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Striding Strider
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom787 Posts
March 21 2011 18:19 GMT
#141
No such thing as talent. Just different experiences that can be applied to a given situation. Practice and a degree of intelligence is all you need.
I have a beard. I'm unprofessional.
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 21 2011 18:20 GMT
#142
I never like talking about talent since it always implies someone is better because he got luckier in the genetics lotto. I think you should always relate succes and failure to yourself.
I think esports is pretty nice.
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 18:21:47
March 21 2011 18:20 GMT
#143
On March 22 2011 03:06 Poopi wrote:
I think until the very very top good training & dedication is what you need.
Then it comes to talent.


while true ,"talent" effects you at all levels. its the difference between someone who plays 80games a week and practices hard and is at top platinum and someone who plays 10 games a week and easily hangs in mid-top masters.


dont wanna sound cocky but i think i can see it at myself. i rarely really play, my bonuspool keeps piling up constantly ,i even had a 2 month full break from sc2 but i still can hang rather easily in the top ~1k of my server(judging from added bonus pool + the level of the people i play against) and beat my clanmates which have 3-4 times as much games played + way way more customs.


but maybe thats just related to my bw backround and that i somewhat "get" starcraft because of that.
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TrainFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States469 Posts
March 21 2011 18:21 GMT
#144
idrA is the classic example of hard work paying off, from playing BGH to Korea...
Phayze
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2029 Posts
March 21 2011 18:23 GMT
#145
Yep it's all training time. Everyone has hands and fingers, as long as they still work imo you can do it.
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Neverplay
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria532 Posts
March 21 2011 18:24 GMT
#146
i think everybody can get to the top with hard work and practice but to be one of the worldst best u probably need to have some talent.
Better light a candle than curse the darkness
legatus legionis
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands559 Posts
March 21 2011 18:47 GMT
#147
The topic is interesting but it makes for a poor debate. The majority of responses are gonna be statements most of which have a bit of a self gratifying motive in them.

For one you cannot refute the training part. If it wouldn't require training, you wouldn't need to play to be good. If you don't play you can't be good at playing because you aren't playing.
The talent part brings in a bunch of issues in that its very ambiguous. There has to be a much more defined and specific point to be able to actually take the referred meaning into account.

Which brings me to my final point. What defines good? What defines skill? At which moment can we start to draw conclusions? When you limit this too much you are throwing away the possibility that the realization of the answer lies beyond what you take into consideration.
phantaxx
Profile Joined May 2010
United States201 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 18:53:25
March 21 2011 18:47 GMT
#148
I'm surprised at how many people say that there is no natural skill, to me it seems to make sense that playing starcraft well requires mental abilities like logic which some will just be better than others at. Kinda like how some people are naturally better at math, and some are naturally better at music, etc. Obviously training is a huge factor in how good someone is in starcraft, as it is in all other subjects.
DuckS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States845 Posts
March 21 2011 18:55 GMT
#149
There seems to be a talent of some kind, that lures about. Sure, you can train hard, but I feel that there is just some form of natural talent. I have a team mate of mine, not on too often, barely any prior rts knowledge/games, same amount of games as me. He rapes it up, and is actually one of the better players of the team. Now, using myself as an example, i'm on daily, a few years of SC:BW and about 6-7 years of WC3, and come no where close to his skill. Not to take away from the work he does put in, but he still flat out rapes me, despite me putting in more effort.

Call it what you want, but I do believe there are both skill and talent in this game.
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Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
March 21 2011 18:57 GMT
#150
There are many interrelated factors in playing the game well. Analytical problem solving ability is important, and it's an area where I'm pretty strong, but in Starcraft it's often negated by being impulsive and doing things like just A-moving to see what happens because I'm not 100% sure, though I may have a bad feeling.

I think in my own case I have a specific problem with just not caring that much about the outcome of any particular match. I think this kind of thing can be good for keeping practice going, but over the long run it may result in being undermotivated.
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Deadlyhazard
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1177 Posts
March 21 2011 19:03 GMT
#151
Honestly, it's like art. It's mostly hard work. Talent plays a very small role, and doesn't determine whether you'll become a professional or not. Whether you become the next Rembrandt or not is determined by a mixture of talent and extremely hard work. Extremely hard....

I'd say it's the same with StarCraft. To be the next Jaedong, you're going to have to give up everything in your life (friends, etc) for awhile to train up to his level. Of course if you just want to be professional, you can have time for friends....possibly...............maybe not.
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Omgzpwnd
Profile Joined May 2010
Poland59 Posts
March 21 2011 19:05 GMT
#152
I think its the combination of skill(aka time invested) AND some part of talent. Simply some people are undecisive/they stress alot, some people learn things faster than the other ones. Some people who trained 1 year can beat people who trained for few years.
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
March 21 2011 19:06 GMT
#153
10% talent and 90% work. hard work alone will get you to be a pro, but that 10% is what defines who the best is.
Diderick
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands298 Posts
March 21 2011 19:13 GMT
#154
If you want to be a pro you need a combination of a lot of training, some talent and intelligence.
GhostBusters
Profile Joined July 2010
United States198 Posts
March 21 2011 19:13 GMT
#155
I would say natural talent does come into play, i'm high diamond with no RTS experience before and about 250wins. But i know some ppl have like 500 wins and still aren't diamond.

Just my 2 cents.


FYI by.flash actually WAS born with a gauss rifle.
Yut, bellybuttons.
dmillz
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada270 Posts
March 21 2011 19:14 GMT
#156
On March 22 2011 04:06 JiYan wrote:
10% talent and 90% work. hard work alone will get you to be a pro, but that 10% is what defines who the best is.


Pretty much this!
theBullFrog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States515 Posts
March 21 2011 19:15 GMT
#157
If you understand the fundamentals of learning, nothing can stop you. You think Korean's got good cuz their asian? they got good, as idra said multiple times, because they train all day, refining their builds. Get coaching to help speed up the process, but you gotta play daily.
thebullfrog
Cain0
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom608 Posts
March 21 2011 19:18 GMT
#158
99% training, 1% natural in my opinion. But if everyone is training 12 hours a day at the highest levels, that 1% means a lot.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
March 21 2011 19:21 GMT
#159
...search. There's has been sooOooOOoo many discussions on the topic that its starting to go abit out of control. Its partly talents, and partly just raw practice, and that's all there is to it. Period.
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PokePill
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
March 21 2011 19:25 GMT
#160
Hard to believe all the responses in this thread.

Yea guys, success directly correlates to how hard you work. Therefore those who are mediocre don't work as hard as those who succeed. Those who make it to the NBA and escaped poverty worked the hardest. The people who are rich are those that sacrificed the most. The best SC2 players are the ones that train the hardest. Right. Everything is a choice and those who choose to be mediocre are simply lazy.
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