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On March 14 2011 22:41 hmunkey wrote:
I don't understand why GOM doesn't just make a deal with Ustream or Justin.tv to be a streaming partner. I'm sure both would jump at the chance, it would make the stream far more accessible to viewers, and they could run local targeted ads. On top of that, GOM would still have reliable viewer numbers for their sponsors if they have an official restream.
The only reason I can think of for them not doing so is to force people to use their proprietary software, which is horribly outdated and less efficient than many modern alternatives, namely VLC.
Because there's a bunch of rabid suckers who chant "support esports" like a religious mantra that will continue to throw money at them
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I don't see why they combat me watching GSL on my ipad, or behind my university's firewall. I know I can watch VOD's later, but live is just cooler. It's nothing that stops me from continuing to buy tickets, but it takes away from the GOM awesomeness indicator.
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On March 14 2011 22:43 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 22:40 Bumblebees wrote:
The GOM player for mac WAS able to watch broadcasts, and then it was disabled (or unintentionally broken?) for some reason.
Quite, I realized as much. Don't you think that's the issue you should be pushing here then?
I don't.
I think the issues is that they took money from a lot of people, then without warning or explanation have disallowed those people from using a product that GOM gives away for FREE to other people if you're using the right platform and capable of using their player.
Keep in mind that this isn't a mac/linux thing either. There are a lot of windows users who can not use GOM player for a variety of reasons.
I am not a fan of hyperbole, but it surely seems like this is a very clear instance of illegitimate business practices.
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On March 14 2011 22:42 CTStalker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 22:23 -Archangel- wrote:
I am sorry to burst your bubble, but MAC users are even more rare then Windows Vista users.
I really see no reason for them to really support Mac to gain 100 viewers. Don't post ignorant bullshit like this. Really disappointed in gom. Not supporting mac/linux for live viewing is one thing, but actively blocking user work-arounds? ridiculous
GOM not supporting mac/linux is a whole different issue than GOM actively blocking user work-arounds. You are correct in this.
In an ideal world, GOM sponsors the starleagues and they get returns through people downloading and using their product. If people could watch with whatever client they want (the client of their choice most likely and one they already have, since that is what they are most comfortable with), then GOM would really get the short end of the stick. I can guarantee that if, from day one, you could watch the GSL streams with whatever client you wanted, 90% of the people wouldn't use the Gom Player. Their enforcing of the use of the GOM player not only makes sense, but is also fair. If I was spending a shit ton of money to sponsor something, I sure as hell want to see the best possible returns on it.
The correct course of action is to release or allow the GOM player or some Pseudo GOM tech for the Linux and Mac users, and not allow the use of other players. It is bad business to alienate some of your followers though. So what they should do is accept these work-arounds as losses and try to get a working client for those users.
But to say blocking the use of VLC and what not is "bad" is just not true. Us using the GOM player is one of the main factors that allow the GSL to exist.
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On March 14 2011 22:21 Bumblebees wrote:As you can see here: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/g3lyp/fixing_vlc_issues_with_live_gomtv_streams/ among other places, it appears that GOM has been actively blocking and stopping non-windows users from accessing their streams. Every time a new method is found to view the stream, it is disabled quite quickly. (there have been discussions on IRC about a few other methods, which were all disabled within ~15 minutes of being figured out) I'm very confused by this. The GOM player for mac will not play the GSL stream, and there is no GOM player for linux. Are we relegated to simply paying for VODs and not even being able to enjoy a feature of the GSL that users of a specific platform get for free!? I can't imagine this sort of thing being good for their business or e-sports in general. Disallowing paying customers from using your service post-purchase is quite outrageous.
I don't think this is necessarily them stopping other clients. I don't see the benefit of doing that. I think they just keep updating their software for the masses (pc users) which is what it should be, I'm sorry, but the place where there should be a monopoly is on the computer OS front. It is unfortunate, but just get a VMware client.
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I hereby summon the magic of TL - make an official restream happen.
Ubuntu me is very sad to not watch anymore 
Secret Information (illegal)
+ Show Spoiler +All the VODs are out there in fantastic quality to be downloaded for free from .. certain sites. If I cannot watch it anymore - sorry GOM (or not) - I have to download them.
I dont care that much if they dont implement anything for UNIX distros .. but if someone figures out a way (most likely with that linux community) - dont intentionally destroy it. That makes me sad and kind of engages my rage mode.
