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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On March 16 2011 02:19 Nerski wrote: blocking work arounds to try to force people to use the gom player makes no sense...what could the gom player possibly be doing that a VLC player doesn't that would matter? . making them money? | ||
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dogmeatstew
Canada574 Posts
On March 16 2011 00:53 Honeybadger wrote: It's all theoretical, however. And I will present you with an interesting experiment conducted by Valve with Left 4 Dead. They dropped the price from brick-and-mortar stores on steam by 50%. Overall revenue went up 320%. They dropped it by 75%. Overall revenue went up 1,470%. Brick-and-mortar sales were completely unaffected. An author (Can't remember his name) released one of his novels, which was still on the best-seller list, for free online. Sales of his other novels went up MASSIVELY. people getting exposure were suddenly becoming fans. When you reach more people, you gain more customers. That's what all copyright-humping people are arguing against. It's all theorycrafting. Instant money lost now can't POSSIBLY mean money gained in the future because you expanded your client base tenfold. It's all worthless theorycrafting. This was a super cool thing that Valve did and it totally worked our for them and they've continued to do this, its a legitimate point in most circumstances similar to the GOM issue being discussed. It occurred to be however that (NA viewers at least) only have one product available for purchase from GOM, their GSL stream. So while you may be "getting out the word" and making the GSL more popular in general, you're removing from them their only source of revenue from NA viewers (not just lowering it 50% or even 75%...). In addition they don't have "other books" to sell so its not like you giving away their stream is causing viewers to go buy some other product they have to offer. This could change in the future as I'm under the impression that GOM has a much larger user base and product line in korea but for NA at least this holds true. (who knows maybe we'll get more gretech services available to us if the english SC2 scene persists and they have financial motivation to port their stuff to english...) | ||
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Disastorm
United States922 Posts
On March 15 2011 14:32 Zeke50100 wrote: I'm not saying that GOM is all good. They pretty much suck, but people are whining about things they weren't promised nor entitled to while pretending like both are true. Maybe you can say that about free users, but for the ones that pay, they are pretty much paying for a service that they are being denied intentionally based on their computer. TBH, I'm not even sure if they would be allowed to do that in the US (Remember US vs Microsoft from 1998, it was ruled that Microsoft was not allowed to have their Windows APIs favor Internet Explorer over other browsers). | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
On March 15 2011 18:09 ShyRamen wrote: oh man, you can't read the whole thing, can you ? those 2 sentences are not contradicting, you look like a giant idiot for putting those together  what i meant is that ON ONE HAND they do a lot of moves that support the foreign community (like seeding code A Players, having the foreign gom practice house etc.etc.) BUT on the other hand they are not supporting a pretty vaste player base composed of MacOS and Linux users, therefore the argument used by another user that posted before me something like "Korea is a Windows based country" is not valid and that is what I was trying to explain him. It seems that GOM had a very nice focus on the foreign community so this pro-actively blocking alternative methods of watching the live cast goes against their own foreign-community supporting actions. get it now frenchie ? or still confused ? P.S. Also... it's not just Mac users, it's ANY other users they should support (like Linux) so even if I could be happy that they are developing a Mac GOM player I still can't believe they are so slow at supporting alternative OS Okay fair enough, thanks for clarifying your point of view. | ||
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mDuo13
United States307 Posts
I've bought a season ticket since then, because the VODs still work sort of OK on Linux and I usually can't stay up late for the livestream, but still, this is disappointing. I'm not the kind of person who demands full Linux "support" but actively implementing countermeasures to workarounds? Boo to that. I can't guarantee that GOM TV will continue to get my money when they make it harder for me to enjoy the services I paid for. | ||
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dogmeatstew
Canada574 Posts
On March 16 2011 04:38 Disastorm wrote: Maybe you can say that about free users, but for the ones that pay, they are pretty much paying for a service that they are being denied intentionally based on their computer. TBH, I'm not even sure if they would be allowed to do that in the US (Remember US vs Microsoft from 1998, it was ruled that Microsoft was not allowed to have their Windows APIs favor Internet Explorer over other browsers). Not really the same instance, if I'm not mistaken the MS lawsuit was with regards to preventing MS from creating a monopoly on the web browsing industry by preventing other browsers from working properly in their OS. In the case of GOM they clearly state the terms of use for their stream, if you went on steam and bought a game which specified that it only ran on Windows (which is a closer comparison, they are both forms of entertainment) and then tried to sue the developer for not providing mac support you wouldn't get anywhere. Its equivalent to buying a car from someone when you don't have a license, its not the fault of the person who sells you the car that you can't legally drive it, you made a mistake as a consumer. (btw probably a bad example, I don't know if you can own a car if you don't have a license...). Regardless, buying products you have no way of using isn't exactly the fault of the seller. Edit: On March 16 2011 05:09 mDuo13 wrote: I haven't been able to get GOM player working at all on my work PC (Windows). Between that and my Linux PC at home, my only options were watching an SD restream or using mplayer or something to watch it. I've bought a season ticket since then, because the VODs still work sort of OK on Linux and I usually can't stay up late for the livestream, but still, this is disappointing. I'm not the kind of person who demands full Linux "support" but actively implementing countermeasures to workarounds? Boo to that. I can't guarantee that GOM TV will continue to get my money when they make it harder for me to enjoy the services I paid for. Just thought I'd mention that you can make GOM player work through Wine if you need to, it wasn't that straight forward unfortunately, need to set some dependencies but I made it work after a few painful minutes of finding packages. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On March 16 2011 04:38 Disastorm wrote: Maybe you can say that about free users, but for the ones that pay, they are pretty much paying for a service that they are being denied intentionally based on their computer. TBH, I'm not even sure if they would be allowed to do that in the US (Remember US vs Microsoft from 1998, it was ruled that Microsoft was not allowed to have their Windows APIs favor Internet Explorer over other browsers). Before you hit the pay button they say you need to use the Gomplayer to play the stream. If there is no mac/linux gomplayer, i am sorry but thats just bad luck and they are working on it. You got the warning before you payed, yet you denied it since there is a workaround true a different program they do not support. So how are they not allowed to deny stuff they never promised in the first place? | ||
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BrosephBrostar
United States445 Posts
On March 16 2011 02:19 Nerski wrote: blocking work arounds to try to force people to use the gom player makes no sense...what could the gom player possibly be doing that a VLC player doesn't that would matter? The only thing I can think of is that VLC type players can record what they watch and gom is worried about people recording the cast and rebroadcasting....but if you really wanted to record it...you could just as easily view it with the gom player and use a program like fraps to record it still. So in the end all they do is tick off people who legitimately just want to watch the gsl. The GOM Player has some P2P function that VLC doesn't. Ironically by using the GOM Player you're technically re-streaming. | ||
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Loomies
United States645 Posts
I'm forced to watch the Free SQ stream. I reinstalled GOMTV player 5 times so far and no luck. I turned off my windows firewall too | ||
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Mephiztopheles1
1124 Posts
On May 11 2011 14:09 Loomies wrote: I'm so disappointed that I paid for a premium and continue to get a 0x00000071 error I'm forced to watch the Free SQ stream. I reinstalled GOMTV player 5 times so far and no luck. I turned off my windows firewall too You should go and post that in the gomtv forums mate, if you're a paying customer, i'm sure they'll help you out | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
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