Ladder reset info

On March 29 2011 22:38 seph` wrote:

wanted to ask the same, i think its tomorrow in the morning but not sure !

On March 29 2011 22:46 eYeball wrote:
Is it wise to spend my bonuspool? I have about 300 left. Or doesnt it really matter since only thing thats going to be changed is my MMR?

Thanks for help!

On March 29 2011 22:57 Jiddra wrote:
1) So new players with like 2000 in bonus will be faced with 0 in bonus tomorrow? Sounds kind of strange.

On March 29 2011 22:57 Jiddra wrote:
1) So new players with like 2000 in bonus will be faced with 0 in bonus tomorrow? Sounds kind of strange.

On March 29 2011 23:11 solistus wrote:


Why is that strange? Bonus pools exist to encourage more active play, not to encourage players to stop playing at the end of the season and save up bonus so they can have an advantage over everyone else in the new season. That would be an atrocious system.

On March 29 2011 23:13 zende wrote:
So the higher MMR you have, do you get more points for each win? Like the top player should be getting lots of points in the beginning of the season while the lower players get less? Otherwise the players who play the most in these two weeks will get GM, not the best players..

On March 29 2011 23:17 Jiddra wrote:


A new player starting in the wrong time is punished, or am I missing something? Why have bonus for new players at all? Hon encouraged is the new player that gets his whole bonus pool reset to 0 before even being able to use it?

On March 29 2011 23:12 resilve wrote:
So is there antime that is the basis for when ladder placement is frozen for s1 (EU)? Will there be downtime at 3am till 11am or something?

Im in a kind of close position to stay top 8, and not feeling well today - so want to get away with minimum games to cover myself, and certainly dont want to be playing through to 5am or something to secure it >_<

On March 29 2011 23:20 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Your score is also reset, by the way your points and all that.

On March 29 2011 23:23 Jiddra wrote:


But a new player starting after the reset will get a huge bonus pool, while the new player that started 1 day before him has 0?

On March 29 2011 23:21 vat0s wrote:



what does it change in season 2 being top 8 in season 1 ?

On March 29 2011 23:16 syllogism wrote:
Since a lot of inactive players will be "purged" as they won't play their placement matches, will some players have to be demoted to maintain the ratio between the leagues?

On March 29 2011 23:25 diLLa wrote:


?? you don't get it do you..

EVERYONE has the reset of points and bonus pool, and EVERYONE will continue to build up the pool after the reset.

On March 29 2011 23:34 Jiddra wrote:


And? You mean that new players that start after the reset will not get huge bonuspools, like before the reset?

On March 29 2011 23:34 Jiddra wrote:


And? You mean that new players that start after the reset will not get huge bonuspools, like before the reset?

On March 29 2011 23:36 revy wrote:


No they will get bonus pool points counting from today onwards not from release to today.

On March 29 2011 23:26 resilve wrote:


Nothing at all of importance, but in season 2 you get to keep the reward of where you finished season 1 (so top 8, top 24 etc) in a little "trophy cabinet" of your profile, afaik?

On March 29 2011 23:16 syllogism wrote:
Since a lot of inactive players will be "purged" as they won't play their placement matches, will some players have to be demoted to maintain the ratio between the leagues?

On March 29 2011 23:48 Vizzle wrote:
so i still dont understand what he bonuspool is for?!
soory that i have to ask but i never thought about the bonuspool ( not playing that much)
what will change for a casual player like me after the reset?

On March 30 2011 00:25 Jeffbelittle wrote:
I have a question.

I had an MMR of that of maybe a 2800 diamond player. If I win OR lose my placement match, is there a possibility I'll qualify masters?

On March 30 2011 00:33 Jeffbelittle wrote:
But is there a POSSIBILITY to qualify masters league if you weren't already I guess is what I'm saying

On March 30 2011 00:25 Jeffbelittle wrote:
I have a question.

I had an MMR of that of maybe a 2800 diamond player. If I win OR lose my placement match, is there a possibility I'll qualify masters?

On March 30 2011 00:49 harDmug wrote:
I swear EU hasn't been reset yet?..

On March 30 2011 00:52 SzaszaG wrote:
Have the Achievements for winning 500/1000 games been Cleared ?

