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Bumblebees
United States328 Posts
I'm very confused by this. The GOM player for mac will not play the GSL stream, and there is no GOM player for linux. Are we relegated to simply paying for VODs and not even being able to enjoy a feature of the GSL that users of a specific platform get for free!? I can't imagine this sort of thing being good for their business or e-sports in general. Disallowing paying customers from using your service post-purchase is quite outrageous. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
I really see no reason for them to really support Mac to gain 100 viewers. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Norada
China482 Posts
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Bumblebees
United States328 Posts
The main point is that they're doing this in the midst of the season, after users have already paid for the service, and they're doing it without warning or explanation. | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On March 14 2011 22:23 -Archangel- wrote: I am sorry to burst your bubble, but MAC users are even more rare then Windows Vista users. I really see no reason for them to really support Mac to gain 100 viewers. There's a difference between not giving support and going out of your way to block them. Mac and Linux users were quite happily using VLC to watch the GSL matches. It all goes via GomTVs website, their login, up to the point where you click the button to watch and instead of opening in the GomPlayer, the stream would open in VLC. No illegal activities such as restreaming needed. Granted, it took a bit more effort to setup, but it worked fine. And now GomTV is spending time and money to make sure that the few Mac/Linux viewers, who had been watching through official channels, can't watch anymore. Bad business decision if ever there was one. | ||
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Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
On March 14 2011 22:23 -Archangel- wrote: I am sorry to burst your bubble, but MAC users are even more rare then Windows Vista users. I really see no reason for them to really support Mac to gain 100 viewers. In Europe maybe, in USA definitely not. I don't know how hard or how expensive it is to make a mac/linux client, but they shouldn't take a dump on any part of their audience. | ||
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Candles
United Kingdom103 Posts
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Matkap
Spain627 Posts
On March 14 2011 22:23 -Archangel- wrote: I am sorry to burst your bubble, but MAC users are even more rare then Windows Vista users. I really see no reason for them to really support Mac to gain 100 viewers. That is just so ignorant I have to lol. I am tempted just to start a poll to see how many mac users there are on teamliquid and how many have to go through strange methods to watch some games, which some of us have even payed for. ( I have pc at home so I can watch Hd vods fine, but at work I do have Mac and sometimes I have time to watch some games Live ). | ||
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
On March 14 2011 22:23 -Archangel- wrote: I am sorry to burst your bubble, but MAC users are even more rare then Windows Vista users. I really see no reason for them to really support Mac to gain 100 viewers. If 1/10 mac users pays you 10 dollars for the HQ stream, and you suddenly cut off their ways of getting the service, you effectively get 100 dollars less for something that can easily be prevented by allowing mac another client. Its a stupid thing for a software designer to leave out potential customers especially if your target area is as niche as E-sports. I think its largely due to koreans only owning PC's and having Internet explorer. I don't think GOM optimalizes for foreigners but rather for their market. Which is silly considering that we pay the most for watching streams compared to korea. | ||
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Mr Tambourine Man
Netherlands190 Posts
On March 14 2011 22:23 -Archangel- wrote: I am sorry to burst your bubble, but MAC users are even more rare then Windows Vista users. I really see no reason for them to really support Mac to gain 100 viewers. Of course, I don't know the situation in Croatia, but at my uni there are very many students with macs. I have a mac and think this news is horrible. | ||
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Bumblebees
United States328 Posts
They're not only losing business, but they're making the demand for high-quality illegitimate distribution much higher. This will quite certainly put a dent in their business on another level. A lot of people simply pay because they don't know how to find re-streams or are too lazy to do so. When the demand for them rises, so will the ease of finding them and the organization of those who make them available. | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
I can understand your frustration, but just to play devils advocate. Of course they want people to use the GOM Media Player for the GOMtv Star League. Promoting their client is part of their core business. Saying that they're going out of their way just to ban mac/linux users isn't fair, it's an unfortunate side-effect. The missed revenue from mac/linux users isn't going to make up for the "missed revenue" (lets just call it that for simplicity) from all the windows users refusing to use the gom client. Point out they could be earning both if they had more support. It might be more constructive to demand that the gom player for mac can actually watch these broadcasts and that a linux version is released. | ||
