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dala
Sweden477 Posts
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
All high end streaming companies are very protective of their stuff. It the same way with football and other sports. VLC works for a minority but it also screws over regular paying customers by overloading specific servers, something GOM sees as worse than potentially losing the Mac crowd. | ||
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how2TL
1197 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:29 dogmeatstew wrote: Bad response logic is bad. While this site has the potential to have a higher mac user population than other gaming forums (which seems reasonable as its basically the only game they can be into...) neither is this site the population of people who play blizzard games and/or the population of people who watch GSL. Just because there are players on this forum who do run MacOS does not imply that they are a significant percentage of the GSL viewers, we simply don't have data to support that and from my understand South Korea is very PC heavy and as the only significant difference between the korean and english clients is the language NA Mac users become an even smaller majority. I'm not saying there are no mac users, I'm just saying that they're a minority and GOM is a bluishness with its own priorities. As some of my past posts have indicated, MacOS development from an existing windows client is a pain in the ass and frequently not financially worth the dev costs. Also, dual boot your macbook with windows... easy solution. If "we simply don't have data", then maybe you reconsider your stance that the lack of OSX/Linux users should make them irrelevant. Clearly there are enough people using Linux/OSX running workarounds for it to be a problem, in any case. This thread isn't about GOMTV not providing a streaming solution for other platforms, it's that they're taking the ones that have been found away. I'm not sure what you're bringing to this thread besides an attitude. | ||
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dala
Sweden477 Posts
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On March 15 2011 06:12 how2TL wrote: If "we simply don't have data", then maybe you reconsider your stance that the lack of OSX/Linux users should make them irrelevant. Clearly there are enough people using Linux/OSX running workarounds for it to be a problem, in any case. This thread isn't about GOMTV not providing a streaming solution for other platforms, it's that they're taking the ones that have been found away. I'm not sure what you're bringing to this thread besides an attitude. And it's been explained why the workarounds are not ideal for GOM or paying Windows users so why keep hammering on that point. The solution is to either push GOM for a mac/linux release or solve the problem using Bootcamp/Wine/Virtualization. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On March 15 2011 06:12 how2TL wrote: This thread isn't about GOMTV not providing a streaming solution for other platforms, it's that they're taking the ones that have been found away. Why is it GomTV's responsibility to allow alternative viewing options that circumvent their intended viewing experience, particularly if there is the potential for those alternative options to affect their ability to deliver the product in the way that they promised? I really don't understand why anyone would fault GomTV for essentially preserving the integrity of their product by keeping the medium for its distribution under their control, particularly coming from people who support Apple of all companies. | ||
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CuSToM
United States1478 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:43 AlBundy wrote: There's nothing confusing about this issue. In the Premium Zone section of gom tv 's website, it clearly states source: http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors2/premiumzone/ So I don't know what to say... They warned you. If you're not a windows user, the only reason why you should buy the premium service is the access to the VODs. Complaining about not being able to do something that is not intended is not the right way to get things changed. Now I agree, we can definitely complain about the lack of a premium service including live streaming for MAC users. This is 100% valid. Also I'm going to quote this (page 4): I don't know if this issue is confirmed but it might be a good reason why gomtv actively blocks alternative ways of streaming. But eventually the bigger issue lies within the Apple computers. I've been using computers for a long time now, and for as long as I remember, apple computers have always had serious compatibility issues... edit: typos Compatibility issues? Sorry dude; IEM, MLG, Dreamhack, TSL, and even OSL and MSL stream just fine on Macs. I'm pretty sure all the VODs are free as well for all the above mentioned tournaments. I'm tired of Tasteless constantly giving his "buy our premium service, we dump all the money into improving the stream!" when GOM continues to alienate its Mac customers. | ||
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PeggyHill
1494 Posts
It is completly unreasonable however that there is no OSX GOMTV player. Haven't read the whole thread, assume that the chrome extension that gives the VLC link is now broken? | ||