On March 29 2011 22:35 The OP wrote:
2.) Win counts towards achievements like 1000 wins didn't reset.

On March 30 2011 01:15 Sewi wrote:
So bonus pool ist going to be 0 for everyone. But at what points do we start again? 0, too? Or something complicated like it was after masterleague was invented?

On March 30 2011 01:02 maartendq wrote:
Just a thought but wouldn't it be better if everything was cleared, including MMR? It's really kind of pointless to reset a ladder that way. Everyone's going to be in their same league again anyway, the only that changes is that people have to earn their points again.

Having a full fresh start for everyone seems more useful to me.

On March 30 2011 00:55 SDream wrote:
SEA, NA and LA are on seasion 2, confirmed.

On March 30 2011 01:47 R3N wrote:
Placement matches are ofc 5 games right? Not 1?!?

On March 30 2011 02:01 GreEny K wrote:
I thought that GM league was determined by the previous' seasons state... Lol, maybe I can get into it if I can find some ladder time!

On March 30 2011 01:53 Zlasher wrote:
I just threw 49 games +1 placement game, I'm 0-50 and I'm STILL masters league T.T I was about 100-35 before ladder reset. This is ridiculous, SC2 needs a freaking account wipe button so I can just reset

On March 30 2011 02:04 RyanRushia wrote:


under the presumption that GM isnt out for 2 more weeks... can anyone confirm/deny?

On March 30 2011 02:19 FinestHour wrote:
So can you get demoted from a league because of inactivity? Cuz I really dont wanna play team games but I like having 4/4 masters...its pretty

On March 30 2011 01:53 Zlasher wrote:
I just threw 49 games +1 placement game, I'm 0-50 and I'm STILL masters league T.T I was about 100-35 before ladder reset. This is ridiculous, SC2 needs a freaking account wipe button so I can just reset

On March 30 2011 02:04 RyanRushia wrote:


under the presumption that GM isnt out for 2 more weeks... can anyone confirm/deny?

On March 30 2011 01:55 Blamajama wrote:
Wtf man... what happened to all my point. Bnet ****ed us over good. All those hours wasted. Might as well uninstall since they will probably reset every year.

On March 30 2011 01:53 Zlasher wrote:
I just threw 49 games +1 placement game, I'm 0-50 and I'm STILL masters league T.T I was about 100-35 before ladder reset. This is ridiculous, SC2 needs a freaking account wipe button so I can just reset

On March 30 2011 01:55 Blamajama wrote:
Wtf man... what happened to all my point. Bnet ****ed us over good. All those hours wasted. Might as well uninstall since they will probably reset every year.

On March 30 2011 02:14 Kyamo wrote:



If they made it that easy, people would use it all the time so that they could stomp all over lower level players for fun and to farm portraits. Lower level players wouldn't be able to get fair games. It sounds like a bad idea to me.

On March 30 2011 02:55 te3l wrote:


There is a account wipe button, its the "Buy Starcraft 2" button

In all fairness they prevent you from wiping ur account for no legit reason because they dont want you to ruin some bronze leaguers but i also don't see how this reset is useful except to get rid of the people that dont play anymore

On March 30 2011 02:59 resilve wrote:


I dont actually know it for a fact - but didn't I read somewhere a blizzard poster talking about how MMR changes relate to how you do in relation to your opponent?

If you instantly quit a match to throw it, I think it detects that a very different set of circumstances occured than you played a 25 min game and just lost - and reflects that in the MMR change.

I cant prove that tho, it is just a memory.

On March 30 2011 02:55 te3l wrote:


There is a account wipe button, its the "Buy Starcraft 2" button

In all fairness they prevent you from wiping ur account for no legit reason because they dont want you to ruin some bronze leaguers but i also don't see how this reset is useful except to get rid of the people that dont play anymore

On March 30 2011 03:12 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Nope.

On March 30 2011 03:05 GertHeart wrote:


I find this reason odd only because I played WoW and like everyone in WoW I killed and hunted newbs for fun sometimes. Then again I solo farmed World PVP kills too =) I think I quit WoW with 40,000+ kills (Including BG's World kills I think were about 2k+) It only counts honorable kills of course.

