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TopTimmy
Profile Joined March 2011
4 Posts
March 14 2011 16:10 GMT
#101
ITT: Mac users don't want to pay $10 for VoD service yet will pay $1000 for a computer I can make for half that price, resulting in two computers.

I agree with Gom's decision to block VLC/plugins from accessing their broadcasting, with korea being as big of a gaming culture as they are do you really think they wanna play on macs? They need to keep their primary fan base happy. Also, keeping complete attention on GomPlayer since it is GomTV

Another reason to buy a PC.

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fds
Profile Joined February 2011
Slovenia258 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-14 16:12:10
March 14 2011 16:11 GMT
#102
GomTV has very clear statement on their website:
* Live Streams are only available through GOM Player, which is only supported by Windows.

This is probably not the best long term idea but that's the way it is.

All those ideas about getting gom player for linux and mac are just... silly. Having external video player is imo flawed logic. GomTV should aim for HTLM5 video. Everyone would be more then happy.
majestouch
Profile Joined December 2010
United States395 Posts
March 14 2011 16:13 GMT
#103
or you could torrent the games? known torrent sites like demonoid and piratebay have "season packs" about 2days after a season finishes and games are uploaded daily.

but anyways, the root of the problem is having a mac in the first place and i agree with what the 2nd user posted lol.
partisan
Profile Joined January 2011
United States783 Posts
March 14 2011 16:15 GMT
#104
On March 15 2011 01:10 TopTimmy wrote:
ITT: Mac users don't want to pay $10 for VoD service yet will pay $1000 for a computer I can make for half that price, resulting in two computers.

I agree with Gom's decision to block VLC/plugins from accessing their broadcasting, with korea being as big of a gaming culture as they are do you really think they wanna play on macs? They need to keep their primary fan base happy. Also, keeping complete attention on GomPlayer since it is GomTV

Another reason to buy a PC.



I actually did pay the $10 to watch VOD's, but since they've blocked my ability to watch the game live, I'm stuck watching restreams to see anything happen in real time. I have yet to see anyone come up with one rational reason for them blocking vlc access.
CuSToM
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1478 Posts
March 14 2011 16:16 GMT
#105
On March 15 2011 01:07 RHMVNovus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 01:02 kedinik wrote:
Cracking down like this just kind of pushes the non windows sub-community towards VOD piracy.

Absolutely not endorsing any kind of piracy, but I don't think GOM's doing themselves any favors with how they're handling the situation.


To clarify, do the VoDs themselves not work on the Macintosh operating systems or is it just the stream? I couldn't find any clear answer.


Mac's GOM player doesn't work with the GOM streamer.
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CuSToM
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1478 Posts
March 14 2011 16:18 GMT
#106
On March 15 2011 01:13 majestouch wrote:
or you could torrent the games? known torrent sites like demonoid and piratebay have "season packs" about 2days after a season finishes and games are uploaded daily.

but anyways, the root of the problem is having a mac in the first place and i agree with what the 2nd user posted lol.


Sorry but this doesn't do anything for people who want to watch the games live. I can usually catch the games live two or three days of the week; I shouldn't have to torrent VODs when I paid for a season ticket and I am awake when a live broadcast is occurring...
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Arkless
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1547 Posts
March 14 2011 16:20 GMT
#107
Don't they have a windows compatability program for macs anyways? Where it will simulate the program in win 7. If so, their is your gomplayer fix
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aru
Profile Joined April 2010
183 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-14 16:21:37
March 14 2011 16:20 GMT
#108
On March 15 2011 01:15 partisan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 01:10 TopTimmy wrote:
ITT: Mac users don't want to pay $10 for VoD service yet will pay $1000 for a computer I can make for half that price, resulting in two computers.

I agree with Gom's decision to block VLC/plugins from accessing their broadcasting, with korea being as big of a gaming culture as they are do you really think they wanna play on macs? They need to keep their primary fan base happy. Also, keeping complete attention on GomPlayer since it is GomTV

Another reason to buy a PC.



