defined by percentiles of active players. The exception to this is that someone who's placed into a league and stops playing stays there until they come back and lose a bunch, because their former MMR is no longer accurate compared to the active players. People at the margins of each league may move up or down a league with the reset. The people who threw a ton of games right before the reset (and there seem to be a bunch out there) will find themselves promoted right back to where they were. Many players who have been playing actively probably will end up in the same league, because they're already sorted into the correct league. The people who will see their standing drop like a rock are the ones who use the season reset as an opportunity to come back after maybe a six month break. I've talked to a couple of these people who have expressed shock at how much harder the competition is since they last played -- their MMRs are essentially stale and need to be brought back into line with the current state of the ladder. Edit: If only current platinum-masters players were to continue playing the game, those platinum players would become the bronze league. In fact, though, there are a lot of bronze through gold players who are playing the game very actively and are setting the current performance standards for those leagues by doing so. Many of them will probably still be playing the game, and will probably still be bronze through gold, despite having improved significantly with the extra year of active practice. And, for a new player, competition will be even more difficult. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12180 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:51 ArYeS wrote: One thing is on my mind. Some people said that league ratios are not enforced. Is that true? Does that mean, that if 50% people drop from bronze during reset and just like 80% drop from silver. Doesn't that mean that players from low silver will get demoted and everything onwards shifts a little bit back? If you say that nothing is enforced... does that mean that few years from now, when only few hardcore people will play we will have very very few bronze-gold players, because players that will mainly stick will be from plat-masters? I feel that everyone will be upset because in some weeks everyone will be a league or half of a league down... Does anyone have any information about this topic? That's basically right, but I want to clarify the second paragraph. The players who have Bronze-Gold skill levels right now will be less likely to stick with the game in 1 year, 2 years, 5 years, whatever. So, what that means for the league population is that those players will be the weakest players in the ladder, so they will trend downward toward Bronze as they play more games. | ||
Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On March 30 2011 07:12 Excalibur_Z wrote: That's basically right, but I want to clarify the second paragraph. The players who have Bronze-Gold skill levels right now will be less likely to stick with the game in 1 year, 2 years, 5 years, whatever. So, what that means for the league population is that those players will be the weakest players in the ladder, so they will trend downward toward Bronze as they play more games. I would expect that the downward trend would affect everyone. With fewer players, being at the 98th percentile (for Masters), 80th percentile (for Diamond) 60th percentile (for Platinum), and so on will be more difficult for everyone, causing demotions for players in the lower range of their leagues across the board. | ||
ArYeS
Slovenia268 Posts
I will be interesting to see in a month, how many people will drop from ladder. If it's around 50%, which in my opinion is likely going to happen. We will see massive shifts in lower leagues. Which means more competitive action, because let's assume most percent of the players that have quit during first season are players that are ranked lower. (some of them played only >10 games), that means we could see more promotion and demotion action going on, as lower is the population of the ladder, smaller are leagues and less games (if mostly winning) takes from one league to another. And let's face it, league promotion means that our motivation kicks back in! | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12180 Posts
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Turing
United States211 Posts
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
So does anybody have an answer for this? Are they just demoted cause pre-reset they were on the border of demotion anyway? Or does it actually have something to do with the reset. Sorry if it has been answered before, I have not read entire thread. | ||
Turbo.Tactics
Germany675 Posts
On March 30 2011 08:48 Ryder. wrote: Lots of people have been complaining that they have been placed in a lower league than season 1 after their placement league. On the surface it would seem that it is because lots of inactive bronze/silver players have been weeded out, so new players are needed to fill bronze-silver spots, so there is a general downward shift of leagues. But I read somewhere that leagues are made up of 'active players' (definition of active is something blizzard keeps a secret). However this would mean that these inactive players would have already been accounted for when placing people in leagues. So does anybody have an answer for this? Are they just demoted cause pre-reset they were on the border of demotion anyway? Or does it actually have something to do with the reset. Sorry if it has been answered before, I have not read entire thread. Can't give you the answer but the definition of an active player is pretty clear. You are an active player if you keep your bonuspool down, or become active if you play a certain amount of games with your accumulated bonuspool. If I read it correctly in a prior post of Excalibur_Z then you won't get promoted until you reached a fixed (low) amount of bonuspool or number of games. Feel free to correct me if I butchered this explanation. | ||
windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
I don't want to be in Bronze again T_T Anyways thanks for all the information. | ||
blazzerg
Canada30 Posts
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Leyra
United States1222 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On March 30 2011 08:48 Ryder. wrote: But I read somewhere that leagues are made up of 'active players' (definition of active is something blizzard keeps a secret). However this would mean that these inactive players would have already been accounted for when placing people in leagues. So does anybody have an answer for this? Are they just demoted cause pre-reset they were on the border of demotion anyway? Or does it actually have something to do with the reset. If someone was playing actively before the reset and didn't have a losing streak in the week or so that leagues were locked, they would wind up pretty close in league to where they started. Someone being demoted or promoted at their placement match was probably close to the boundary, if they had been playing a lot before. The way it works is that MMR and league have a fixed relationship, but people who play get distributed across the entire MMR range by playing games. If they did not improve, an active Silver player from last August, when there were a ton more casual players playing, would have had close to a 50/50 ratio the whole time, but they would have seen their MMR gradually drop over that time, until they wound up in Bronze. If they'd been inactive that entire time, their MMR would be recorded at the August level, and they'd come back to find that they lost all their games until their MMR stabilized at a new level, also resulting in a demotion to Bronze. MMR only changes due to games being played, so inactive players simply don't factor into how MMRs are distributed among the people playing games. This means there doesn't have to be an activity "threshold" at all -- it's just a soft threshold, meaning that an "active" player is one who's played enough games for their MMR to be accurate, that is for them to have a 50/50 chance vs. players of identical MMR. Players who are inactive for a long time are likely to come back to find that they lose games because their MMR from before is no longer accurate, because players at the bottom have dropped out while those from the top have remained, and the rest have redistributed through the MMR range by playing games. Edit: There is an activity threshold for the Grandmaster League, but that's not the same as the phenomenon of active players determining the MMR distribution and thus league boundaries. | ||
GrassEater
Sweden417 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On March 30 2011 09:11 GrassEater wrote: I hate that they keep the mmr form the last season. This will not make it a fair new season. Assuming that today's active population is the same as that of last week, last week's MMR is an excellent prediction of a player's MMR today. The alternative, resetting MMR to some randomly chosen number, would just result in poor matchmaking for a few days until people sorted themselves out to pretty much where they were before. | ||
FuzzyLord
253 Posts
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djcube
United States985 Posts
On March 30 2011 09:11 GrassEater wrote: I hate that they keep the mmr form the last season. This will not make it a fair new season. I'm not knowledgeable about the whole system, but how is keeping the mmr from last season unfair? Doesn't that mean we'll be playing against people of comparable level? | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12180 Posts
On March 30 2011 08:59 Turbo.Tactics wrote: Can't give you the answer but the definition of an active player is pretty clear. You are an active player if you keep your bonuspool down, or become active if you play a certain amount of games with your accumulated bonuspool. If I read it correctly in a prior post of Excalibur_Z then you won't get promoted until you reached a fixed (low) amount of bonuspool or number of games. Feel free to correct me if I butchered this explanation. Activity has nothing to do with promotion, but the rest is correct. | ||
entrust
Poland196 Posts
So as I'm playing on Europe mainly I'm curious if they will do it at 5AM so I would be good to play right away as I live in USA. I don't know, my theory seems to make sense so maybe 11AM for server start is misleading information? | ||
Uhnno
Netherlands288 Posts
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Wilko
Germany470 Posts
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NoXious90
United Kingdom160 Posts
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BrahCJ
Australia659 Posts
Which means no matter how much grinding I do now with my bonus pool to get top 8 for a star (purrrrdy) I would be promoted to gold before I made top 8 silver. Anyway. Teach me for being a little bitch. Am I the only one that gets soooo stressed to ladder (even at silver) that it saps the fun out of it? | ||
accaris
98 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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DeadPixels
United States78 Posts
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Kyamo
Canada129 Posts
On March 30 2011 10:06 DeadPixels wrote: Some people are saying "placement matches' (plural) but for me I only had one, which put me in diamond (which is where I was before). Is this because my MMR was sure of its self that it didn't need me to play more placement matches? If you completed your 5 placement matches in season 1, you should only have 1 placement match. If you never placed for season 1 you still need to do 5 placements. | ||
MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
On March 30 2011 10:06 DeadPixels wrote: Some people are saying "placement matches' (plural) but for me I only had one, which put me in diamond (which is where I was before). Is this because my MMR was sure of its self that it didn't need me to play more placement matches? Placement matches as in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4. | ||
