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I am sorry to burst your bubble, but MAC users are even more rare then Windows Vista users.
I really see no reason for them to really support Mac to gain 100 viewers.
I know people have been flaming this guy since page one but what bothers me more then anything else is that Mac is an abbreviation for Macintosh, not an acronyme. MAC is a cosmetics company. . .
I dont know if this is true about Korea, but when I was living in South America Macs were only owned by foreign tourists. I think I saw 1 apple laptop (other then mine) the whole time I was there. That being said, it doesn't make much sense then to actively destroy part of the community trying to support your company by watching your content.
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I'm done supporting GOM after they actively shut down non-restream alternatives and forced me to miss MKP's up-down matches because their official player was crashing or simply refusing to start for me and many other users. I paid for their service, their service was unreliable, I went out of my way to find a workaround other than a restream, and they actively blocked it. When NASL starts, I may just abandon the GSL entirely. The games are great, I love Tastosis, but GOM seems to be going out of their way to convince me not to tune in. If they don't give a rat's ass about the foreigner community, why should we continue to support them?
There's no reason to block VLC links. They're not restreams; they still use your GOM login and you can only VLC stream HQ if you have a season pass. It's loading off their server, just with a different client on your end. What they did is make their server block any request that doesn't identify itself as coming from the GOM Player. Heck, give us a separate alternate clients stream that has extra ads crammed into any dead air; they could literally just cut from the main stream to ads and back for the secondary stream, it wouldn't require any significant investment on their part and they would get more viewers with more ad revenue. The only explanation that makes any logical sense to me is that they want to promote GOM Player in Korea, where they sell content through it, and they don't care enough about the foreigner community to put any thought into a better approach for the English stream. I don't think they're selling many Korean movie VODs to US and Euro GSL watchers.
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On March 14 2011 22:23 -Archangel- wrote:
I am sorry to burst your bubble, but MAC users are even more rare then Windows Vista users.
I really see no reason for them to really support Mac to gain 100 viewers.
kind of funny that you think it is only 100.. it is a significant number even though they are more rare..... Windows is not the only company that makes operating systems and it is silly that they would go the distance to actually prevent mac users from watching... Imagine if they instead made their mac player work....
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To add some irony:
GOM Player is violating ffmpeg's (the free, open-source library they used to play video files) license terms, so it's actually illegal for GOM to distribute the GOM Player.
http://www.ffmpeg.org/shame.html
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I'm surprised that there are mac users out there who's machines aren't set up to also run windows.
I bought a Mac primarily for using logic, which I can't get on Windows, but I still run all my games and most other software on a bootcamp install of windows 7. In fact there are so many things about the Mac OS that I can't stand that I will go out of my way to use Windows whenever possible.
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On March 15 2011 05:04 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
I don't get why people hate the GOM player. I just downloaded it to watch the GSL from time to time. Its pretty harmless otherwise.
You clearly aren't running OSX/Lynix. You actually cannot watch even though INTEL is one of their main sponsers and INTEL processors power mac computers i just don't understand.... I mean i have essentially spent $20 watching vods which is really dumb... i just can't wait until NASL happens and i can better spend my money.
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1. Gom has always said to watch the live stream you must use Gom player and it's windows only.
2. You pay for the VOD's i think this has been mentioned more than 100 times over every thread moaning and whining about stream issues and crashes, the stream is a bonus they never once guarantee it will be seamless.
3. http://www.gomtv.net/faq/view.gom?conid=52755 >>>
'GOMTV Streamer‘ transfers at a faster rate as the number of Live Stream viewers increase, assuring you with more stabilized usage of the stream.
Since downloading the above add on I have had no issues with the stream, not 1. I have had issues with my account not logging in and they were solved with a simple email in about 10 minutes.
It is quite clear those using the vlc work around are not contributing to the stability of the live stream and then people complain about crashes so of course Gom wanting the stream to be more stable restrict this access which encourages (forces) people to use gomplayer.