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Sabu113
United States11047 Posts
On March 15 2011 06:22 LegendaryZ wrote: Why is it GomTV's responsibility to allow alternative viewing options that circumvent their intended viewing experience, particularly if there is the potential for those alternative options to affect their ability to deliver the product in the way that they promised? I really don't understand why anyone would fault GomTV for essentially preserving the integrity of their product by keeping the medium for its distribution under their control, particularly coming from people who support Apple of all companies. Don't turn this into a retarded Apple MS fanboy epeen fight. Viewers are attempting to find legitimate ways to watch their programming. If they'll actively deny it then, 1) I if not other mac users will not buy the premium service (live viewing is part of the charm) 2) look for restreams 3)substitute away from Gom permanently. This would be different if they had a mac client, but they don't. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
How expensive would it be to facilitate a MAC client? | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On March 15 2011 06:27 Sabu113 wrote: Don't turn this into a retarded Apple MS fanboy epeen fight. Viewers are attempting to find legitimate ways to watch their programming. If they'll actively deny it then, 1) I if not other mac users will not buy the premium service (live viewing is part of the charm) 2) look for restreams 3)substitute away from Gom permanently. This would be different if they had a mac client, but they don't. It wasn't intended to be an "Apple MS fanboy epeen fight". It was intended to point out that Gom is essentially doing exactly what Apple has been notorious for doing for years. When it comes to Apple, supporters argue that it ensures the quality of the product. Why wouldn't this same argument apply for Gom in this situation? It's already been noted several times in this thread that a Mac solution is in the works at GomTV. Until then, Mac users will simply have to be satisfied with what they have now or find another workaround that works. Mac users were never entitled to live viewing in the first place, as was clearly noted. Those who paid for the premium service and now find themselves unable to take advantage of it because they either couldn't read the warning or didn't take heed of it are the ones at fault and they really have no right to complain for a company not delivering something that was not selling in the first place. Also, third party methods in this case aren't "legitimate" ways to enjoy their programming. The only legitimate way would be the way GomTV intended, through their player, which is unfortunately not available for Mac users at the moment. edit: Added a link to Gom's FAQ where their intentions are pretty clearly stated... http://www.gomtv.net/faq/view.gom?conid=52753 | ||
yamato77
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Sabu113
United States11047 Posts
The goal of the thread is to create enough of ruckus that GOM realizes the urgency of the problem and provides a solution sooner rather than later. A big thread will raise eyebrows and add more credence to any case to offer a Mac Gom client now. Alternatively, hopefully the thread will generate solutions to the problem of viewing the lives stream on a mac. "Get windows" is not a real solution nor a practical one for many people. Being satisfied with what they have now is an empty statement as they have disabled alternative viewing options and as such made this thread necessary. To be perfectly honest, I am not sure what you are adding to the discussion. + Show Spoiler + Also... entitlted? seriously? Yes no one is entitled to any product even a free one. The company is entitled to a little push back when they discriminate against a potential customer base. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
I don't see what they have to win by FORCING it. VLC was just fine. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On March 15 2011 06:44 Sabu113 wrote: You assumed in your opening paragraph that for some reason that because I own a mac I am an apple fanatic. You assumed that I would be a privy to all of Apple's past business decisions and a tacit supporter of its nice monopoly through the app store. Choosing that language makes it seem like the standard forum warrior Mac vs apple fight. The goal of the thread is to create enough of ruckus that GOM realizes the urgency of the problem and provides a solution sooner rather than later. A big thread will raise eyebrows and add more credence to any case to offer a Mac Gom client now. Alternatively, hopefully the thread will generate solutions to the problem of viewing the lives stream on a mac. "Get windows" is not a real solution nor a practical one for many people. Being satisfied with what they have now is an empty statement as they have disabled alternative viewing options and as such made this thread necessary. To be perfectly honest, I am not sure what you are adding to the discussion. + Show Spoiler + Also... entitlted? seriously? Yes no one is entitled to any product even a free one. The company is entitled to a little push back when they discriminate against a potential customer base. They've already stated that they're