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On March 15 2011 01:33 savagebeavers wrote:I have a mac and watch the gsl live, I have been using the vlc method or a while now and it works great http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=181714 if you download this addon it makes life 1000x easier to because it gets the script or code or something, I have no idea how it works haha but i love it 
The thread you just posted has people complaining that it doesn't work due to the changes this thread was created to discuss.
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I'm actually an avid supporter of GOMTV, but I think you guys should be taking the energy you use on hate filled posts and use it towards pushing GOM to get their MAC player stream ready. Bombard them with emails that you only have a MAC & since they blocked VLC you can no longer justify watching live because well....you cant.
Their MAC version seems to have just left Beta in Korea(Link if you want to try- just press the orange buttons) but I don't know the extent to which it works if at all with the English stream. Maybe they're gearing up to release it in English as soon as they translate it? As for Linux....well I just have no sympathy for Linux, it's far too much of a minority so those people will have to wait for VODs unless GOM starts on that after their MAC version is fully released.
However, the VODs really are universally accessible on all systems and uploaded at a very timely manner so I don't understand why it would push people towards VOD piracy unless they don't pay anyway. Theres really no excuse why not to pay for VODs if you wanna watch VODs.
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On March 15 2011 01:36 Zealotdriver wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 01:31 Bumblebees wrote:On March 15 2011 01:30 Zealotdriver wrote:
Viewing the stream with VLC stops working, so you assume GOM is intentionally blocking VLC. What evidence does anyone actually have that it is GOM's intention to block other players? The very first line in the very first post in this thread. No, it is just an unsupported claim and link to a reddit site with more unsupported claims.
That the method doesn't work anymore isn't an "unsupported claim". It doesn't work, period. Then, after changing the VLC user agent to KPeerClient (a linux only program), it worked, and then once again stopped working. pretty good evidence that gom is actively blocking users' attempts to watch the stream.
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Good fucking god.
Why does every corporation and their grandmother insists on forcing an install base for their $randomapp that, at the core of things, does something very basic. Martijn says that "it plays GSL!!", but that is such bullshit. It streams video, something that almost any random video application can do.
Hate.
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It seems like GOM could be doing a few things better here.
Requiring an inhouse player to view your stream? What is this 1995? That brings so many problems into play that wouldn't exist if they just supported streaming through browsers.
- Limits their audience to users who have their app installed. Willing users may not be able to install app and watch stream.
- Attempting to limit your audience is counterproductive and useless, people will always find a workaround and it costs extra money to stay one step ahead.
- Security issues; how secure is this player exactly? It's a streaming app and poses a higher risk. Streaming through sandboxed chrome > random gomtv streaming app.
- Privacy issues; why does GOM need to install an application onto my system? I'm seriously wondering about this. Are they harvesting system specs or something? Limiting users and forcing ads makes no sense, they aren't legitmate reasons since a)limiting users isn't possible you're fighting an arms race and b)forcing ads is as simple as embedding them into the stream. Honestly if you're greedy and want to constantly display ads, then just devote a chunk of the screenspace to ads. Embedding ads gets around adblock.
- Compatibility issues - supporting different versions of windows.
- Makes future expansion more costly and unattractive. Android app? Android OS fragmentation, tweaking your app for each Android OS? WP7 app? Linux/Mac app? Tablet apps? What is cheaper, making an app for each device/OS or supporting multiple browsers that immediately reach your entire user base?
- Possible increased development costs assuming your web developer needed to learn a different language to develop gomtv player.
- Streaming from your site provides a more consistent user experience and keeps viewers on your webpage, as opposed to a third party app which fragments user experience. If users wish to check out the schedule it's easier when already on the webpage.
- Customer satisfaction suffers when you try to limit users. I already see a bunch of pissed off mac users, you shouldn't alienate your user base. If anything you know mac users have more money so you should do something special for them.
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On March 15 2011 01:33 TheButtonmen wrote:It doesn't work anymore. All I can say about this is I'm not going to be purchasing any more season passes until I have a way to watch the stream. GOM if your reading this I know I'm just one customer but the money I was spending on the GSL is now going to be going to the NSAL.
My feelings exactly. I'm not supporting something that GOM refuses to fix.
And tinytimmy, you are an idiot. GOM has a mac player for media, so why the hell would you assume they want to keep their fan base loyal to pc only when they already have mac users?
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On March 15 2011 01:36 Zealotdriver wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 01:31 Bumblebees wrote:On March 15 2011 01:30 Zealotdriver wrote:
Viewing the stream with VLC stops working, so you assume GOM is intentionally blocking VLC. What evidence does anyone actually have that it is GOM's intention to block other players? The very first line in the very first post in this thread. No, it is just an unsupported claim and link to a reddit site with more unsupported claims.
Unsupported claims!? It lays out specifically the methods that were being used to access the stream via legit accounts (people who paid), and GOM blocking them as they were discovered DURING THE LIVE BROADCAST.
I could see it being a coincidence on some levels (some very astronomically incredible levels), but when they start filtering rtmp user agents it is certainly intentional.
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On March 14 2011 22:21 Bumblebees wrote:As you can see here: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/g3lyp/fixing_vlc_issues_with_live_gomtv_streams/ among other places, it appears that GOM has been actively blocking and stopping non-windows users from accessing their streams. Every time a new method is found to view the stream, it is disabled quite quickly. (there have been discussions on IRC about a few other methods, which were all disabled within ~15 minutes of being figured out) I'm very confused by this. The GOM player for mac will not play the GSL stream, and there is no GOM player for linux. Are we relegated to simply paying for VODs and not even being able to enjoy a feature of the GSL that users of a specific platform get for free!? I can't imagine this sort of thing being good for their business or e-sports in general. Disallowing paying customers from using your service post-purchase is quite outrageous.
