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zende
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden234 Posts
March 29 2011 14:13 GMT
#21
So the higher MMR you have, do you get more points for each win? Like the top player should be getting lots of points in the beginning of the season while the lower players get less? Otherwise the players who play the most in these two weeks will get GM, not the best players..
Ignorant prodigy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States385 Posts
March 29 2011 14:16 GMT
#22
lol I thought it was happening today.. so I spent last night trying to get in the top 8..

I made it.. but now I gotta be worried about dropping out of the top 8.. looks like I have another night of starcraft ahead of me..

much to the shigrin of my wife I'm sure
http://www.twitch.tv/ignorantprodigy playing masters random with no hotkeys......big pimpin'
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
March 29 2011 14:16 GMT
#23
Since a lot of inactive players will be "purged" as they won't play their placement matches, will some players have to be demoted to maintain the ratio between the leagues?
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
March 29 2011 14:17 GMT
#24
On March 29 2011 23:11 solistus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 22:57 Jiddra wrote:
1) So new players with like 2000 in bonus will be faced with 0 in bonus tomorrow? Sounds kind of strange.


Why is that strange? Bonus pools exist to encourage more active play, not to encourage players to stop playing at the end of the season and save up bonus so they can have an advantage over everyone else in the new season. That would be an atrocious system.


A new player starting in the wrong time is punished, or am I missing something? Why have bonus for new players at all? Hon encouraged is the new player that gets his whole bonus pool reset to 0 before even being able to use it?
I am not young enough to know everything.
resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
March 29 2011 14:17 GMT
#25
On March 29 2011 23:13 zende wrote:
So the higher MMR you have, do you get more points for each win? Like the top player should be getting lots of points in the beginning of the season while the lower players get less? Otherwise the players who play the most in these two weeks will get GM, not the best players..


Well MMR carries over from s1 - so the guys at the very top of masters right now, will be placed back into masters in s2 and therefore be in a great position to push for GM league 2 weeks in.
Socke Fighting!!!!
Silmakuoppaanikinko
Profile Joined November 2010
799 Posts
March 29 2011 14:20 GMT
#26
On March 29 2011 23:17 Jiddra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 23:11 solistus wrote:
On March 29 2011 22:57 Jiddra wrote:
1) So new players with like 2000 in bonus will be faced with 0 in bonus tomorrow? Sounds kind of strange.


Why is that strange? Bonus pools exist to encourage more active play, not to encourage players to stop playing at the end of the season and save up bonus so they can have an advantage over everyone else in the new season. That would be an atrocious system.


A new player starting in the wrong time is punished, or am I missing something? Why have bonus for new players at all? Hon encouraged is the new player that gets his whole bonus pool reset to 0 before even being able to use it?
Your score is also reset, by the way your points and all that.
Workers and town centres are the ultimate counter to turtles.
vat0s
Profile Joined March 2011
France14 Posts
March 29 2011 14:21 GMT
#27
On March 29 2011 23:12 resilve wrote:
So is there antime that is the basis for when ladder placement is frozen for s1 (EU)? Will there be downtime at 3am till 11am or something?

Im in a kind of close position to stay top 8, and not feeling well today - so want to get away with minimum games to cover myself, and certainly dont want to be playing through to 5am or something to secure it >_<



what does it change in season 2 being top 8 in season 1 ?
gruntrush
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada134 Posts
March 29 2011 14:22 GMT
#28
I'm just at work here can't get on, but has the US ladder already reset?
Don't worry, That's halo
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 14:24:28
March 29 2011 14:23 GMT
#29
On March 29 2011 23:20 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 23:17 Jiddra wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:11 solistus wrote:
On March 29 2011 22:57 Jiddra wrote:
1) So new players with like 2000 in bonus will be faced with 0 in bonus tomorrow? Sounds kind of strange.


Why is that strange? Bonus pools exist to encourage more active play, not to encourage players to stop playing at the end of the season and save up bonus so they can have an advantage over everyone else in the new season. That would be an atrocious system.


A new player starting in the wrong time is punished, or am I missing something? Why have bonus for new players at all? Hon encouraged is the new player that gets his whole bonus pool reset to 0 before even being able to use it?
Your score is also reset, by the way your points and all that.


But a new player starting after the reset will get a huge bonus pool, while the new player that started 1 day before him has 0?
I am not young enough to know everything.
diLLa
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands247 Posts
March 29 2011 14:25 GMT
#30
On March 29 2011 23:23 Jiddra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 23:20 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:17 Jiddra wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:11 solistus wrote:
On March 29 2011 22:57 Jiddra wrote:
1) So new players with like 2000 in bonus will be faced with 0 in bonus tomorrow? Sounds kind of strange.


