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On March 22 2011 20:35 meRz wrote:
I can't believe they changed Tal Darim?
What could possibly motivate that, it's like they're saying "Well okay we'll implent 1 GSL map, but we have to make non-sense changes just because otherwise we had nothing to do with this map". Ridiculous.
Because they're catering to players of all divisions, not just the master league. A lesser player won't understand the intricacies of taking a 1 gas, 750 per mineral patch expansion.
People are acting as if they've completely ruined the map, which just isn't true. You should be happy they implemented a map that's actually good instead of crying because of a small change.
You can still play the original map. It's called a "custom game," have you heard of it?
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Cool changes, shot blizz :D
Especially excited about tal darim alter.. that map looks sick.
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I'm confused, so many people don't veto DQ but Typhon?
for me (Zerg) it's pretty obvious: I'm gonna veto Slag, Backwater and DQ
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On March 22 2011 20:40 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2011 20:35 meRz wrote:
I can't believe they changed Tal Darim?
What could possibly motivate that, it's like they're saying "Well okay we'll implent 1 GSL map, but we have to make non-sense changes just because otherwise we had nothing to do with this map". Ridiculous. Because they're catering to players of all divisions, not just the master league. A lesser player won't understand the intricacies of taking a 1 gas, 750 per mineral patch expansion. People are acting as if they've completely ruined the map, which just isn't true. You should be happy they implemented a map that's actually good instead of crying because of a small change. You can still play the original map. It's called a "custom game," have you heard of it?
No please enlighten me to what this phenomen so called "custom game" is?! Lay off the cocky attitude :<
The changes makes no sense, catering to players of all divisions? Well they're not really catering to anyone right now because believe it or not, even Bronze/Silver/Whatever plays tournaments and they use the GSL version. You're gonna be laddering and making builds/timings/whatnot on the ladder version and then you're screwed if you wind up in a tournament thats using the GSL version.
"You should be happy they implemented a map that's actually good instead of crying because of a small change." Wait so I should be happy that they took a perfectly fine map and changed it just for the sake of????
No.
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On March 22 2011 20:46 meRz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2011 20:40 SolHeiM wrote:On March 22 2011 20:35 meRz wrote:
I can't believe they changed Tal Darim?
What could possibly motivate that, it's like they're saying "Well okay we'll implent 1 GSL map, but we have to make non-sense changes just because otherwise we had nothing to do with this map". Ridiculous. Because they're catering to players of all divisions, not just the master league. A lesser player won't understand the intricacies of taking a 1 gas, 750 per mineral patch expansion. People are acting as if they've completely ruined the map, which just isn't true. You should be happy they implemented a map that's actually good instead of crying because of a small change. You can still play the original map. It's called a "custom game," have you heard of it? No please enlighten me to what this phenomen so called "custom game" is?! Lay off the cocky attitude :< The changes makes no sense, catering to players of all divisions? Well they're not really catering to anyone right now because believe it or not, even Bronze/Silver/Whatever plays tournaments and they use the GSL version. You're gonna be laddering and making builds/timings/whatnot on the ladder version and then you're screwed if you wind up in a tournament thats using the GSL version. "You should be happy they implemented a map that's actually good instead of crying because of a small change." Wait so I should be happy that they took a perfectly fine map and changed it just for the sake of???? No.
I'm sorry, but in what world do you live in where Bronze/Silver/Gold/Platinum practice build orders and regularly practice on the GSL maps? The majority of the players do not actually hang out on this website and they play whatever maps are available on the ladder. If there is all of a sudden a complicated mechanic that isn't consistent with the rest of the ladder maps, the lesser players won't understand the reason.
You don't seem to realize that the majority of the players in this game are actually not in Masters League.
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On March 22 2011 20:53 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2011 20:46 meRz wrote:On March 22 2011 20:40 SolHeiM wrote:On March 22 2011 20:35 meRz wrote:
I can't believe they changed Tal Darim?
What could possibly motivate that, it's like they're saying "Well okay we'll implent 1 GSL map, but we have to make non-sense changes just because otherwise we had nothing to do with this map". Ridiculous. Because they're catering to players of all divisions, not just the master league. A lesser player won't understand the intricacies of taking a 1 gas, 750 per mineral patch expansion. People are acting as if they've completely ruined the map, which just isn't true. You should be happy they implemented a map that's actually good instead of crying because of a small change. You can still play the original map. It's called a "custom game," have you heard of it? No please enlighten me to what this phenomen so called "custom game" is?! Lay off the cocky attitude :< The changes makes no sense, catering to players of all divisions? Well they're not really catering to anyone right now because believe it or not, even Bronze/Silver/Whatever plays tournaments and they use the GSL version. You're gonna be laddering and making builds/timings/whatnot on the ladder version and then you're screwed if you wind up in a tournament thats using the GSL version. "You should be happy they implemented a map that's actually good instead of crying because of a small change." Wait so I should be happy that they took a perfectly fine map and changed it just for the sake of???? No. I'm sorry, but in what world do you live in where Bronze/Silver/Gold/Platinum practice build orders and regularly practice on the GSL maps? The majority of the players do not actually hang out on this website and they play whatever maps are available on the ladder. If there is all of a sudden a complicated mechanic that isn't consistent with the rest of the ladder maps, the lesser players won't understand the reason. You don't seem to realize that the majority of the players in this game are actually not in Masters League.