LoCaD
Germany1634 Posts
for the new Season I need watch less Pro Stuff and actually Play more ... who am I kidding with GSL,TSL,MLG ... NASL EU Tournys being so awesome q_q now fast to the vods of the WC GSL and then Sotg. | ||
whatthefat
United States918 Posts
An example, let's take 2 people in diamond - before the reset, one of them was rank 1 and playing against high diamond and master level players, the other was rank 100 playing against high platinum and low diamond level players. Assuming they had both been playing at this level for a while, each of their MMRs should have equilibrated to their level of opposition, and so they each won as often as they lost, and on average only gained points due to bonus pool. After the reset, MMRs aren't changed, so in theory they should still be playing roughly the same level of opposition. But now both players are starting from zero points. So for the ex-rank 1 player to keep up with the ex-rank 100 player, they now have to score as well against masters as the other guy is doing against high plat / low diamond. At first I thought things should even back out to where they were over time, but it seems to me like this is a steady state. Whether it's stable or unstable I have no idea. TL DR; All players have now been put on the same number of points and are matched only against opponents of approximately the same strength. How do players become differentiated? | ||
Clicker
United States1012 Posts
On March 30 2011 10:53 whatthefat wrote: Maybe I'm not thinking about this right, and if so somebody can help me. But it seems to me like the ladder reset could introduce some problems. An example, let's take 2 people in diamond - before the reset, one of them was rank 1 and playing against high diamond and master level players, the other was rank 100 playing against high platinum and low diamond level players. Assuming they had both been playing at this level for a while, each of their MMRs should have equilibrated to their level of opposition, and so they each won as often as they lost, and on average only gained points due to bonus pool. After the reset, MMRs aren't changed, so in theory they should still be playing roughly the same level of opposition. But now both players are starting from zero points. So for the ex-rank 1 player to keep up with the ex-rank 100 player, they now have to score as well against masters as the other guy is doing against high plat / low diamond. At first I thought things should even back out to where they were over time, but it seems to me like this is a steady state. Whether it's stable or unstable I have no idea. TL DR; All players have now been put on the same number of points and are matched only against opponents of approximately the same strength. How do players become differentiated? The same way they did in season 1, it'll all balance out in time. If the rank 1 keeps winning against masters, then he'll just get promoted eventually. Or the lower of the two could get demoted, but either way they'll differentiate in time. | ||
Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On March 30 2011 10:53 whatthefat wrote: After the reset, MMRs aren't changed, so in theory they should still be playing roughly the same level of opposition. But now both players are starting from zero points. So for the ex-rank 1 player to keep up with the ex-rank 100 player, they now have to score as well against masters as the other guy is doing against high plat / low diamond. Ignoring bonus points, I'm not sure those two would end up in the same tier of division after the reset, in which case both being at 0 points would reflect a difference in starting point value. | ||
hybridsc
United States63 Posts
On March 30 2011 11:53 Clicker wrote: The same way they did in season 1, it'll all balance out in time. If the rank 1 keeps winning against masters, then he'll just get promoted eventually. Or the lower of the two could get demoted, but either way they'll differentiate in time. If they both continue to win 50% of their games, they should in theory have the same # of points. But the high diamond guy will be much more skilled than the low diamond guy. It doesn't seem like it'd work out fairly. In season 1 everyone started with no MMR history. That's the big difference here. | ||
shora
15 Posts
On March 30 2011 09:44 Wilko wrote: A Blizzard official on German B-Net-Forum stated that EU reset will be made between 5am - 7am CET i think i can confirm that, as EU bnet seems pretty messed up atm. had 3 drops now in the last 3 games :/ | ||
pugowar
United States142 Posts
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whatthefat
United States918 Posts
On March 30 2011 11:58 enjoyx wrote: If they both continue to win 50% of their games, they should in theory have the same # of points. But the high diamond guy will be much more skilled than the low diamond guy. It doesn't seem like it'd work out fairly. In season 1 everyone started with no MMR history. That's the big difference here. Exactly. The differences in points in season 1 were attained while everyone attained their MMR. Everyone started off with the same MMR - those who won more often than others went to a higher MMR. But by the end of the season, there should have been no real difference in the rate at which players of different skill levels were increasing their score if they were playing at the same rate. | ||
djcube
United States985 Posts
On March 30 2011 12:10 pugowar wrote: anyone else seeing really screwy scores? there is a guy in my division who has 40 points, but I look at his history and he won 1 game +21, then lost five in a row (each -13)...Im not sure how that adds up to 40 LOL Yeah, it seems pretty buggy. There are several people in my division with points but zero wins. | ||
MyNameIsAlex
Greece827 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
