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On March 15 2011 04:53 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 04:48 Icx wrote:
Okay then I am wrong.
I was under the impression that people already realized that for 5mins maximum of your time to get that you can watch GSL by just clicking the go live button compared to having to search threads everytime for a vlc link Well, I think many people can't or won't choose to use the GOM player either by choice or by the fact they have an incompatible OS, so they try to find an alternative VLC link to compensate. Until recently, it took a bit of work to generate a unique VLC link, and it was much more convenient to go around on the IRC or look up the consistently made Reddit LR threads for the VLC links that other people had generated. edits: I'm really tired from pulling an all-nighter to study for a final, so I may have tons of grammatical errors in my posts.
I got this from Reddit, which generates a link for only your account. I think this would bypass the problem GOM is having with load balance and allow Mac/Linux users to watch until a Mac GOM Player is created. They shut any VLC link usage down, however, which is massively disappointing, considering that I was connecting legitimately through my own account.
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On March 15 2011 05:04 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
I don't get why people hate the GOM player. I just downloaded it to watch the GSL from time to time. Its pretty harmless otherwise.
Did you not read the OP? Did you not read the message at the top of the thread heeding everyone to read the OP before they posted?
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As a mac user who watches the VODs mostly (too early to watch GSL live) except on Saturdays when it starts much earlier I'm not too affected by this. However, as a paying user of all seasons of GSL thus far and of the GSTL, I don't think mac users can expect anything out of GOM any time soon. Since the first GSL, the whole "GOMtv for mac is coming up soon" sign in their page has been there. And while some users have kindly helped us to watch GSL via the VLC player for mac, GOM has yet to even set up an official plug in or anything. They actually disabled the streaming via the GOM for mac player.
So, the situation of them allowing mac users to watch without any external help is grim to say the least. But mac users not paying for tickets won't really mean too much of a loss for them, or at least I don't think so. It's just a shame they don't stay true to Blizzard's way of doing things. All of their games have been available for every platform, regardless of the use percentage of a given OS. I think it would have been nice if GOM, whose league has Blizzard as a sponsor/partner (correct me if I'm wrong), had done the same with their software.
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On March 15 2011 05:04 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
I don't get why people hate the GOM player. I just downloaded it to watch the GSL from time to time. Its pretty harmless otherwise.
I don't hate it, but I don't watch SC2 the way I watched BW in part because of it. I like watching streams and I like watching particular streamers who do fun little things in between games.
I still think it's dumb that Gretech doesn't allow any kind of restream and charges for replays. I also think that running a league in that way is going to ensure that GSL won't have the longevity that the MSL and OSL had in the west. It's only saving grace is the fact that Blizzard is spreading SC2 out over a period of four or five years with expansions.
But yeah, if Gretech just allowed for restreams these kinds of problems wouldn't exist. By the way, if I was one of the Mac or Linux users who's being effect by this I'd simply email Gretech and post on their forums letting them know that you won't be buying next season's ticket if the problem isn't fixed. If enough people do it then maybe that'll be enough of an incentive for them to create some kind of workable Mac fix.
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On March 15 2011 05:05 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 04:53 eviltomahawk wrote:On March 15 2011 04:48 Icx wrote:
Okay then I am wrong.
I was under the impression that people already realized that for 5mins maximum of your time to get that you can watch GSL by just clicking the go live button compared to having to search threads everytime for a vlc link Well, I think many people can't or won't choose to use the GOM player either by choice or by the fact they have an incompatible OS, so they try to find an alternative VLC link to compensate. Until recently, it took a bit of work to generate a unique VLC link, and it was much more convenient to go around on the IRC or look up the consistently made Reddit LR threads for the VLC links that other people had generated. edits: I'm really tired from pulling an all-nighter to study for a final, so I may have tons of grammatical errors in my posts. I got this from Reddit, which generates a link for only your account. I think this would bypass the problem GOM is having with load balance and allow Mac/Linux users to watch until a Mac GOM Player is created. They shut any VLC link usage down, however, which is massively disappointing, considering that I was connecting legitimately through my own account.
I tried using this link this morning, it was also blocked.
Having spent my money every season buying into Tasteless' "help support the stream" speeches, I found it very discouraging that the few times I was back at my parents' house I could not watch live on a Mac.