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Bumblebees
United States328 Posts
On March 14 2011 22:34 Chaosvuistje wrote: If 1/10 mac users pays you 10 dollars for the HQ stream, and you suddenly cut off their ways of getting the service, you effectively get 100 dollars less for something that can easily be prevented by allowing mac another client. Its a stupid thing for a software designer to leave out potential customers especially if your target area is as niche as E-sports. I think its largely due to koreans only owning PC's and having Internet explorer. I don't think GOM optimalizes for foreigners but rather for their market. Which is silly considering that we pay the most for watching streams compared to korea. It's even MORE silly because there is a GOM player for mac already! The GSL website simply does not support it. Not only do they not support it, but it DID work for a couple weeks and they released a forced upgrade that made it no longer work with the GSL stream. Here's a thread with people talking about it working, and a download link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179197 | ||
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IrT4nkz
229 Posts
Doesn't make sense from a business POV. I myself stopped watching GSL cause of the crappy GOM player and re-streams being banned. I'll watch it again if they allow re-streams, official / unofficial to raise the viewer count. | ||
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twoxmachine
United States50 Posts
Have these concerns been brought up on the GOMTV official forums? I'm not sure how high the priority is on making the GOM player compatible with multiple OSs, but losing season ticket customers might raise a few eyebrows. | ||
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Bumblebees
United States328 Posts
On March 14 2011 22:35 Martijn wrote: sigh I can understand your frustration, but just to play devils advocate. Of course they want people to use the GOM Media Player for the GOMtv Star League. Promoting their client is part of their core business. Saying that they're going out of their way just to ban mac/linux users isn't fair, it's an unfortunate side-effect. The missed revenue from mac/linux users isn't going to make up for the "missed revenue" (lets just call it that for simplicity) from all the windows users refusing to use the gom client. Point out they could be earning both if they had more support. It might be more constructive to demand that the gom player for mac can actually watch these broadcasts and that a linux version is released. The GOM player for mac WAS able to watch broadcasts, and then it was disabled (or unintentionally broken?) for some reason. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
The only reason I can think of for them not doing so is to force people to use their proprietary software, which is horribly outdated and less efficient than many modern alternatives, namely VLC. | ||
CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
On March 14 2011 22:23 -Archangel- wrote: I am sorry to burst your bubble, but MAC users are even more rare then Windows Vista users. I really see no reason for them to really support Mac to gain 100 viewers. Don't post ignorant bullshit like this. Really disappointed in gom. Not supporting mac/linux for live viewing is one thing, but actively blocking user work-arounds? ridiculous | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On March 14 2011 22:35 Martijn wrote: sigh I can understand your frustration, but just to play devils advocate. Of course they want people to use the GOM Media Player for the GOMtv Star League. Promoting their client is part of their core business. Saying that they're going out of their way just to ban mac/linux users isn't fair, it's an unfortunate side-effect. The missed revenue from mac/linux users isn't going to make up for the "missed revenue" (lets just call it that for simplicity) from all the windows users refusing to use the gom client. Point out they could be earning both if they had more support. It might be more constructive to demand that the gom player for mac can actually watch these broadcasts and that a linux version is released. What's the point of pushing their own media player? It's available for free, there are no advertisements in it, what do they gain if more people use it? Also, I've never heard anyone swapping to the GOM Player as their main media player. It's an okay piece of software and it plays the GSL matches just fine, but it is outclassed by all the mainstream media players out there. So again: Why would GOM want to push their own player rather than focus on their core business: producing and broadcasting awesome games. edit: I just read that apparently the GOM player does display ads, shows how long it's been since I've used it. Regardless, they can easily embed the ads into the free stream rather than relying on an external program to display them. It's what pretty much every other broadcaster does as well, with good success. | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On March 14 2011 22:40 Bumblebees wrote: The GOM player for mac WAS able to watch broadcasts, and then it was disabled (or unintentionally broken?) for some reason. Quite, I realized as much. Don't you think that's the issue you should be pushing here then? | ||
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