Why is that strange? Bonus pools exist to encourage more active play, not to encourage players to stop playing at the end of the season and save up bonus so they can have an advantage over everyone else in the new season. That would be an atrocious system.


A new player starting in the wrong time is punished, or am I missing something? Why have bonus for new players at all? Hon encouraged is the new player that gets his whole bonus pool reset to 0 before even being able to use it?
Your score is also reset, by the way your points and all that.


But a new player starting after the reset will get a huge bonus pool, while the new player that started 1 day before him has 0?


?? you don't get it do you..

EVERYONE has the reset of points and bonus pool, and EVERYONE will continue to build up the pool after the reset.
resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
March 29 2011 14:26 GMT
#31
On March 29 2011 23:21 vat0s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 23:12 resilve wrote:
So is there antime that is the basis for when ladder placement is frozen for s1 (EU)? Will there be downtime at 3am till 11am or something?

Im in a kind of close position to stay top 8, and not feeling well today - so want to get away with minimum games to cover myself, and certainly dont want to be playing through to 5am or something to secure it >_<



what does it change in season 2 being top 8 in season 1 ?


Nothing at all of importance, but in season 2 you get to keep the reward of where you finished season 1 (so top 8, top 24 etc) in a little "trophy cabinet" of your profile, afaik?

Socke Fighting!!!!
Dark-Storm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada334 Posts
March 29 2011 14:30 GMT
#32
Is it just the Bonus pool that got knocked down to 0

I thought the ladder points were gonna be reset as well
I don't have Pet Peeves. I have Major psychotic Fucking Hatreds
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 14:34:10
March 29 2011 14:32 GMT
#33
On March 29 2011 23:16 syllogism wrote:
Since a lot of inactive players will be "purged" as they won't play their placement matches, will some players have to be demoted to maintain the ratio between the leagues?


No the leagues are determined from the ACTIVE pool.

Suppose we have 100 players. 2 masters, 18 diamond, 20 plat, .... and half of each division goes inactive. We have active 1 master, 9 diamond, 10 plat, .. so on and so forth but in the divisions we still have 2/18/20/20.... because the inactive players will show up. Now imagine we get 50 new people who are all strictly worse than the lowest player. We again have 100 active players. The tops of each division will get moved on up the chain. The number of active players in each division will still be 2/18/20/20... but the active+inactive number in each division will be 3 (2 active 1 inactive)/ 27 (18 active 9 inactive)/ and so on. The only way for people to get mass demotions are for all of the inactive players to come back to activity, if this were to happen the lowest 1/9/10/10/10... players would be demoted down.

I suppose it's possible that there will be increased activity from previously inactive players because of the reset and as a result there will be some demotions but it is not as bad as if blizzard made the league cutoffs based on active+inactive membership.
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
March 29 2011 14:34 GMT
#34
On March 29 2011 23:25 diLLa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 23:23 Jiddra wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:20 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:17 Jiddra wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:11 solistus wrote:
On March 29 2011 22:57 Jiddra wrote:
1) So new players with like 2000 in bonus will be faced with 0 in bonus tomorrow? Sounds kind of strange.


Why is that strange? Bonus pools exist to encourage more active play, not to encourage players to stop playing at the end of the season and save up bonus so they can have an advantage over everyone else in the new season. That would be an atrocious system.


A new player starting in the wrong time is punished, or am I missing something? Why have bonus for new players at all? Hon encouraged is the new player that gets his whole bonus pool reset to 0 before even being able to use it?
Your score is also reset, by the way your points and all that.


But a new player starting after the reset will get a huge bonus pool, while the new player that started 1 day before him has 0?


?? you don't get it do you..

EVERYONE has the reset of points and bonus pool, and EVERYONE will continue to build up the pool after the reset.


And? You mean that new players that start after the reset will not get huge bonuspools, like before the reset?
I am not young enough to know everything.
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
March 29 2011 14:36 GMT
#35
On March 29 2011 23:34 Jiddra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 23:25 diLLa wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:23 Jiddra wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:20 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:17 Jiddra wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:11 solistus wrote:
On March 29 2011 22:57 Jiddra wrote:
1) So new players with like 2000 in bonus will be faced with 0 in bonus tomorrow? Sounds kind of strange.


Why is that strange? Bonus pools exist to encourage more active play, not to encourage players to stop playing at the end of the season and save up bonus so they can have an advantage over everyone else in the new season. That would be an atrocious system.