On March 30 2011 03:19 Zlasher wrote:


Yeah no shit but that doesn't make it any less stupid of a reason. Doing this makes it so you can never really change races effectively or try out any sort of builds in a ladder setting without spending 50 bucks.

On March 30 2011 03:46 Fro5tByt3 wrote:
I guess I don't really understand the MMR -
I was 18 bronze last week. After watching some Day9 Daily and learning some stuff, I ended up rank 5 for last season.
I played my placement match and destroyed a zerg with some 4gate/transition to voids and phoenix queen harass (learned from Day9, also).
Now I'm bronze again (68?).
This doesn't make sense to me, even after reading this whole thread.
When will I be promoted?

On March 30 2011 04:01 Fro5tByt3 wrote:
I guess I was expecting a promotion for winning my placement match.
What's the point of a placement match if, when you win, you don't get a promotion?

On March 30 2011 03:46 iCCup.Diamond wrote:


Just play the new race and win or lose. I don't get why you are trying to do this....

On March 30 2011 06:09 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
It's now possible to be placed in Master via the 5 placement match method.

On March 30 2011 03:46 Fro5tByt3 wrote:
I guess I don't really understand the MMR -
I was 18 bronze last week. After watching some Day9 Daily and learning some stuff, I ended up rank 5 for last season.
I played my placement match and destroyed a zerg with some 4gate/transition to voids and phoenix queen harass (learned from Day9, also).
Now I'm bronze again (68?).
This doesn't make sense to me, even after reading this whole thread.

On March 30 2011 05:52 Zlasher wrote:


You're the CEO over a server where 99% of people never used their real name when laddering, and every famous player ever made smurfs to practice new builds and refine play with people their level when trying out new stuff. You really don't get it?

Meaning that if you get initially placed in diamond after 1 game, you can get promoted again after doing well in the subsequent 4?

On March 30 2011 06:15 iCCup.Diamond wrote:


Actually I just run iCCup TV. Not iCCup.

Like I SO wish there was an option to have separate ladder rankings/mmr per race like anyone but at this point it's not here. I was always against /clearstats as it just made the lower leagues hell. So instead of wasting time throwing 50 games, why not play the 50, lose most of them presumably but learn very quickly and have GREAT replays to highlight your holes with the race.

I know you and I assume you are decent enough to grasp the basics of the race right away. It's not like you're going to pick Zerg (no idea what you are right now), and go "huh whats the flying blobs things. Oh, they seem to be called Overlords, wonder what they do?" No, as much of a fan as you are you will know basic builds, race specific strategies and micro tricks, current metagame info for all MU's, and much much more. Having those replays or high level players abusing you will show you the specific points you need to work on.

On March 30 2011 06:26 Zlasher wrote:


Yeah, well heres my problem is that it took me like 4 months to get from originally copper league to diamond league. I can't imagine I'll be able to magically pick up Protoss and get everything down in time, instead I'm just going to move to a level where i feel comfortable

1) Nuke rushing, mass ravens, mass hellions, BC rush's
2) Can still play Protoss and win.

Not gonna lie, I like winning, and I like just playing at 35 APM once in a while but still winning, instead of actually having to go 100 apm and executing the same plays over and over again just to scrap out a 50% win rate, because quite frankly its just not fun.

On March 30 2011 06:30 Westy wrote:


Did you know you can join custom games? Just join a open 1v1 game, 90% of the time its bronze level players.

On March 30 2011 06:38 Badfatpanda wrote:
Just played with a friend and got placed 2v2 gold still...too bad the team we beat was diamond and it's all we ever play against =/. I will never grasp the blizz mm system.

On March 30 2011 06:39 ChewbroCColi wrote:
" I'm assuming it will be filled with top200 players, based on MMR, 2 weeks from now."

Does anyone know if its mmr based or top 200 points based? Would be nice to know.

On March 30 2011 06:17 DemiAlbedo wrote:


I do not believe so. If you played Starcraft 2 from session one you only have to play one placement match and you are immediately placed within a division.

If you are a new Starcraft 2 player you still have to play 5 placement matches in order for the system to determine where you should be placed.

I believe what the other gentlemen was referring to is that new players can get placed into masters immediately if they do well on their 5 placement matches ( I don't know if that is true or not). I believe back in Session one you could only get promoted straight to platinum, but not diamond even if you won all 5 placement matches.

