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On March 14 2011 23:36 Markus138 wrote:
why would you pick gom player over VLC? I never had ANY video file VLC could not play. It doesn't matter if it's an original dvd, a normal .avi, a defect video file etc etc. VLC plays everything on many operating systems including the most common Linux, Mac and even Windows and it is most important: open source - which unfortunately the gom player is not
Valid points to pick VLC, however, does VLC let you watch awesome tournaments like GSL?
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On March 14 2011 23:41 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 23:36 Markus138 wrote:
why would you pick gom player over VLC? I never had ANY video file VLC could not play. It doesn't matter if it's an original dvd, a normal .avi, a defect video file etc etc. VLC plays everything on many operating systems including the most common Linux, Mac and even Windows and it is most important: open source - which unfortunately the gom player is not Valid points to pick VLC, however, does VLC let you watch awesome tournaments like GSL?
Gom player plays a whole lot of video/audio files and has a lot more options too. At least so it seems to me. Just saying its *at least* the vlc of korea if not better.
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On March 14 2011 23:41 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 23:36 Markus138 wrote:
why would you pick gom player over VLC? I never had ANY video file VLC could not play. It doesn't matter if it's an original dvd, a normal .avi, a defect video file etc etc. VLC plays everything on many operating systems including the most common Linux, Mac and even Windows and it is most important: open source - which unfortunately the gom player is not Valid points to pick VLC, however, does VLC let you watch awesome tournaments like GSL?
that's the topic of this thread  apparently not any more
@gogogadgetflow: so does it have the feature to play currupted files? do koreans have download to the Source Code?
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On March 14 2011 23:43 Markus138 wrote:that's the topic of this thread apparently not any more
Just trying to point out your argument is rather irrelevant to the thread. There can be a bazillion and one reasons for you to prefer VLC, but that's only more reason for them to encourage people to install the gomplayer.
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Heard someone said that it was because using Vlc causes the servers to over load. If you use gom stream it spreads the viewers on each servers evenly but VLC link will just pick a random one and may cause that one to overload and shut down the stream.
As for the gomplayer on mac, I'm not sure why they havent implement a working version.
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the people at gom are saying that they are working on the gom play for mac. Maybe all these blocks means that they will announce that they have finally released a working version of gom player soon!
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On March 14 2011 23:35 syllogism wrote:
e: I'm not good at reading. Regardless, I imagine most VLC link users do not extract their own link so nothing was "debunked"
Certainly all legit HQ viewers do.
There's 2 apps, a firefox script/plugin, a website, a javascript script and an easy manual way to get a dynamically generated link from the website. I may be wrong, but it seems unlikely so much effort would be put into it if there was not a demand for it.
Of course, if this was the case, GOM could just be giving out the stream URLS on their own.
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I feel (quite strongly) that the content should not be dependent on the platform (unless there are technical reasons for it) that delivers the content. This goes back to the emergence of Firefox in the browser-world where there were various websites that simply displayed a "you must use IE 6 or better" (spot the irony) when they detected a non-IE useragent-string.
The GSL / VLC issue is the same really. The content is the GSL stream (with or without adds, SQ or HQ) and it should not require a specific platform (the GOM Player) to be accessed. Interestingly enough, GSL VODs can be watched with any modern browser/OS combination.
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If it's laggy it's probably your internet, if it's down then it's GOM. I had no lag recently but yeah, it dies way too often. And of course, error 0000051.
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On March 14 2011 23:47 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 23:43 Markus138 wrote:that's the topic of this thread apparently not any more Just trying to point out your argument is rather irrelevant to the thread. There can be a bazillion and one reasons for you to prefer VLC, but that's only more reason for them to encourage people to install the gomplayer.
and again: the topic of this thread is about GOM blocking GSL watching with VLC. Not talking about it and ignoring the fact what gom does is not helping. So I really hope GOM will make a statement on this topic
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The fact that mac users can't watch the GSL personnaly makes me laugh a lot. But I can't understand GomTV choice from a buisness point of view.