Fine, I told myself, I will use VLC. Now that is being blocked actively. The unfortunate nature of this is that on GOM's site it clearly states that live streaming will only work for windows users. At the end of the day, correct business decision or not, GOM decided to shit on their supporters. Dreamhack, MLG, IEM, and (I assume) the upcoming NASL have had no problems making their live content viewable to all OSs. How could the self-proclaimed pinnacle of eSports not ensure all potential fans/viewers have the ability to follow- let alone those who are paying for that ability?
As a sign of protest, I will no longer heed Tastsosis' requests to twitter about GSL. Instead, I intend to hashtag VLC.
EDIT; is anyone aware of why the streamer actually does not work for MAC/Linux users? I have a hard time believing after this many seasons that they still haven't figured it out
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I use mac and I will just use a restream, however they keep blocking that too so I guess I'l just have to stop paying since they don't want my money.
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On March 15 2011 04:37 Centorian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 04:14 dogmeatstew wrote:On March 15 2011 04:06 how2TL wrote:On March 15 2011 03:00 dogmeatstew wrote:Firstly, I'm not sure why there's so much uproar about incompatibility between a given companies software and unix based operating systems... this isn't exactly something new. With the exception of Blizzard (and very recently select Valve games) the gaming community is generally subject to "have a Microsoft developed operating system of you're out of luck". As such, it shocks me a little that on a site dedicated to gaming we're having a discussion about how terrible it is that GOM doesn't have mac or linux support for their product. Honestly, in the software world this is pretty common, its a lot of extra coding to make your product cross compatible for what continues to be a very small audience (especially in the gaming community...). On the other hand, there are some pretty easy workarounds that haven't been mentioned, for Linux users, try using Wine, with a fairly basic understanding of the linux architecture you can get the GOM player running through this no issue on *almost* every major linux distro (for some reason I feel like Wine doesn't work on Suse but I could be crazy...). Otherwise, VM's are always an option... As for Mac users, if you're not willing to use a windows VM or have an alternate OS installed for the purposes of running incompatible software then realistically you can't be that dedicated to running a large percentage of existing software. If you play any other games chances are you're going to need a Windows OS so again, this issue is hardly GOM specific and I don't really see how we can blame them for it. Plus I'm sure eventually they'll come out with a working Mac version, but seriously, coding mac applications is hard  . This is a site dedicated to Starcraft, not general gaming. All versions of Starcraft have been OSX compatible. So I don't think it's a big surprise that people on TL with Macs that can play SC2 aren't happy that not only can the OSX version of GomPlayer not stream GSL, but every work-around is being denied. At least this is feedback for GOM so they might recognize a demand for OSX/Linux streaming. Do you think that telling people that they shouldn't provide feedback is useful/productive to anyone? If this issue doesn't matter to you, go to another thread. Don't crap on people's desires to watch GSL stream. Starcraft, Genral gaming, whatever its the general mindset of a culture which likes to play games, I'm sure that the majority of this site plays games that are not starcraft (evidence of this could be found in the crazy number of random streams that were shown when the beta was down...) so while this site is starcraft central its a little ignorant to state that gamers pick one game and never so much as peek at anything else. My point remains valid. Bad logic is bad. Guaranteed this site has more Mac users than other gaming populations. Blizzard games support Mac and always have. On a Mac you are basically stuck playing Blizzard games, or Escape Velocity (old mac game).Therefore Blizzard games have a higher percentage of players who are Mac users. Just because there are players on this forum who are not running on Mac does not remove the fact that Blizzard games have a large Mac audience. That said, I do own a PC... but its a desktop and is a pain in the ass to hook up to my TV. My macbook pro is nice and portable and easy to plug into my big tv. I don't want to watch GSL on my desktop at 3:00 AM. I'd rather be chilling in a recliner at that hour. -Cent
Bad response logic is bad.
While this site has the potential to have a higher mac user population than other gaming forums (which seems reasonable as its basically the only game they can be into...) neither is this site the population of people who play blizzard games and/or the population of people who watch GSL. Just because there are players on this forum who do run MacOS does not imply that they are a significant percentage of the GSL viewers, we simply don't have data to support that and from my understand South Korea is very PC heavy and as the only significant difference between the korean and english clients is the language NA Mac users become an even smaller majority.
I'm not saying there are no mac users, I'm just saying that they're a minority and GOM is a bluishness with its own priorities. As some of my past posts have indicated, MacOS development from an existing windows client is a pain in the ass and frequently not financially worth the dev costs.