On March 30 2011 06:51 ArYeS wrote:
One thing is on my mind. Some people said that league ratios are not enforced.
Is that true? Does that mean, that if 50% people drop from bronze during reset and just like 80% drop from silver. Doesn't that mean that players from low silver will get demoted and everything onwards shifts a little bit back?

If you say that nothing is enforced... does that mean that few years from now, when only few hardcore people will play we will have very very few bronze-gold players, because players that will mainly stick will be from plat-masters?

I feel that everyone will be upset because in some weeks everyone will be a league or half of a league down... Does anyone have any information about this topic?

On March 30 2011 06:51 ArYeS wrote:
One thing is on my mind. Some people said that league ratios are not enforced.
Is that true? Does that mean, that if 50% people drop from bronze during reset and just like 80% drop from silver. Doesn't that mean that players from low silver will get demoted and everything onwards shifts a little bit back?

If you say that nothing is enforced... does that mean that few years from now, when only few hardcore people will play we will have very very few bronze-gold players, because players that will mainly stick will be from plat-masters?

I feel that everyone will be upset because in some weeks everyone will be a league or half of a league down... Does anyone have any information about this topic?

On March 30 2011 07:12 Excalibur_Z wrote:
That's basically right, but I want to clarify the second paragraph. The players who have Bronze-Gold skill levels right now will be less likely to stick with the game in 1 year, 2 years, 5 years, whatever. So, what that means for the league population is that those players will be the weakest players in the ladder, so they will trend downward toward Bronze as they play more games.

On March 30 2011 08:48 Ryder. wrote:
Lots of people have been complaining that they have been placed in a lower league than season 1 after their placement league. On the surface it would seem that it is because lots of inactive bronze/silver players have been weeded out, so new players are needed to fill bronze-silver spots, so there is a general downward shift of leagues. But I read somewhere that leagues are made up of 'active players' (definition of active is something blizzard keeps a secret). However this would mean that these inactive players would have already been accounted for when placing people in leagues.

So does anybody have an answer for this? Are they just demoted cause pre-reset they were on the border of demotion anyway? Or does it actually have something to do with the reset.

Sorry if it has been answered before, I have not read entire thread.

On March 30 2011 08:48 Ryder. wrote:
But I read somewhere that leagues are made up of 'active players' (definition of active is something blizzard keeps a secret). However this would mean that these inactive players would have already been accounted for when placing people in leagues.

So does anybody have an answer for this? Are they just demoted cause pre-reset they were on the border of demotion anyway? Or does it actually have something to do with the reset.

On March 30 2011 09:11 GrassEater wrote:
I hate that they keep the mmr form the last season. This will not make it a fair new season.

On March 30 2011 09:11 GrassEater wrote:
I hate that they keep the mmr form the last season. This will not make it a fair new season.

On March 30 2011 08:59 Turbo.Tactics wrote:


Can't give you the answer but the definition of an active player is pretty clear. You are an active player if you keep your bonuspool down, or become active if you play a certain amount of games with your accumulated bonuspool. If I read it correctly in a prior post of Excalibur_Z then you won't get promoted until you reached a fixed (low) amount of bonuspool or number of games.

Feel free to correct me if I butchered this explanation.

On March 30 2011 10:06 DeadPixels wrote:
Some people are saying "placement matches' (plural) but for me I only had one, which put me in diamond (which is where I was before). Is this because my MMR was sure of its self that it didn't need me to play more placement matches?

On March 30 2011 10:53 whatthefat wrote:
Maybe I'm not thinking about this right, and if so somebody can help me. But it seems to me like the ladder reset could introduce some problems.

An example, let's take 2 people in diamond - before the reset, one of them was rank 1 and playing against high diamond and master level players, the other was rank 100 playing against high platinum and low diamond level players. Assuming they had both been playing at this level for a while, each of their MMRs should have equilibrated to their level of opposition, and so they each won as often as they lost, and on average only gained points due to bonus pool.

After the reset, MMRs aren't changed, so in theory they should still be playing roughly the same level of opposition. But now both players are starting from zero points. So for the ex-rank 1 player to keep up with the ex-rank 100 player, they now have to score as well against masters as the other guy is doing against high plat / low diamond.