working on a solution for Mac users. It'll come when it comes. Until then, what more do you want? It seems that there are potential security and performance issues with allowing streaming to clients such as VLC, so I really don't understand why you would fault them for anything here. They aren't discriminating against anyone. The fact that they're working on a client to satisfy Mac users speaks to that. Also, how does starting a thread on TL.net work to further benefit the situation at hand? If the idea is to let GomTV know that this is something you care about, you should be contacting them about it rather than whining about it here. Either way, Gom clearly has their reasons for taking the actions they're taking and I don't think anyone here is in a position to question their decisions without information as to their motives. In the meantime, they are delivering what they promised to their paying customers. That's all that really matters at this point. If anything, chalk up the issue as just another one of the many things dividing the current OS market. Personally, I would love to have Final Cut Pro for my PC, but somehow I don't see that happening and it's one of the realities I accept as a Windows user just like the numerous other pieces of software Mac users don't have access to on OSX. | ||
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CyberPitz
United States428 Posts
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
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Cerotix
Canada121 Posts
On March 15 2011 06:54 LegendaryZ wrote: They've already stated that they're working on a solution for Mac users. It'll come when it comes. Until then, what more do you want? It seems that there are potential security and performance issues with allowing streaming to clients such as VLC, so I really don't understand why you would fault them for anything here. They aren't discriminating against anyone. The fact that they're working on a client to satisfy Mac users speaks to that. Also, how does starting a thread on TL.net work to further benefit the situation at hand? If the idea is to let GomTV know that this is something you care about, you should be contacting them about it rather than whining about it here. Either way, Gom clearly has their reasons for taking the actions they're taking and I don't think anyone here is in a position to question their decisions without information as to their motives. In the meantime, they are delivering what they promised to their paying customers. That's all that really matters at this point. Many people, myself included, have contacted GOM about this problem, there is a thread that was started on their forums that is linked a few pages back, I also tweeted Tasteless, Artosis and the official GOMTV twitter regarding this issue. The reason there is a thread here on TL.net is not only because we are a compendium of users with lots of ideas for possible workarounds, as well as the fact that there are a few GOM employees that both have TL accounts, and frequent the forums quite often. And as to your last point, no they are not delivering what they promised to paying customers, because everybody on a non-windows OS is getting screwed out of live streams. and of course we are in a position to question the motives of GOM, as a paying customer, I expect an explanation when there is a change in service that renders a large portion of why I bought the seasons pass null. Until there is a satisfactory answer from a GOM employee, this thread will continue. | ||
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ksn
Italy34 Posts
But overall, really terrible decision if you ask me. I'm thinking about not buying another season ticket even if I'm a windows user and I always used the gom player for all the seasons. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On March 15 2011 07:04 Cerotix wrote: Many people, myself included, have contacted GOM about this problem, there is a thread that was started on their forums that is linked a few pages back, I also tweeted Tasteless, Artosis and the official GOMTV twitter regarding this issue. The reason there is a thread here on TL.net is not only because we are a compendium of users with lots of ideas for possible workarounds, as well as the fact that there are a few GOM employees that both have TL accounts, and frequent the forums quite often. And as to your last point, no they are not delivering what they promised to paying customers, because everybody on a non-windows OS is getting screwed out of live streams. and of course we are in a position to question the motives of GOM, as a paying customer, I expect an explanation when there is a change in service that renders a large portion of why I bought the seasons pass null. Until there is a satisfactory answer from a GOM employee, this thread will continue. Live streaming was not something that was promised on non-Windows OS's in the first place, so how can you say that they're screwing people out of anything? When did they ever promise to allow people to stream of VLC or other third party programs? Simply put, you're getting what you paid for. The problem is that you assumed that you were going to get something that was never really part of the agreement in the first place, which is your own fault, not the company's. | ||
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