I actually did pay the $10 to watch VOD's, but since they've blocked my ability to watch the game live, I'm stuck watching restreams to see anything happen in real time. I have yet to see anyone come up with one rational reason for them blocking vlc access.


The GOM Player is ad supported with built in functions to display ads. Having workarounds to avoid said ads sounds like a bad idea if you want to make money from ads.
TopTimmy
Profile Joined March 2011
4 Posts
March 14 2011 16:21 GMT
#109
On March 15 2011 01:15 partisan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 01:10 TopTimmy wrote:
ITT: Mac users don't want to pay $10 for VoD service yet will pay $1000 for a computer I can make for half that price, resulting in two computers.

I agree with Gom's decision to block VLC/plugins from accessing their broadcasting, with korea being as big of a gaming culture as they are do you really think they wanna play on macs? They need to keep their primary fan base happy. Also, keeping complete attention on GomPlayer since it is GomTV

Another reason to buy a PC.



I actually did pay the $10 to watch VOD's, but since they've blocked my ability to watch the game live, I'm stuck watching restreams to see anything happen in real time. I have yet to see anyone come up with one rational reason for them blocking vlc access.


Okay there are a few things wrong with this post.

1. A restream implies that it is a recording, thus not real time.

2. Many reasons have been stated to why they are blocking VLC accesss, read the thead. It was causing lag, it causes a loss of potential profit.

3. You can watch the VoDs. As to paraphrase iNcontrol, are you really upset that you cant look up at the stars at 1-4am in the morning and know that somewhere in an asian country people are playing a video game?
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
March 14 2011 16:24 GMT
#110
On March 14 2011 23:47 baoluvboa wrote:
Heard someone said that it was because using Vlc causes the servers to over load. If you use gom stream it spreads the viewers on each servers evenly but VLC link will just pick a random one and may cause that one to overload and shut down the stream.

As for the gomplayer on mac, I'm not sure why they havent implement a working version.


Has this been confirmed? Not a mac/windows issue, instead maybe its an issue with VLC link?
btx0
Profile Joined December 2009
Germany184 Posts
March 14 2011 16:25 GMT
#111
I'm not sure how I feel about this.
First of all, GOM clearly states that:
- The paid service is for VODs, not for the stream
- The stream can only be played with GOM player on windows systems

For the free stream I completely understand the decision, because they use a torrent like system to distribute it, which would make other players leechers.
For the paid stream I'm not sure how the architecture is set up, clearly the paid stream is distributed through multiple servers and by using a workaround for VLC you explicitly connect to one of them, if the GOM player has the ability to dynamically change servers for any reason, then I understand that decision as well.

Sure there are a thousand methods how to address these issues, but all of them need initial work and ongoing support and I'm unsure whether it is justified to demand that or not.
Peaudours
Profile Joined August 2010
France14 Posts
March 14 2011 16:27 GMT
#112
What about a virtual machine running windows on your MAC ?
zuqbu
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany797 Posts
March 14 2011 16:27 GMT
#113
On March 15 2011 00:02 Markus138 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 00:00 CursedFeanor wrote:
I agree this is pretty retarded from GOM, but to solve the problem, why not simply use a virtual machine with windows installed to check the streams?


a) maybe hardware issues (some bad laptop graphic cards/cpus have problem with it)
b) you need a windows licencse which means 1) it costs money 2) means supporting windows/microsoft what many people maybe don't like
c) a little overkill instead clicking the simple "play" button


d) when i watch live (maybe change that to past tense now), i usally do so on my second monitor while working with my primary. booting into another operating system is simply not an option for me.

and it's a horrible decision by gomtv imho. they should go into the completly opposite direction, and make live streams avaible not only for linux/mac users, but for other internet connected devices as well. there are so many smart phones already out there, and the tablet market will explode this year – gsl could target far more people by supporting other devices.
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Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
March 14 2011 16:28 GMT
#114
On March 15 2011 01:21 TopTimmy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 01:15 partisan wrote:
On March 15 2011 01:10 TopTimmy wrote:
ITT: Mac users don't want to pay $10 for VoD service yet will pay $1000 for a computer I can make for half that price, resulting in two computers.