At first I thought things should even back out to where they were over time, but it seems to me like this is a steady state. Whether it's stable or unstable I have no idea.

TL DR; All players have now been put on the same number of points and are matched only against opponents of approximately the same strength. How do players become differentiated?

On March 30 2011 10:53 whatthefat wrote:
After the reset, MMRs aren't changed, so in theory they should still be playing roughly the same level of opposition. But now both players are starting from zero points. So for the ex-rank 1 player to keep up with the ex-rank 100 player, they now have to score as well against masters as the other guy is doing against high plat / low diamond.

On March 30 2011 11:53 Clicker wrote:

The same way they did in season 1, it'll all balance out in time. If the rank 1 keeps winning against masters, then he'll just get promoted eventually. Or the lower of the two could get demoted, but either way they'll differentiate in time.

On March 30 2011 09:44 Wilko wrote:
A Blizzard official on German B-Net-Forum stated that EU reset will be made between 5am - 7am CET

On March 30 2011 11:58 enjoyx wrote:


If they both continue to win 50% of their games, they should in theory have the same # of points. But the high diamond guy will be much more skilled than the low diamond guy. It doesn't seem like it'd work out fairly.

In season 1 everyone started with no MMR history. That's the big difference here.

On March 30 2011 12:10 pugowar wrote:
anyone else seeing really screwy scores? there is a guy in my division who has 40 points, but I look at his history and he won 1 game +21, then lost five in a row (each -13)...Im not sure how that adds up to 40 LOL

On March 30 2011 10:53 whatthefat wrote:
Maybe I'm not thinking about this right, and if so somebody can help me. But it seems to me like the ladder reset could introduce some problems.

An example, let's take 2 people in diamond - before the reset, one of them was rank 1 and playing against high diamond and master level players, the other was rank 100 playing against high platinum and low diamond level players. Assuming they had both been playing at this level for a while, each of their MMRs should have equilibrated to their level of opposition, and so they each won as often as they lost, and on average only gained points due to bonus pool.

After the reset, MMRs aren't changed, so in theory they should still be playing roughly the same level of opposition. But now both players are starting from zero points. So for the ex-rank 1 player to keep up with the ex-rank 100 player, they now have to score as well against masters as the other guy is doing against high plat / low diamond.

At first I thought things should even back out to where they were over time, but it seems to me like this is a steady state. Whether it's stable or unstable I have no idea.

TL DR; All players have now been put on the same number of points and are matched only against opponents of approximately the same strength. How do players become differentiated?

On March 30 2011 13:14 PtM wrote:

This is an understandable concern, but the way points are awarded will avoid this issue. Basically, the points you earn for a win are based on your actual points versus the opponent's MMR. In other words, if your points are at 1000 and you're against a 1500 MMR opponent, you might get 16 points (ignore the specific numbers, they're just used for illustrative purposes). If you have 1000 points and you're against a 1000 MMR opponent, you might only get 10 points. Thus, now that players are back down to 0 points, the higher MMR players will gain points more quickly since they're playing against higher MMR opponents and thus gain more points per win (until their actual points converge to their MMR).

On March 30 2011 18:20 ciaNo wrote:
I think the "skill measure based on points" will be completely different this season.

I dont think u can get to 4k points by playing the same guys u played in the last season 1 games from the very first games and u dont have the bonus pool to back u up (if u're active).

On March 30 2011 18:17 grobo wrote:
Am i the only one disappointed with the "last season" features? you have to crawl through a bunch of subfolders and then go through each and every single team you're on just so you can see where you ended up the last season. Am i missing something or is it actually going to be like that?

I was kind of hoping that they would be going for something like what ICCUP had, like a brief summary of your ranks/division during the earlier seasons.

It's going to be extremely tedious the way it is now, especially once we get through a couple of seasons.

On March 30 2011 18:17 grobo wrote:
Am i the only one disappointed with the "last season" features? you have to crawl through a bunch of subfolders and then go through each and every single team you're on just so you can see where you ended up the last season. Am i missing something or is it actually going to be like that?

I was kind of hoping that they would be going for something like what ICCUP had, like a brief summary of your ranks/division during the earlier seasons.

It's going to be extremely tedious the way it is now, especially once we get through a couple of seasons.