Its to make sure paying customers don't get bogged down by people trying to piggy-back the stream, very standard practice for a streamer really.
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this is brutal news, i bought a seasons ticket for this season of GSL because i cant be up until 4am every day, but i end up staying up for it at least once or twice a week, i was using the VLC workaround and i was really happy with that, until they stopped it
i will be reluctant to be purchasing another seasons pass when i have to go to ustream or other sites to watch GSL live, despite the fact that i've paid for it!
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On March 15 2011 01:27 Peaudours wrote:
What about a virtual machine running windows on your MAC ?
I run Parallels version 5 on my Macbook, and it runs identically when watching GSL over GOM Player as it does when running it on a Windows machine. I start up Parallels, set it to full-screen mode, and I'm all set to go.
I would like it if GOM came up with a Macintosh client that worked with GSL, but I didn't get Parallels just to run GOM Player. It's an incredibly useful thing to have in any case because there is always "just that one app" that doesn't have a Macintosh version (like, for example, the Dungeons and Dragons character generator). All you need is a copy of XP (and there are lots of those lying around these days) and you're set. It's definitely worth the cost, and takes away any kind of angst over having a Macintosh versus having another Windows machine. This way you have both!
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On March 15 2011 01:44 shwick wrote:
It seems like GOM could be doing a few things better here.
Requiring an inhouse player to view your stream? What is this 1995? That brings so many problems into play that wouldn't exist if they just supported streaming through browsers.
FWIW, while I agree with your points, they probably hadn't needed to consider this stuff in the past since Gom player is the most popular media player in SK anyway. A lot of Korean websites ONLY work in Internet Explorer, and from that I'm sort of guessing that non-Windows computers are kind of rare over there.
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I think that before making all of this asumptions... we should find someone who speaks Korean to do us a favor and go to the official gom tv forums and ask about this... who knows maybe they didnt notice or something like that.
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On March 15 2011 01:50 SichuanPanda wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 22:21 Bumblebees wrote:As you can see here: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/g3lyp/fixing_vlc_issues_with_live_gomtv_streams/ among other places, it appears that GOM has been actively blocking and stopping non-windows users from accessing their streams. Every time a new method is found to view the stream, it is disabled quite quickly. (there have been discussions on IRC about a few other methods, which were all disabled within ~15 minutes of being figured out) I'm very confused by this. The GOM player for mac will not play the GSL stream, and there is no GOM player for linux. Are we relegated to simply paying for VODs and not even being able to enjoy a feature of the GSL that users of a specific platform get for free!? I can't imagine this sort of thing being good for their business or e-sports in general. Disallowing paying customers from using your service post-purchase is quite outrageous. Its to make sure paying customers don't get bogged down by people trying to piggy-back the stream, very standard practice for a streamer really. User was warned for this post
what about the people that pay for the seasons ticket (me for instance and everybody else who has a mac and isnt a total cheapskate), if i'm paying the same amount for the mac stream as the people who watch the windows stream, then i should have the same features available to me, namely, the ability to watch live
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As many persons there, I made a point to always buy a season ticket, even if I only planned to view the stream live.
I was perfectly fine with having to do extra steps to view the stream on vlc. I know i'm on a non-standard OS, it is somewhat of my responsability to do the extra work. But given Gom is now actively preventing me from watching the stream, I will not pay anymore. It's not a matter of being unable to go on Windows (Guess what? I have Starcraft 2 installed on Windows too), but it becomes a matter of symbol. I'm paying to support their industry, and the only thing I get is a slap in the face : "we don't like you, silly Linux user!"
I will watch restreams from now, but I will probably stop watching GSL as other good alternatives are starting to pop.
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On March 15 2011 02:02 Panzamelano wrote:
I think that before making all of this asumptions... we should find someone who speaks Korean to do us a favor and go to the official gom tv forums and ask about this... who knows maybe they didnt notice or something like that.
They read this forum. If they have something to say in their defense, they'll say it.
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honestly lol, it really should be available to the whole immediate public, regardless of OS.
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FWIW, GOM player works with wine on OS X using http://wineskin.doh123.com/Information.html
I'm going to test it with the stream tonight. If it works I'll put up a how-to.
Hopefully it'll allow people who've paid to watch live.
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I extract the "vlc" link then open it with Gretech very own GOM player (actually GOM plays those stream link much better than VLC imo). So technically I still watch GSL on GOM player lol
I know overload would be the issue of those direct stream but tbh the SQ Live sucks so bad, I dont know why streaming using P2P could be that bad (since octoshape works great for me). Sry Gretech, your promised GOM Streamer technology fails big time
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They are blocking it not because it's a way to view the gom stream on a mac, but because it is a way of viewing it on a windows machine. Remember GomTV is a korean country and mac barely exists there at all, thus the cost/benefit of including support for a mac is none. I would guess right now that at least 99% of their users use a windows machine (obviously I don't know exactly but 95% of the internet users use windows, and almost 100% of korea uses windows). Making a player to support 1% of their users is not worth it at all. When someone posts a VLC link and uses a player, most of the people using it will also be windows users and since GOM's business is a vlc player, it is in their interest to block windows users (and consequently mac users) from using alternate players.
No mac hate here, i used one in college, but i will never use one again (mostly because i hate apples software policies since i'm a software developer, annoying interface, and cost double of what a windows would cost without any real benefit).
GOM will probably never support mac, this is just reality, so it is probably in your best interest to find an alternative such as installing windows on your mac.
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