I agree with Gom's decision to block VLC/plugins from accessing their broadcasting, with korea being as big of a gaming culture as they are do you really think they wanna play on macs? They need to keep their primary fan base happy. Also, keeping complete attention on GomPlayer since it is GomTV

Another reason to buy a PC.



I actually did pay the $10 to watch VOD's, but since they've blocked my ability to watch the game live, I'm stuck watching restreams to see anything happen in real time. I have yet to see anyone come up with one rational reason for them blocking vlc access.


Okay there are a few things wrong with this post.

1. A restream implies that it is a recording, thus not real time.

2. Many reasons have been stated to why they are blocking VLC accesss, read the thead. It was causing lag, it causes a loss of potential profit.

3. You can watch the VoDs. As to paraphrase iNcontrol, are you really upset that you cant look up at the stars at 1-4am in the morning and know that somewhere in an asian country people are playing a video game?


1. The GSL restreams are basically someone livestreaming whatever is being broadcast by GOM. There may be 2 or 3 seconds delay, but it's by no means just replaying a recording.

2. The only source of "lag" (there is no evidence for this being caused by VLC viewers at all) is that if someone posts a VLC link in IRC or a LR thread, then all people using that are on the same server, while opening the stream via GOMs website gives you a different server every time. This can be easily avoided by having each link tied to a specific IP (the IP you used to login to GOM). That way everyone has to log in with GOM to get a link and their loadbalancing scheme works fine.

3. Not everyone lives in the US. GSL live broadcasts are at very reasonable hours in Europe.
Such flammable little insects!
Bumblebees
Profile Joined August 2010
United States328 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-14 16:30:43
March 14 2011 16:28 GMT
#115
Stating once again that this is not a Mac problem. People in windows and linux have been needing VLC to view the live streams in both HQ (paid) and SQ (free)

I figure I'll just do it once a page. Maybe people will get it eventually.
Zealotdriver
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1557 Posts
March 14 2011 16:30 GMT
#116
Viewing the stream with VLC stops working, so you assume GOM is intentionally blocking VLC. What evidence does anyone actually have that it is GOM's intention to block other players?
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Bumblebees
Profile Joined August 2010
United States328 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-14 16:32:34
March 14 2011 16:31 GMT
#117
On March 15 2011 01:30 Zealotdriver wrote:
Viewing the stream with VLC stops working, so you assume GOM is intentionally blocking VLC. What evidence does anyone actually have that it is GOM's intention to block other players?


The very first line in the very first post in this thread.
savagebeavers
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada108 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-14 17:26:21
March 14 2011 16:33 GMT
#118
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TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1403 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-14 16:34:33
March 14 2011 16:33 GMT
#119
On March 15 2011 01:33 savagebeavers wrote:
I have a mac and watch the gsl live, I have been using the vlc method or a while now and it works great http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=181714 if you download this addon it makes life 1000x easier to because it gets the script or code or something, I have no idea how it works haha but i love it


It doesn't work anymore.

All I can say about this is I'm not going to be purchasing any more season passes until I have a way to watch the stream. GOM if your reading this I know I'm just one customer but the money I was spending on the GSL is now going to be going to the NSAL.
Zealotdriver
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1557 Posts
March 14 2011 16:36 GMT
#120
On March 15 2011 01:31 Bumblebees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 01:30 Zealotdriver wrote:
Viewing the stream with VLC stops working, so you assume GOM is intentionally blocking VLC. What evidence does anyone actually have that it is GOM's intention to block other players?


The very first line in the very first post in this thread.

No, it is just an unsupported claim and link to a reddit site with more unsupported claims.
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