The fact is Gom have been straight up about restrictions and rules since day 1, however everyone wants their restream or to use vlc player therefore going around the rules put in place.
If you have a problem installing on windows email Gom see what they say they are quite quick to reply in my experience, support@gomtv.net. And if you run linux or mac and unable to watch the live stream read the above or wait for the vods and if you don't want to do that dual boot, those look likely to be your only options till gom for mac and linux arrive.
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On March 15 2011 10:52 solistus wrote:
I'm done supporting GOM after they actively shut down non-restream alternatives and forced me to miss MKP's up-down matches because their official player was crashing or simply refusing to start for me and many other users. I paid for their service, their service was unreliable, I went out of my way to find a workaround other than a restream, and they actively blocked it. When NASL starts, I may just abandon the GSL entirely. The games are great, I love Tastosis, but GOM seems to be going out of their way to convince me not to tune in. If they don't give a rat's ass about the foreigner community, why should we continue to support them?
There's no reason to block VLC links. They're not restreams; they still use your GOM login and you can only VLC stream HQ if you have a season pass. It's loading off their server, just with a different client on your end. What they did is make their server block any request that doesn't identify itself as coming from the GOM Player. Heck, give us a separate alternate clients stream that has extra ads crammed into any dead air; they could literally just cut from the main stream to ads and back for the secondary stream, it wouldn't require any significant investment on their part and they would get more viewers with more ad revenue. The only explanation that makes any logical sense to me is that they want to promote GOM Player in Korea, where they sell content through it, and they don't care enough about the foreigner community to put any thought into a better approach for the English stream. I don't think they're selling many Korean movie VODs to US and Euro GSL watchers.
QFT.
The only reason to go out their way to block the restreams is because they don't care about the foreign viewers enough. I know there is a GOMTV restreamer addon that is supposed to create a more stable streaming environment, but that is not a mandatory addon, so whats the problem with allowing VLC restreams?
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On March 15 2011 12:57 Cerotix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 10:52 solistus wrote:
I'm done supporting GOM after they actively shut down non-restream alternatives and forced me to miss MKP's up-down matches because their official player was crashing or simply refusing to start for me and many other users. I paid for their service, their service was unreliable, I went out of my way to find a workaround other than a restream, and they actively blocked it. When NASL starts, I may just abandon the GSL entirely. The games are great, I love Tastosis, but GOM seems to be going out of their way to convince me not to tune in. If they don't give a rat's ass about the foreigner community, why should we continue to support them?
There's no reason to block VLC links. They're not restreams; they still use your GOM login and you can only VLC stream HQ if you have a season pass. It's loading off their server, just with a different client on your end. What they did is make their server block any request that doesn't identify itself as coming from the GOM Player. Heck, give us a separate alternate clients stream that has extra ads crammed into any dead air; they could literally just cut from the main stream to ads and back for the secondary stream, it wouldn't require any significant investment on their part and they would get more viewers with more ad revenue. The only explanation that makes any logical sense to me is that they want to promote GOM Player in Korea, where they sell content through it, and they don't care enough about the foreigner community to put any thought into a better approach for the English stream. I don't think they're selling many Korean movie VODs to US and Euro GSL watchers. QFT. The only reason to go out their way to block the restreams is because they don't care about the foreign viewers enough. I know there is a GOMTV restreamer addon that is supposed to create a more stable streaming environment, but that is not a mandatory addon, so whats the problem with allowing VLC restreams?
It's not a mandatory add-on but they have stated using Gomplayer is the way to view the stream.
And QFT? Really? He/She is complaining about the stream crashing which is not guaranteed as mentioned in my post above. Vod's are up go watch them THEY are what you pay for and maybe if more people were using the restreamer instead of their VLC stream everyone would have a more stable connection and no crashes? Don't give a rat's ass about the foreign community, all the players changed their name to english, they have dedicated english stream they upload english vods instead of forcing us to watch the korean ones and they're going out of their way with the foreigner house to bring foreigners over. Just because some people don't want to follow the rules doesn't mean they're not supporting the foreign scene.