/blog Anyways, the level of play seems to be much much better than I remembered or many people took the opportunity to smurf | ||
PtM
89 Posts
On March 30 2011 10:53 whatthefat wrote: Maybe I'm not thinking about this right, and if so somebody can help me. But it seems to me like the ladder reset could introduce some problems. An example, let's take 2 people in diamond - before the reset, one of them was rank 1 and playing against high diamond and master level players, the other was rank 100 playing against high platinum and low diamond level players. Assuming they had both been playing at this level for a while, each of their MMRs should have equilibrated to their level of opposition, and so they each won as often as they lost, and on average only gained points due to bonus pool. After the reset, MMRs aren't changed, so in theory they should still be playing roughly the same level of opposition. But now both players are starting from zero points. So for the ex-rank 1 player to keep up with the ex-rank 100 player, they now have to score as well against masters as the other guy is doing against high plat / low diamond. At first I thought things should even back out to where they were over time, but it seems to me like this is a steady state. Whether it's stable or unstable I have no idea. TL DR; All players have now been put on the same number of points and are matched only against opponents of approximately the same strength. How do players become differentiated? This is an understandable concern, but the way points are awarded will avoid this issue. Basically, the points you earn for a win are based on your actual points versus the opponent's MMR. In other words, if your points are at 1000 and you're against a 1500 MMR opponent, you might get 16 points (ignore the specific numbers, they're just used for illustrative purposes). If you have 1000 points and you're against a 1000 MMR opponent, you might only get 10 points. Thus, now that players are back down to 0 points, the higher MMR players will gain points more quickly since they're playing against higher MMR opponents and thus gain more points per win (until their actual points converge to their MMR). | ||
ffdestiny
United States773 Posts
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ChaseR
Norway1004 Posts
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Floobie
England296 Posts
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whatthefat
United States918 Posts
On March 30 2011 13:14 PtM wrote: This is an understandable concern, but the way points are awarded will avoid this issue. Basically, the points you earn for a win are based on your actual points versus the opponent's MMR. In other words, if your points are at 1000 and you're against a 1500 MMR opponent, you might get 16 points (ignore the specific numbers, they're just used for illustrative purposes). If you have 1000 points and you're against a 1000 MMR opponent, you might only get 10 points. Thus, now that players are back down to 0 points, the higher MMR players will gain points more quickly since they're playing against higher MMR opponents and thus gain more points per win (until their actual points converge to their MMR). Aha, good point. Thanks. | ||
3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
I was kind of hoping that they would be going for something like what ICCUP had, like a brief summary of your ranks/division during the earlier seasons. It's going to be extremely tedious the way it is now, especially once we get through a couple of seasons. | ||
ciaNo
Italy123 Posts
I dont think u can get to 4k points by playing the same guys u played in the last season 1 games from the very first games and u dont have the bonus pool to back u up (if u're active). | ||
Bommes
Germany1226 Posts
On March 30 2011 18:20 ciaNo wrote: I think the "skill measure based on points" will be completely different this season. I dont think u can get to 4k points by playing the same guys u played in the last season 1 games from the very first games and u dont have the bonus pool to back u up (if u're active). I hope it is comparable every season so you end up around 4kish at the end of the season and they stop bonus pool at the exact same amount of time, so you can actually compare your different season results | ||
ciaNo
Italy123 Posts
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whatthefat
United States918 Posts
On March 30 2011 18:17 grobo wrote: Am i the only one disappointed with the "last season" features? you have to crawl through a bunch of subfolders and then go through each and every single team you're on just so you can see where you ended up the last season. Am i missing something or is it actually going to be like that? I was kind of hoping that they would be going for something like what ICCUP had, like a brief summary of your ranks/division during the earlier seasons. It's going to be extremely tedious the way it is now, especially once we get through a couple of seasons. Agreed, I was hoping for a quick overview page, maybe just showing the season rank symbols. | ||
Sockpuppet
119 Posts
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ook4mi
France5 Posts
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mrdx
Vietnam1555 Posts
On March 30 2011 18:17 grobo wrote: Am i the only one disappointed with the "last season" features? you have to crawl through a bunch of subfolders and then go through each and every single team you're on just so you can see where you ended up the last season. Am i missing something or is it actually going to be like that? I was kind of hoping that they would be going for something like what ICCUP had, like a brief summary of your ranks/division during the earlier seasons. It's going to be extremely tedious the way it is now, especially once we get through a couple of seasons. Agreed. It takes just too many clicks to see last season record, and nothing is even showed on my profile screen - makes I feel like all my effort has been suddenly erased. Quite demotivating. | ||
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