Uhm, by your logic then. It still shouldn't make any difference seeing how they'll face players of equal skill and none of them will understand it, thus they don't take damage of it anyhow. I don't see the reason babysitting bronze/silver/gold/plat to this extent. As long as you're equally matched it shouldn't play any huge role. Also, why should they be "protected" from things like these instead of introduced to it? I'd say it's a lot better to just introduce the mechanic, let them hear about it/figure it out themselves and learn from it. No instead we dumb the map down because obviously those bronze players out there sure would be confused!
Also your first paragraph, that's exactly my point! These guys don't do custom games and practice GSL maps, so they'll only be comfortable playing at the ladder version, whereas in any tournament i'd be really surprised if they weren't using the GSL one over this one.
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On March 22 2011 20:53 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2011 20:46 meRz wrote:On March 22 2011 20:40 SolHeiM wrote:On March 22 2011 20:35 meRz wrote:
I can't believe they changed Tal Darim?
What could possibly motivate that, it's like they're saying "Well okay we'll implent 1 GSL map, but we have to make non-sense changes just because otherwise we had nothing to do with this map". Ridiculous. Because they're catering to players of all divisions, not just the master league. A lesser player won't understand the intricacies of taking a 1 gas, 750 per mineral patch expansion. People are acting as if they've completely ruined the map, which just isn't true. You should be happy they implemented a map that's actually good instead of crying because of a small change. You can still play the original map. It's called a "custom game," have you heard of it? No please enlighten me to what this phenomen so called "custom game" is?! Lay off the cocky attitude :< The changes makes no sense, catering to players of all divisions? Well they're not really catering to anyone right now because believe it or not, even Bronze/Silver/Whatever plays tournaments and they use the GSL version. You're gonna be laddering and making builds/timings/whatnot on the ladder version and then you're screwed if you wind up in a tournament thats using the GSL version. "You should be happy they implemented a map that's actually good instead of crying because of a small change." Wait so I should be happy that they took a perfectly fine map and changed it just for the sake of???? No. I'm sorry, but in what world do you live in where Bronze/Silver/Gold/Platinum practice build orders and regularly practice on the GSL maps? The majority of the players do not actually hang out on this website and they play whatever maps are available on the ladder. If there is all of a sudden a complicated mechanic that isn't consistent with the rest of the ladder maps, the lesser players won't understand the reason. You don't seem to realize that the majority of the players in this game are actually not in Masters League.
Who cares?
The majority of soccer players aren't in Liverpool or Chelsea. They still play on grass, use same dimensions and the same goals and the same footballs.
It is a nonsensical change and there's no underlying principle to motivate it.
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Finally, an encouraging step towards the right direction.
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Lol Blizzard introducing a GSL map but placing rocks onto the third....I might kill a kitten today.
Yes, I think it's gonna happen. Oh my, the stupidity, it's beyond me.
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On March 22 2011 21:05 ParasitJonte wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2011 20:53 SolHeiM wrote:On March 22 2011 20:46 meRz wrote:On March 22 2011 20:40 SolHeiM wrote:On March 22 2011 20:35 meRz wrote:
I can't believe they changed Tal Darim?
What could possibly motivate that, it's like they're saying "Well okay we'll implent 1 GSL map, but we have to make non-sense changes just because otherwise we had nothing to do with this map". Ridiculous. Because they're catering to players of all divisions, not just the master league. A lesser player won't understand the intricacies of taking a 1 gas, 750 per mineral patch expansion. People are acting as if they've completely ruined the map, which just isn't true. You should be happy they implemented a map that's actually good instead of crying because of a small change. You can still play the original map. It's called a "custom game," have you heard of it? No please enlighten me to what this phenomen so called "custom game" is?! Lay off the cocky attitude :< The changes makes no sense, catering to players of all divisions? Well they're not really catering to anyone right now because believe it or not, even Bronze/Silver/Whatever plays tournaments and they use the GSL version. You're gonna be laddering and making builds/timings/whatnot on the ladder version and then you're screwed if you wind up in a tournament thats using the GSL version. "You should be happy they implemented a map that's actually good instead of crying because of a small change." Wait so I should be happy that they took a perfectly fine map and changed it just for the sake of???? No. I'm sorry, but in what world do you live in where Bronze/Silver/Gold/Platinum practice build orders and regularly practice on the GSL maps? The majority of the players do not actually hang out on this website and they play whatever maps are available on the ladder. If there is all of a sudden a complicated mechanic that isn't consistent with the rest of the ladder maps, the lesser players won't understand the reason. You don't seem to realize that the majority of the players in this game are actually not in Masters League. Who cares? The majority of soccer players aren't in Liverpool or Chelsea. They still play on grass, use same dimensions and the same goals and the same footballs. It is a nonsensical change and there's no underlying principle to motivate it.