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yo tell them to stop because i am tired of paying the monthly for vods just because of a time zone.
thankzzzzz
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On March 14 2011 22:29 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 22:23 -Archangel- wrote:
I am sorry to burst your bubble, but MAC users are even more rare then Windows Vista users.
I really see no reason for them to really support Mac to gain 100 viewers. There's a difference between not giving support and going out of your way to block them. Mac and Linux users were quite happily using VLC to watch the GSL matches. It all goes via GomTVs website, their login, up to the point where you click the button to watch and instead of opening in the GomPlayer, the stream would open in VLC. No illegal activities such as restreaming needed. Granted, it took a bit more effort to setup, but it worked fine. And now GomTV is spending time and money to make sure that the few Mac/Linux viewers, who had been watching through official channels, can't watch anymore. Bad business decision if ever there was one.
Even though that guy got already smashed I gotta add... wow that was one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on TL..
Anyway, I am 100% quoting Rannasha.
There's a big difference between not supporting and ACTIVELY trying to screw us over.
I am part of the big mac SC2 community and I am sure there's plenty of people with Linux as well who would like to watch their HQ live stream that they LEGALLY paid when the game is live.
Yesterday I had to use a restream because they prevented me from watching the up/down matches and I did purchase a season ticket. Yes the VODS are nice but I actually happen to be awake when they stream the live even so I do prefer watching it live in HQ.
This latest decision made me really consider not buying a new ticket for the next season unless they do something about it or announce something REALLY quick
Also, just to for the record...
I am not sure about Europe AND even for the rest of U.S. but I can guarantee you that in California there's a HUGE Mac SC2 community.. And.. we happen to have a state with a shitload of ppl.. Just saying :D Just between me, my classmates and some other friends I know more than 45 people that use Mac os to play SC2 and half of them watch GSL....  I actually do know more people that run Mac OS than Windows... so >_>
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On March 15 2011 13:13 ShyRamen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 22:29 Rannasha wrote:On March 14 2011 22:23 -Archangel- wrote:
I am sorry to burst your bubble, but MAC users are even more rare then Windows Vista users.
I really see no reason for them to really support Mac to gain 100 viewers. There's a difference between not giving support and going out of your way to block them. Mac and Linux users were quite happily using VLC to watch the GSL matches. It all goes via GomTVs website, their login, up to the point where you click the button to watch and instead of opening in the GomPlayer, the stream would open in VLC. No illegal activities such as restreaming needed. Granted, it took a bit more effort to setup, but it worked fine. And now GomTV is spending time and money to make sure that the few Mac/Linux viewers, who had been watching through official channels, can't watch anymore. Bad business decision if ever there was one. Even though that guy got already smashed I gotta add... wow that was one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on TL.. Anyway, I am 100% quoting Rannasha. There's a big difference between not supporting and ACTIVELY trying to screw us over. I am part of the big mac SC2 community and I am sure there's plenty of people with Linux as well who would like to watch their HQ live stream that they LEGALLY paid when the game is live. Yesterday I had to use a restream because they prevented me from watching the up/down matches and I did purchase a season ticket. Yes the VODS are nice but I actually happen to be awake when they stream the live even so I do prefer watching it live in HQ. This latest decision made me really consider not buying a new ticket for the next season unless they do something about it or announce something REALLY quick Also, just to for the record... I am not sure about Europe AND even for the rest of U.S. but I can guarantee you that in California there's a HUGE Mac SC2 community.. And.. we happen to have a state with a shitload of ppl.. Just saying :D Just between me, my classmates and some other friends I know more than 45 people that use Mac os to play SC2 and half of them watch GSL.... I actually do know more people that run Mac OS than Windows... so >_>
Thats great but the fact is they stated when you purchase the ticket you need to use gomplayer that isn't supported by mac and that you're paying for Vod's. So once again read what's in front of you or dual boot, or use virtual pc on your mac? Watching live is great but if you don't have the hardware for it you can't watch it. I don't see how so many people who apparently bought a ticket didn't read the restrictions or just decided they somehow didn't apply to them.
