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On March 24 2011 15:42 Nimic wrote:
The rank does take into account inactivity. Indirectly, with bonus points. If they're a thousand points ahead of you, they've either played a lot more games than you or they're a lot better than you. If you were as good as them and had played as many games as them, you would almost certainly be ahead, since they would miss out on a lot of new bonus pool.
I agree with this. Inactive players do lose points, through unspent bonus pool.
Whether that's a better solution than losing points for inactivity, I don't know. But both would be too much I think.
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On March 25 2011 00:54 DeamonMachine wrote:
There should be NO loss of points for inactivity.
For this reason: If Idra stopped playing for 3 months, and got bumped down to say Silver (spectulation) then how would that be fair for the silver players who had to get stomped by idra making his way back to the top. How would it be fair for any of the active players to basically be given losses because they get paired with a Grand Master level player who has been gone.
That is one of the biggest reasons they shouldn't do the decay.
no one is saying if you quit you should be brought back to the bottom. But you should also not be
rewarded because of your earlier play. I would be happy if the rating/hidden mmr stayed exactly where it was point wise, so at least you would have to play to continue to move up. Instead of your rank points staying the same and your hidden mmr raising with everyone else you used to play vs.
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Pretty on-sided poll results. Looks like most everyone is not interested in having any point "decay" and a good number are happy just with bonus pool.
I do like the bonus pool system. And though I didn't play wc3 it seems like most people prefer bonus pool to the decay system.
However, I still seem to think there should be some way for it to account for activity, but I am not sure what. And I am definitely not talking about a few days or a week or two, but 10 weeks? 21 weeks? Still seems like it should account for that.
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Well you do get dropped out of the Grand Master League if your bonus pool gets bigger than ~1-2 weeks of not playing.
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On March 24 2011 15:38 Toxin451 wrote:
It seems to me that division rank should take into account player activity?
It does. It's called bonus pool.
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no because if u dont have internet for some inevitable reason then its not really ur fault even if u still want to play (in my case i havent played for 1.5 months cuz my parents blocked the internet on my laptop T_T. bringing my laptop to school for the next week or so to play in class so i dont die of sc deprivation :D)
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In Master and Grandmaster League, maybe but others no..
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There should be no decay, and there should be no bonus pool.
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On March 24 2011 16:39 Drazzzt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 16:22 TzTz wrote:
inactive = not using bonus pool = losing points relative to active players... Exactly. If the inactive guy still has 1000 points more than you even though he is not using his bonus pool, he is better than you.
thats actually a good point
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I could understand having your points decay overtime if you take a bunch of time away from the game. You earn bonus pool overtime which would just simply counter it, instead of almost being rewarded for not playing as much.
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I'd rather see blizzard reset league every few months than giving negative points for inactivity
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If what I've read is true and the season will only be 3 months, I personally wish they'd just remove bonus pool all together. I mean what's going to happen, someone is going to get to +1k pts in a month and be considered inactive since he didn't play the following 2 months?
Personally I just feel those 3 months is short enough that it really doesn't matter, since getting to the top will take long enough that you can't really be considered inactive just from 1 season.
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I dont care about points, but I dont want to get demoted for inactivity. As each league is supposed to hold +/- 20% of the population, I like the idea that, once I reach diamond (or master, for the next season), I can stop playing ladder and prevent someone else from getting in.
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since there is point inflation its unimportant, even with a 50% winrate you will leave inactiv people behind you. And like every elo you shouldn't lose points just because you don't play games that would affect your elo. You will rapidly lose elo if you start playing again if you have been inactiv, or since you trained super hard you will gain it super fast.
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On March 24 2011 15:38 Toxin451 wrote:
It seems to me that division rank should take into account player activity? What do you think?
The Bonus Pool system already does this.
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Bonus encourages you to play. Blizzard smartly realizes you can't play all the time (or perhaps shouldn't). They don't want to punish or discourage you from having to play all the time. If you take a week off or more from playing for whatever reason you're at a disadvantage for the rest of a season and have less incentive to continue laddering. They want you to play of course, but real life and other games happen.
I wouldn't mind however if MMR decayed, so when you do come back you don't get trounced for 10 games then get demoted because you're rusty. That would of course require unification of ladders to make them continuous.
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I think that if you are inactive for a long stretch of time (Maybe a couple moths), you should be removed from the league, keeping your MMR. Then when you decide to come back, you play one "Placement Match" and get slotted back in.
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no cuz i'd be in bronze o.o i could see an argument for masters... but otherwise no :D
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I think that once you get your bonus pool below a certain point there should be a cap on it. I know that would encourage me not to let my bonus pool build so high. it might be tricky to impliment to not hurt new players come in with smaller pools though. I'm thinking a cap of between 200 and 500 bonus pool once you have gotten your pool below that number would be effective.
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On March 24 2011 16:29 PanzerKing wrote:
Hell no, I've been sitting on my 1337 point diamond league rating since like a month before they implemented the master's league, do you know how many games i had to throw to get it to line up that precisely before I retired? =(
hahaha I'm seriously considering doing this now and then never playing another ladder game.
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