How can you compare a sport that has been around for hundreds of years to a video game that hasn't even been out for a year?
There are large and small rinks in Ice Hockey, in Sweden we have larger rinks than they do in the NHL (or it's the other way around, I don't really know), for some reason. The ladder and whatever maps they play on tournaments are different because the average player doesn't want or care about the intricacies a "tournament map" according to our standards should have.
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am i the only one thinking that tanks are gna rape my mineral line now on shakuras?
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1000 posts and still can't use the upload image feature? Nice map changes though... Definitely a fan.
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On March 22 2011 20:40 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2011 20:35 meRz wrote:
I can't believe they changed Tal Darim?
What could possibly motivate that, it's like they're saying "Well okay we'll implent 1 GSL map, but we have to make non-sense changes just because otherwise we had nothing to do with this map". Ridiculous. Because they're catering to players of all divisions, not just the master league. A lesser player won't understand the intricacies of taking a 1 gas, 750 per mineral patch expansion. People are acting as if they've completely ruined the map, which just isn't true. You should be happy they implemented a map that's actually good instead of crying because of a small change. You can still play the original map. It's called a "custom game," have you heard of it?
Yea I'm sure all low level players would have been unable to play a game on that map out of sheer confusion at a base with less minerals....seriously low level player =/= fucking retard its not hard to do a cost / benefit analysis of taking a base thats easier but has less money.
And yes it's a minor change but I'm just really annoyed with the idea of a bunch of unbelievably horrible map makers who delivered gems like DQ, steppes, jungle, blistering, desert oasis, slag pits, and backwater gulch thinking they should be modifying maps made by people who are clearly 1000x better at map making.
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I like the changes to shakuras - it's got a bit more flanking area now, rather than the crazy backdoor push junk.
@Tal'darim, I really don't understand why blizzard feels ALL BASES MUST BE 8MIN+2GAS.
Or why well defended thirds should be blocked by rocks, for that matter. It was a better map before they touched it, and now it's just got an asston of resources and promotes turtling on 3base rather than "2 and a half easy bases easy to defend, but if you can you'd prefer taking an external third"
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A lot of people are being unnecessarily negative here. These changes are 100% a step in the right direction and I'm pretty surprised they listened to our complaints.
It is obviously still not perfect but damn people, please try to be happy when something good happens.
I really hope they put Terminus RE in the mappool at some point though. Love this map.
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I really don't understand why Blizzard would take a GREAT map and deliberately make it worse. God if their reason is to limit the complexity for lower leagues then KEEP THE MAP IN LOWER LEAGUES!
On a positive note I'm glad they kept in SP, and the changes look to be an improvement.
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Some weeks ago I could never imagine Blizzard adding a GSL map to the map pool, so I'm very pleasantly surprised.
With so many maps, I'd really appreciate a 4th veto though.
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On March 22 2011 21:42 setzer wrote:
I really don't understand why Blizzard would take a GREAT map and deliberately make it worse. God if their reason is to limit the complexity for lower leagues then KEEP THE MAP IN LOWER LEAGUES!
Indeed it's getting to a point where the claim that Blizz is intentionally screwing with us gets more and more grounds....I mean, the mapmakers at Blizz "can't" possibly so ignorant/stupid thinking that this would be actually an improvement? Is this humanly possible even?
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I think it's pretty unbelievable how negative some people are being. The Map pool has got better and yet people are still complaining.
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On March 22 2011 21:47 Candles wrote:
I think it's pretty unbelievable how negative some people are being. The Map pool has got better and yet people are still complaining.
If somebody punches you in the face, are you thankful if he pays you a drink afterwards?
The map pool is still polluted by maps like slag pits and delta quadrant, and backwater gulch is still awful, despite being a bit better now.
The only good thing about adding tal darim altar is, that Blizz has obviously started to realize, that they are actually incapable of making good maps and leave it up to the community. Which is a good thing, but pretty much the only good thing about the current mappool.
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