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Except you didn't LEGALLY pay for any live stream >_____________<
It may or may not be a jerk move from GOM (nobody here should pretend they know anything about any of the reasons why GOM doesn't "support" other Operating Systems without having specific proof), but you guys are complaining about the wrong thing.
And I'm pretty darn sure Korea is almost entirely Windows-oriented. It sort of makes sense where there priorities lie.
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On March 15 2011 13:19 Zeke50100 wrote:
Except you didn't LEGALLY pay for any live stream >_____________<
It may or may not be a jerk move from GOM (nobody here should pretend they know anything about any of the reasons why GOM doesn't "support" other Operating Systems without having specific proof), but you guys are complaining about the wrong thing.
And I'm pretty darn sure Korea is almost entirely Windows-oriented. It sort of makes sense where there priorities lie.
Funny thing is there is a Korean MACgom beta... so yea it might be in the works for english
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On March 15 2011 13:22 Herper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 13:19 Zeke50100 wrote:
Except you didn't LEGALLY pay for any live stream >_____________<
It may or may not be a jerk move from GOM (nobody here should pretend they know anything about any of the reasons why GOM doesn't "support" other Operating Systems without having specific proof), but you guys are complaining about the wrong thing.
And I'm pretty darn sure Korea is almost entirely Windows-oriented. It sort of makes sense where there priorities lie. Funny thing is there is a Korean MACgom beta... so yea it might be in the works for english
Which is really only proof that GOM is working for support and compatibility. I'm not surprised that Korea gets "first dibs" on anything from GOM 
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I don't think you guys understand what Gretech gains from running a StarCraft II tournament. What is their goal, their gain?
People using the GOM Player. Stop kidding yourselves.
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On March 15 2011 13:22 Herper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 13:19 Zeke50100 wrote:
Except you didn't LEGALLY pay for any live stream >_____________<
It may or may not be a jerk move from GOM (nobody here should pretend they know anything about any of the reasons why GOM doesn't "support" other Operating Systems without having specific proof), but you guys are complaining about the wrong thing.
And I'm pretty darn sure Korea is almost entirely Windows-oriented. It sort of makes sense where there priorities lie. Funny thing is there is a Korean MACgom beta... so yea it might be in the works for english
ahah i was about to say the same..
also.. they are supporting the foreign community with all their moves so it does not make any sense saying that korea is a windows based country.
as a matter of fact... every country is more windows-based since the mac/linux % is always lower.
there's some areas in the world where those community are pretty damn big (like california for mac) so.. not supporting these communities is just dumb and I do think this is one of their dumbest moves so far
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I can't get the GOM player to work properly on Windows, always crash or get an error code. VLC gives me no problem, so blarggggg, at least finding restreams isn't that hard.
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On March 15 2011 13:26 ShyRamen wrote:
they are supporting the foreign community with all their moves(...)
(...)not supporting these communities is just dumb and I do think this is one of their dumbest moves so far
Please get your shit straight and stop using "dumb". Makes YOU look dumb.
More seriously GOM is doing what they can, OK ? They're developping a MAC player so that you poor victimized and discriminated MAC users can watch GOM broadcasts. What more do you want?
This "debate" is getting nowhere. I guess some people love to argue for the sake of arguing.
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On March 15 2011 13:25 Wolf wrote:
I don't think you guys understand what Gretech gains from running a StarCraft II tournament. What is their goal, their gain?
People using the GOM Player. Stop kidding yourselves.
Then they should release a Mac GOM Player. I don't know how many times I've said the same thing in this topic. Yes, there's a Korean beta version, great, but I would much rather be watching the Casting Archon in English than the Korean cast. They've been, perhaps inadvertently, screwing over Mac users since day 1, and it's about time they realize it.
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