A new player starting in the wrong time is punished, or am I missing something? Why have bonus for new players at all? Hon encouraged is the new player that gets his whole bonus pool reset to 0 before even being able to use it?
Your score is also reset, by the way your points and all that.


But a new player starting after the reset will get a huge bonus pool, while the new player that started 1 day before him has 0?


?? you don't get it do you..

EVERYONE has the reset of points and bonus pool, and EVERYONE will continue to build up the pool after the reset.


And? You mean that new players that start after the reset will not get huge bonuspools, like before the reset?


No they will get bonus pool points counting from today onwards not from release to today.
RudePlague
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Great Britain113 Posts
March 29 2011 14:39 GMT
#36
On March 29 2011 23:34 Jiddra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 23:25 diLLa wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:23 Jiddra wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:20 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:17 Jiddra wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:11 solistus wrote:
On March 29 2011 22:57 Jiddra wrote:
1) So new players with like 2000 in bonus will be faced with 0 in bonus tomorrow? Sounds kind of strange.


Why is that strange? Bonus pools exist to encourage more active play, not to encourage players to stop playing at the end of the season and save up bonus so they can have an advantage over everyone else in the new season. That would be an atrocious system.


A new player starting in the wrong time is punished, or am I missing something? Why have bonus for new players at all? Hon encouraged is the new player that gets his whole bonus pool reset to 0 before even being able to use it?
Your score is also reset, by the way your points and all that.


But a new player starting after the reset will get a huge bonus pool, while the new player that started 1 day before him has 0?


?? you don't get it do you..

EVERYONE has the reset of points and bonus pool, and EVERYONE will continue to build up the pool after the reset.


And? You mean that new players that start after the reset will not get huge bonuspools, like before the reset?


Everyone has the same total (spent+unspent) bonus pool, it's based on time since the last ladder reset (or start of the ladder for season 1). So it resets to zero for everyone. The reason new players were getting huge bonus pools recently was because the overall bonus pool had built up before they had joined.

Nobody will be disadvantaged by the reset.
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
March 29 2011 14:39 GMT
#37
On March 29 2011 23:36 revy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 23:34 Jiddra wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:25 diLLa wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:23 Jiddra wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:20 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:17 Jiddra wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:11 solistus wrote:
On March 29 2011 22:57 Jiddra wrote:
1) So new players with like 2000 in bonus will be faced with 0 in bonus tomorrow? Sounds kind of strange.


Why is that strange? Bonus pools exist to encourage more active play, not to encourage players to stop playing at the end of the season and save up bonus so they can have an advantage over everyone else in the new season. That would be an atrocious system.


A new player starting in the wrong time is punished, or am I missing something? Why have bonus for new players at all? Hon encouraged is the new player that gets his whole bonus pool reset to 0 before even being able to use it?
Your score is also reset, by the way your points and all that.


But a new player starting after the reset will get a huge bonus pool, while the new player that started 1 day before him has 0?


?? you don't get it do you..

EVERYONE has the reset of points and bonus pool, and EVERYONE will continue to build up the pool after the reset.


And? You mean that new players that start after the reset will not get huge bonuspools, like before the reset?


No they will get bonus pool points counting from today onwards not from release to today.


Gracia! So bonuspool is calculated from ladderstart to when players enter the ladder, then it all makes sense.
I am not young enough to know everything.
vat0s
Profile Joined March 2011
France14 Posts
March 29 2011 14:43 GMT
#38
On March 29 2011 23:26 resilve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 23:21 vat0s wrote:
On March 29 2011 23:12 resilve wrote:
So is there antime that is the basis for when ladder placement is frozen for s1 (EU)? Will there be downtime at 3am till 11am or something?

Im in a kind of close position to stay top 8, and not feeling well today - so want to get away with minimum games to cover myself, and certainly dont want to be playing through to 5am or something to secure it >_<



what does it change in season 2 being top 8 in season 1 ?


Nothing at all of importance, but in season 2 you get to keep the reward of where you finished season 1 (so top 8, top 24 etc) in a little "trophy cabinet" of your profile, afaik?



oh ok its pretty much useless then, i thought i'd win a new icon or something :p
Vizzle
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany2 Posts
March 29 2011 14:48 GMT
#39
so i still dont understand what he bonuspool is for?!
soory that i have to ask but i never thought about the bonuspool ( not playing that much)
what will change for a casual player like me after the reset?
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 29 2011 14:49 GMT
#40
I think its so stupid that MMR stays the same, the only point in resetting ladder is to wipe bonus pool then.

If someone ever wants to switch races they're pretty much not allowed to without losing 100 games as the new race first, thats such aw aste of time.
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