Also, dual boot your macbook with windows... easy solution.
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Heh yeah I've noticed that linux support has been dropping quite a bit over the past month, and it's caused me to just not watch the games while I'm in linux. Not too surprising form a fairly ruthless company like Gretech, which constantly shuts down live streams and youtube vods containing older BW content such as the GomTV Msls.
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Another thing to take into account is a lot of people buy macs as their laptops, and PCs as their desktops. Me for example, i prefer to watch movies/shows/GSL on my laptop so i can be comfortable. I think not having a client for macs is a terrible business decision by gom.
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I can understand them not having the GOM Player mac compatable, I'm fine with that. But, as I have both a MAC and a PC (the PC being a desktop and mac being a Laptop) on the nights that I can afford to stay up late and watch it live, I like to get the link off my PC then go sit in bed with my mac and watch it in VLC. I have bought a ticket for every season and am usually content with just watching the VOD's, but I feel like them actively trying to block non-GOM Player streams is ridiculous.
I'm not sure what the market share of windows vs. non-windows is, so maybe they aren't losing a lot of people by doing this. But I find it hard to believe that they really don't care about those paying customers not using windows, and would actively try and keep them from watching the live stream.
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http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors2/forum/62814
I have posted on the GOM forum about this issue. I urge all other owners of a GSL pass to post their displeasure on their forums as well as here.
The sad truth is that Jon (the only GOM employee I know of that lurks here) isn't likely to read this thread. Multiple posts on the GOM threads, on the other hand, are more likely to get a response.
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This is soooo bad, i'm a 3.3K master, and paid my ticket, and i'm on MAC, and they banned VLC' this really suck, we're in 2011, not 1998, takes 2 sec to adjust code to set it so MAC users watch it aswell.
Isn't INTEL the provider to MAC for all processors ?
HELLO GOMTV
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There's nothing confusing about this issue. In the Premium Zone section of gom tv 's website, it clearly states
* Live Streams are only available through GOM Player, which is only supported by Windows.
source: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors2/premiumzone/
So I don't know what to say... They warned you. If you're not a windows user, the only reason why you should buy the premium service is the access to the VODs. Complaining about not being able to do something that is not intended is not the right way to get things changed.
Now I agree, we can definitely complain about the lack of a premium service including live streaming for MAC users. This is 100% valid.
Also I'm going to quote this (page 4):
On March 14 2011 23:47 baoluvboa wrote:
Heard someone said that it was because using Vlc causes the servers to over load. If you use gom stream it spreads the viewers on each servers evenly but VLC link will just pick a random one and may cause that one to overload and shut down the stream.
I don't know if this issue is confirmed but it might be a good reason why gomtv actively blocks alternative ways of streaming.
But eventually the bigger issue lies within the Apple computers. I've been using computers for a long time now, and for as long as I remember, apple computers have always had serious compatibility issues...
edit: typos
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I have to open Parallels Whenevr I want to watch gsl -_____-
So sick of it though. Gom is just being stupid. More and more foreigners are going to be Mac users. It's a growing customer base.. And this is how they treat them?
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On March 15 2011 05:29 dogmeatstew wrote:
Bad response logic is bad.
While this site has the potential to have a higher mac user population than other gaming forums (which seems reasonable as its basically the only game they can be into...) neither is this site the population of people who play blizzard games and/or the population of people who watch GSL. Just because there are players on this forum who do run MacOS does not imply that they are a significant percentage of the GSL viewers, we simply don't have data to support that and from my understand South Korea is very PC heavy and as the only significant difference between the korean and english clients is the language NA Mac users become an even smaller majority.
I'm not saying there are no mac users, I'm just saying that they're a minority and GOM is a bluishness with its own priorities. As some of my past posts have indicated, MacOS development from an existing windows client is a pain in the ass and frequently not financially worth the dev costs.
Also, dual boot your macbook with windows... easy solution.
Why should Mac users have to buy a copy of Windows to dual boot to watch something they already paid for and up until now, could watch using a different player. I have both a Windows desktop and a MacBook Pro. I would way rather settle in to a recliner and watch GSL on my laptop than watch it on my desktop. Up until now I could but now I can't because of GOM blocking the ability to. If they took the resources they use to block other players and put that towards making a Mac version then we wouldn't have this issue in the first place.