EDIT : Oh I forgot something that might actually negate everything I just wrote. Does "http://mystarcraft2clan.com/gsl/" with username and password still work ? I guess not but that was my option C I didnt try today.
Please do tell if it works or not.
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On March 14 2011 22:50 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 22:49 Bumblebees wrote:. There are a lot of windows users who can not use GOM player for a variety of reasons.
I'm curious what those reasons would be.
I'm not a windows user, however I've seen complains of GOM player not working with certain network configurations (firewalls I suppose mostly), crashing on XP, and simply not loading the GSL stream for unlisted reasons
I'm sure someone else who actually has these troubles could comment better than I 
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On March 14 2011 22:42 Rannasha wrote:
edit: I just read that apparently the GOM player does display ads, shows how long it's been since I've used it. Regardless, they can easily embed the ads into the free stream rather than relying on an external program to display them. It's what pretty much every other broadcaster does as well, with good success.
Not because we want to, but because we don't have the means to do it otherwise. We can't make a streaming service cost-efficient with only our own broadcasts. Individual broadcasters would be much better off controlling our own ads, but these streaming platforms are cost effective because of the large amount of content from different sources.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but GOM produces a lot of different content aimed at their online channels/gom-player and tv?
On March 14 2011 22:49 Bumblebees wrote:
I don't.
I think the issues is that they took money from a lot of people, then without warning or explanation have disallowed those people from using a product that GOM gives away for FREE to other people if you're using the right platform and capable of using their player.
Keep in mind that this isn't a mac/linux thing either. There are a lot of windows users who can not use GOM player for a variety of reasons.
I am not a fan of hyperbole, but it surely seems like this is a very clear instance of illegitimate business practices.
Can't != Won't. I personally think it's mostly reluctance on the windows users part. They just don't want to. I'd be interested in seeing this variety of reasons.
As for the people that paid for a service they now can't get because of GOM breaking the mac player, I suspect they could get a refund if that's the big issue. Again I think it's more important to actually get the client to work for mac again and to get a client for linux that'll work because people do want to watch.
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please let us macusers watch, sux to turn on my windows computer every time i watch..
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On March 14 2011 22:53 Tufas wrote:
EDIT : Oh I forgot something that might actually negate everything I just wrote. Does "http://mystarcraft2clan.com/gsl/" with username and password still work ? I guess not but that was my option C I didnt try today.
Please do tell if it works or not.
No it does not work, they seemed to have found a way to block that as well.
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On March 14 2011 22:51 NoobSkills wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 22:21 Bumblebees wrote:As you can see here: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/g3lyp/fixing_vlc_issues_with_live_gomtv_streams/ among other places, it appears that GOM has been actively blocking and stopping non-windows users from accessing their streams. Every time a new method is found to view the stream, it is disabled quite quickly. (there have been discussions on IRC about a few other methods, which were all disabled within ~15 minutes of being figured out) I'm very confused by this. The GOM player for mac will not play the GSL stream, and there is no GOM player for linux. Are we relegated to simply paying for VODs and not even being able to enjoy a feature of the GSL that users of a specific platform get for free!? I can't imagine this sort of thing being good for their business or e-sports in general. Disallowing paying customers from using your service post-purchase is quite outrageous. I don't think this is necessarily them stopping other clients. I don't see the benefit of doing that. I think they just keep updating their software for the masses (pc users) which is what it should be, I'm sorry, but the place where there should be a monopoly is on the computer OS front. It is unfortunate, but just get a VMware client.
They are/were definitely actively blocking alternative methods. Everytime a new method was found _during the stream_ it was blocked.
Updating their software while streaming makes zero sense, nor does it makes sense that they would happen to make updates that coincidentally happen to block alternative stream methods users are finding within a short time window (~15 minutes).
What you quoted is specifically an instance of that. There were much more active discussions going on during the stream on IRC.
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On March 14 2011 22:35 Martijn wrote:
sigh
I can understand your frustration, but just to play devils advocate. Of course they want people to use the GOM Media Player for the GOMtv Star League. Promoting their client is part of their core business. Saying that they're going out of their way just to ban mac/linux users isn't fair, it's an unfortunate side-effect. The missed revenue from mac/linux users isn't going to make up for the "missed revenue" (lets just call it that for simplicity) from all the windows users refusing to use the gom client.
Point out they could be earning both if they had more support. It might be more constructive to demand that the gom player for mac can actually watch these broadcasts and that a linux version is released.
erm....you should realize its not called GOMtv Star League......
