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United States12267 Posts
On March 30 2011 08:59 Turbo.Tactics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 08:48 Ryder. wrote:
Lots of people have been complaining that they have been placed in a lower league than season 1 after their placement league. On the surface it would seem that it is because lots of inactive bronze/silver players have been weeded out, so new players are needed to fill bronze-silver spots, so there is a general downward shift of leagues. But I read somewhere that leagues are made up of 'active players' (definition of active is something blizzard keeps a secret). However this would mean that these inactive players would have already been accounted for when placing people in leagues.
So does anybody have an answer for this? Are they just demoted cause pre-reset they were on the border of demotion anyway? Or does it actually have something to do with the reset.
Sorry if it has been answered before, I have not read entire thread. Can't give you the answer but the definition of an active player is pretty clear. You are an active player if you keep your bonuspool down, or become active if you play a certain amount of games with your accumulated bonuspool. If I read it correctly in a prior post of Excalibur_Z then you won't get promoted until you reached a fixed (low) amount of bonuspool or number of games. Feel free to correct me if I butchered this explanation.
Activity has nothing to do with promotion, but the rest is correct.
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On US ladder reset was on 5AM, at least it said so. Basically it said like this "15 minutes to restart servers and you are good to go", but I checked it about 10AM so I don't know for sure if it was much earlier, but I think it was.
So as I'm playing on Europe mainly I'm curious if they will do it at 5AM so I would be good to play right away as I live in USA.
I don't know, my theory seems to make sense so maybe 11AM for server start is misleading information?
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I was under the impression you got some kind of shiny medal for finishing top8. This the case or have I been rage laddering for no purpose? 
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A Blizzard official on German B-Net-Forum stated that EU reset will be made between 5am - 7am CET
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finally i can learn protoss. i think i'm going to lose my placement matches on purpose
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The problem I have is that I have only played about 50 ladder games. The first 20 were as Terran, and I was terrible. Changed to Zerg, took the game more seriously for the last 30 games and was promoted to Silver when I was about rank 40th in bronze, due to my MMR and beating players ranked 1st in gold leagues, etc. Stringing runs like 10 games in a row, 2 losses, 7 games in a row etc etc...
Which means no matter how much grinding I do now with my bonus pool to get top 8 for a star (purrrrdy) I would be promoted to gold before I made top 8 silver.
Anyway. Teach me for being a little bitch. Am I the only one that gets soooo stressed to ladder (even at silver) that it saps the fun out of it?
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Lost all 4 of my placement matches. Got placed in exactly the same leagues as I was in before. The system must have a lot of confidence in me.
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I got moved up in all of my leagues except 2v2. I am very happy.
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Some people are saying "placement matches' (plural) but for me I only had one, which put me in diamond (which is where I was before). Is this because my MMR was sure of its self that it didn't need me to play more placement matches?
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On March 30 2011 10:06 DeadPixels wrote:
Some people are saying "placement matches' (plural) but for me I only had one, which put me in diamond (which is where I was before). Is this because my MMR was sure of its self that it didn't need me to play more placement matches?
If you completed your 5 placement matches in season 1, you should only have 1 placement match. If you never placed for season 1 you still need to do 5 placements.
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On March 30 2011 10:06 DeadPixels wrote:
Some people are saying "placement matches' (plural) but for me I only had one, which put me in diamond (which is where I was before). Is this because my MMR was sure of its self that it didn't need me to play more placement matches?
Placement matches as in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4.
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urgh EU here, 120 measly points apart from Top 8 in my little Silver Div but I JUST CANT PLAY anymore I give UP, I accept my 10th place atleast I got my Bonus Poll down to 800 something
for the new Season I need watch less Pro Stuff and actually Play more ... who am I kidding with GSL,TSL,MLG ... NASL EU Tournys being so awesome q_q
now fast to the vods of the WC GSL and then Sotg.
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Maybe I'm not thinking about this right, and if so somebody can help me. But it seems to me like the ladder reset could introduce some problems.
An example, let's take 2 people in diamond - before the reset, one of them was rank 1 and playing against high diamond and master level players, the other was rank 100 playing against high platinum and low diamond level players. Assuming they had both been playing at this level for a while, each of their MMRs should have equilibrated to their level of opposition, and so they each won as often as they lost, and on average only gained points due to bonus pool.
After the reset, MMRs aren't changed, so in theory they should still be playing roughly the same level of opposition. But now both players are starting from zero points. So for the ex-rank 1 player to keep up with the ex-rank 100 player, they now have to score as well against masters as the other guy is doing against high plat / low diamond.
At first I thought things should even back out to where they were over time, but it seems to me like this is a steady state. Whether it's stable or unstable I have no idea.
TL DR; All players have now been put on the same number of points and are matched only against opponents of approximately the same strength. How do players become differentiated?
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On March 30 2011 10:53 whatthefat wrote:
Maybe I'm not thinking about this right, and if so somebody can help me. But it seems to me like the ladder reset could introduce some problems.
An example, let's take 2 people in diamond - before the reset, one of them was rank 1 and playing against high diamond and master level players, the other was rank 100 playing against high platinum and low diamond level players. Assuming they had both been playing at this level for a while, each of their MMRs should have equilibrated to their level of opposition, and so they each won as often as they lost, and on average only gained points due to bonus pool.