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I'm a Mac user. I bought this computer for school and I love it. It doesn't matter to me what other people think about it, the important thing here is how I feel about it. That being said, it's not like I am one of 50 people in the world who's on Mac. I think there is a user base large enough to make us potential customers to this service. If Gom doesn't think that way, the thing that happens is that all Mac users feel left out and contest this ignorance by Gom.
What does that make me do when I'm denied something I feel I should be able to access like everyone else? I'm looking for re-streams of course. That's the part where people take things in their own hands. We try to compensate for the lack of attention that Gom has toward us. Of course, these re-streams eventually get shut down. So basically Gom just wants to sit us out of this. I mean I would love to use the Gom player, I don't mind.
Now I know that they have the rights to their stuff and can do whatever the hell they want with it. But that doesn't mean it's right. Lets say only Mac users could watch the stream. How do you think the Windows people would feel? Would it be OK then for all these people to try to illegally bypass the problem with re-streams? The vocal majority would make so much noise that Gom couldn't turn their heads away and ignore them.
Fortunately this is the internet and there are "ways" to get what you want. It just doesn't have to be this hard and it doesn't have to bring anger from the Mac/linux user base. Gom is just angering people and I don't think this helps them in any way.
Please Gom do the right thing here and act fast.
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On March 15 2011 05:45 Ben... wrote:
Why should Mac users have to buy a copy of Windows to dual boot to watch something they already paid for and up until now, could watch using a different player. I have both a Windows desktop and a MacBook Pro. I would way rather settle in to a recliner and watch GSL on my laptop than watch it on my desktop. Up until now I could but now I can't because of GOM blocking the ability to. If they took the resources they use to block other players and put that towards making a Mac version then we wouldn't have this issue in the first place.
Because GOM stated that the stream only runs through their player which is currently only windows compatible. So if that's still confusing for you, because the people you're buying stuff from told you it wouldn't work on your mac.
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I think most of the windows users unable to view with the GOM player just had an issue once or twice trying to connect to a stream that is less than perfect. Then they switched to VLC, happened to connect and thought that their client was the ticket to watching the GSL.
I also had issues with the GOM player a while ago. I switched to the VLC client and still had troubles connecting, but eventually after retrying and reloading a few times I got through.
Obviously this is anecdotal and mere conjecture but I suspect it might have some weight behind it.
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On March 15 2011 05:45 Ben... wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 05:29 dogmeatstew wrote:
Bad response logic is bad.
While this site has the potential to have a higher mac user population than other gaming forums (which seems reasonable as its basically the only game they can be into...) neither is this site the population of people who play blizzard games and/or the population of people who watch GSL. Just because there are players on this forum who do run MacOS does not imply that they are a significant percentage of the GSL viewers, we simply don't have data to support that and from my understand South Korea is very PC heavy and as the only significant difference between the korean and english clients is the language NA Mac users become an even smaller majority.
I'm not saying there are no mac users, I'm just saying that they're a minority and GOM is a bluishness with its own priorities. As some of my past posts have indicated, MacOS development from an existing windows client is a pain in the ass and frequently not financially worth the dev costs.
Also, dual boot your macbook with windows... easy solution.
Why should Mac users have to buy a copy of Windows to dual boot to watch something they already paid for and up until now, could watch using a different player. I have both a Windows desktop and a MacBook Pro. I would way rather settle in to a recliner and watch GSL on my laptop than watch it on my desktop. Up until now I could but now I can't because of GOM blocking the ability to. If they took the resources they use to block other players and put that towards making a Mac version then we wouldn't have this issue in the first place.
Why did you bother paying if you're completely reliant on support for third party programs which was never promised? They warn you up front that you will need Windows to view the stream. Up until now people were fortunate enough to be able to work around that, but that's all it was: good fortune. As of this moment, you're not paying for anything other than Windows support so it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to make an argument based on anything else because it was never part of the service that you bought nor was it implied that it was.
Given the growth of Apple's market share, I don't doubt that we'll eventually see Mac support in the future, but that's not now. All there is to say at this point is: tough luck. There are many things to consider when choosing your OS and people who buy Macs are generally aware that these kinds of things do happen even today and that's exactly why a lot of them have a copy of Windows to dual boot. Truth be told, the situation is a lot better now than it was years ago because modern macs can run Windows natively without having to deal with the performance issues of running a virtual environment.
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