Its Global StarCraft II League.
However othewise i agree that they want to promote their client obviously.
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On March 14 2011 22:57 aScle wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 22:53 Tufas wrote:
EDIT : Oh I forgot something that might actually negate everything I just wrote. Does "http://mystarcraft2clan.com/gsl/" with username and password still work ? I guess not but that was my option C I didnt try today.
Please do tell if it works or not. No it does not work, they seemed to have found a way to block that as well.
Thank you very much. Well that pretty much ruined my day.
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On March 14 2011 22:56 Martijn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 22:42 Rannasha wrote:
edit: I just read that apparently the GOM player does display ads, shows how long it's been since I've used it. Regardless, they can easily embed the ads into the free stream rather than relying on an external program to display them. It's what pretty much every other broadcaster does as well, with good success. Not because we want to, but because we don't have the means to do it otherwise. We can't make a streaming service cost-efficient with only our own broadcasts. Individual broadcasters would be much better off controlling our own ads, but these streaming platforms are cost effective because of the large amount of content from different sources.
You would prefer releasing your own standalone program to viewers rather than having them use their own mediaplayer or providing in-browser streaming? Because that's what GOM is pushing for at the moment. And I simply can't see the benefits, since the GOMPlayer is in no way competitive with other media players, so I don't see anyone using it for things other than GSL broadcasts. And if it's about the adds, then I'm sure they can mix them directly into the stream as overlay or in the breaks between the games. With a production at their level, they should have the tech to do that server-side.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but GOM produces a lot of different content aimed at their online channels/gom-player and tv?
Judging by GomTV.net it's just the GSL and related SC2 leagues. They did other Blizzard games before, but now it's only SC2. Perhaps that they offer more content for Korean viewers.
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On March 14 2011 22:23 -Archangel- wrote:
I am sorry to burst your bubble, but MAC users are even more rare then Windows Vista users.
I really see no reason for them to really support Mac to gain 100 viewers.
I know someone called you out on this on the first page but seriously... What are you talking about? Mac sales are growing over PC sales daily. You might want to do some research because your comment on this is one of the least educated comments I've seen as of late on teamliquid.
In 2008 apple had 14% unit share of all the computers in the US. That was in 2008. Apple has had incredible growth since then. As of May 30, 2009, the US Population was estimated at 304,059,724 persons. With those old numbers that's a staggering 42,568,000 mac users in the U.S.
and to the topic, I don't even use mac/linux, but this is ridiculous. I always use the VLC player because I can't stand the GOMPlayer. Sigh.
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On March 14 2011 22:58 MasterReY wrote:
erm....you should realize its not called GOMtv Star League......
Its Global StarCraft II League.
However othewise i agree that they want to promote their client obviously.
Ah, quite, but point stands.
I guess we need a thread about the excessive amounts of acronyms used in esports these days and the headache with keeping track of all of them haha
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On March 14 2011 23:00 Rannasha wrote:
You would prefer releasing your own standalone program to viewers rather than having them use their own mediaplayer or providing in-browser streaming? Because that's what GOM is pushing for at the moment. And I simply can't see the benefits, since the GOMPlayer is in no way competitive with other media players, so I don't see anyone using it for things other than GSL broadcasts. And if it's about the adds, then I'm sure they can mix them directly into the stream as overlay or in the breaks between the games. With a production at their level, they should have the tech to do that server-side.
Isn't it supposed to have the biggest market share of any media player in Korea? I can't quote any stats, but I believe it has been mentioned on their casts. They do want to compete with other media players. Don't forget the large amount of people that just bind every extension to the gom player and then never change it. Hell, I think even on my pc there's still some files that open with gomplayer like .flv, it was kind of convenient when I had to figure out which vod was which.
On March 14 2011 23:00 Rannasha wrote:
Judging by GomTV.net it's just the GSL and related SC2 leagues. They did other Blizzard games before, but now it's only SC2. Perhaps that they offer more content for Korean viewers.
As I understand it, they make a wide range of shows for their online channel and market some of them for tv. I think someone from Korea would be able to shed more light on this.
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On March 14 2011 22:23 -Archangel- wrote:
I am sorry to burst your bubble, but MAC users are even more rare then Windows Vista users.
I really see no reason for them to really support Mac to gain 100 viewers.
sorry to burst your bubble but you sir are a troll. yes mac users are rare. guess the numbers on apples sales revenue from macs and imacs are all imaginary.
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