After the reset, MMRs aren't changed, so in theory they should still be playing roughly the same level of opposition. But now both players are starting from zero points. So for the ex-rank 1 player to keep up with the ex-rank 100 player, they now have to score as well against masters as the other guy is doing against high plat / low diamond.
At first I thought things should even back out to where they were over time, but it seems to me like this is a steady state. Whether it's stable or unstable I have no idea.
TL DR; All players have now been put on the same number of points and are matched only against opponents of approximately the same strength. How do players become differentiated?
The same way they did in season 1, it'll all balance out in time. If the rank 1 keeps winning against masters, then he'll just get promoted eventually. Or the lower of the two could get demoted, but either way they'll differentiate in time.
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On March 30 2011 10:53 whatthefat wrote:
After the reset, MMRs aren't changed, so in theory they should still be playing roughly the same level of opposition. But now both players are starting from zero points. So for the ex-rank 1 player to keep up with the ex-rank 100 player, they now have to score as well against masters as the other guy is doing against high plat / low diamond.
Ignoring bonus points, I'm not sure those two would end up in the same tier of division after the reset, in which case both being at 0 points would reflect a difference in starting point value.
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On March 30 2011 11:53 Clicker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 10:53 whatthefat wrote:
Maybe I'm not thinking about this right, and if so somebody can help me. But it seems to me like the ladder reset could introduce some problems.
An example, let's take 2 people in diamond - before the reset, one of them was rank 1 and playing against high diamond and master level players, the other was rank 100 playing against high platinum and low diamond level players. Assuming they had both been playing at this level for a while, each of their MMRs should have equilibrated to their level of opposition, and so they each won as often as they lost, and on average only gained points due to bonus pool.
After the reset, MMRs aren't changed, so in theory they should still be playing roughly the same level of opposition. But now both players are starting from zero points. So for the ex-rank 1 player to keep up with the ex-rank 100 player, they now have to score as well against masters as the other guy is doing against high plat / low diamond.
At first I thought things should even back out to where they were over time, but it seems to me like this is a steady state. Whether it's stable or unstable I have no idea.
TL DR; All players have now been put on the same number of points and are matched only against opponents of approximately the same strength. How do players become differentiated? The same way they did in season 1, it'll all balance out in time. If the rank 1 keeps winning against masters, then he'll just get promoted eventually. Or the lower of the two could get demoted, but either way they'll differentiate in time.
If they both continue to win 50% of their games, they should in theory have the same # of points. But the high diamond guy will be much more skilled than the low diamond guy. It doesn't seem like it'd work out fairly.
In season 1 everyone started with no MMR history. That's the big difference here.
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On March 30 2011 09:44 Wilko wrote:
A Blizzard official on German B-Net-Forum stated that EU reset will be made between 5am - 7am CET
i think i can confirm that, as EU bnet seems pretty messed up atm. had 3 drops now in the last 3 games :/
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anyone else seeing really screwy scores? there is a guy in my division who has 40 points, but I look at his history and he won 1 game +21, then lost five in a row (each -13)...Im not sure how that adds up to 40 LOL
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On March 30 2011 11:58 enjoyx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 11:53 Clicker wrote:On March 30 2011 10:53 whatthefat wrote:
Maybe I'm not thinking about this right, and if so somebody can help me. But it seems to me like the ladder reset could introduce some problems.
An example, let's take 2 people in diamond - before the reset, one of them was rank 1 and playing against high diamond and master level players, the other was rank 100 playing against high platinum and low diamond level players. Assuming they had both been playing at this level for a while, each of their MMRs should have equilibrated to their level of opposition, and so they each won as often as they lost, and on average only gained points due to bonus pool.
After the reset, MMRs aren't changed, so in theory they should still be playing roughly the same level of opposition. But now both players are starting from zero points. So for the ex-rank 1 player to keep up with the ex-rank 100 player, they now have to score as well against masters as the other guy is doing against high plat / low diamond.
At first I thought things should even back out to where they were over time, but it seems to me like this is a steady state. Whether it's stable or unstable I have no idea.
TL DR; All players have now been put on the same number of points and are matched only against opponents of approximately the same strength. How do players become differentiated? The same way they did in season 1, it'll all balance out in time. If the rank 1 keeps winning against masters, then he'll just get promoted eventually. Or the lower of the two could get demoted, but either way they'll differentiate in time. If they both continue to win 50% of their games, they should in theory have the same # of points. But the high diamond guy will be much more skilled than the low diamond guy. It doesn't seem like it'd work out fairly. In season 1 everyone started with no MMR history. That's the big difference here.
Exactly. The differences in points in season 1 were attained while everyone attained their MMR. Everyone started off with the same MMR - those who won more often than others went to a higher MMR. But by the end of the season, there should have been no real difference in the rate at which players of different skill levels were increasing their score if they were playing at the same rate.
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On March 30 2011 12:10 pugowar wrote:
anyone else seeing really screwy scores? there is a guy in my division who has 40 points, but I look at his history and he won 1 game +21, then lost five in a row (each -13)...Im not sure how that adds up to 40 LOL
Yeah, it seems pretty buggy. There are several people in my division with points but zero wins.
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