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I agree this is pretty retarded from GOM, but to solve the problem, why not simply use a virtual machine with windows installed to check the streams?
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cuz i need to buy windows for that. simply as that.
furthermore my atom on my laptop wont handle Ubuntu and Windows together :D
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On March 15 2011 00:00 CursedFeanor wrote:
I agree this is pretty retarded from GOM, but to solve the problem, why not simply use a virtual machine with windows installed to check the streams?
a) maybe hardware issues (some bad laptop graphic cards/cpus have problem with it)
b) you need a windows licencse which means 1) it costs money 2) means supporting windows/microsoft what many people maybe don't like
c) a little overkill instead clicking the simple "play" button
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On March 14 2011 23:47 baoluvboa wrote:
Heard someone said that it was because using Vlc causes the servers to over load. If you use gom stream it spreads the viewers on each servers evenly but VLC link will just pick a random one and may cause that one to overload and shut down the stream.
I think that's 100% correct: http://www.gomtv.net/faq/view.gom?conid=52755
"...utilizes the spare resources, that are not in use on the User’s PC to transmit data to another User."
Sounds like P2P to help share the load and reduce it and bandwidth on GOM's side.
The HQ stream doesn't say it uses the streamer so maybe it's unfair of them to block it there since you're paying. But I can understand the reasons for blocking it on the SQ stream since it's free.
I don't know if it's possible but can you run windows within mac or linux in a virtual environment to use the gom player to watch then?
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So, although you may be experiencing problems viewing the GSL on a mac, the most likely reason they are blocking it is because people who use windows are using alternate methods of viewing it as well and as windows makes up more than 90% of the world market (if not more), then they are blocking it for those users. That is the reality of situation most likely.
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp (Note, web developers are more likely to use macs making this statistic slightly skewed toward macs)
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You know instead of GOM wasting all their time trying to shutdown restreams, workarounds (when frankly it should work for whatever platform you use) and 'hacks', they should bloody well get their shit straight and make sure everyone can view the stream without any issues. I see so many problems its amazing how people still support them.
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I have no beef with this, as long as they come out with a live player for OSX like Tasteless mentioned in the BW Gom Tourney 3...I usually watch VODs anyway but every once in a while the live broadcast is at a reasonable hour and I have nowhere to turn.
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i don't get why they do that. i mean, if they're not supporting the platform, then there's no reason to stop the use of alternative methods.
unless they don't want non-GOM users using some of their bandwidth? honestly, there aren't that many mac or linux users in the sc2 community. generally in gaming, non-windows users are certainly a rarity. i don't see how much damage that could really do.
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On March 14 2011 23:02 xLethargicax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 22:23 -Archangel- wrote:
I am sorry to burst your bubble, but MAC users are even more rare then Windows Vista users.
I really see no reason for them to really support Mac to gain 100 viewers. I know someone called you out on this on the first page but seriously... What are you talking about? Mac sales are growing over PC sales daily. You might want to do some research because your comment on this is one of the least educated comments I've seen as of late on teamliquid. In 2008 apple had 14% unit share of all the computers in the US. That was in 2008. Apple has had incredible growth since then. As of May 30, 2009, the US Population was estimated at 304,059,724 persons. With those old numbers that's a staggering 42,568,000 mac users in the U.S. and to the topic, I don't even use mac/linux, but this is ridiculous. I always use the VLC player because I can't stand the GOMPlayer. Sigh.
Not to put too much of a damper on your point, but your calculations assume that the entire population has access to a computer. That said, it's most likely non-trivial enough for the cost of developing for it (and they have...well, more like half-assed it from what the comments about the GOM Mac player seem to indicate). As someone who uses a macbook a lot for watching streams and stuff, I do hope these recent actions mean that they will ramp up their effort in that regard.
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