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On March 15 2011 12:52 chenchen wrote:
Hey guys, I just want to make this clear, because there's a lot of misconception regarding this.
South Korea is a highly highly developed country, easily one of the fifteen most developed countries in the world (actually widely considered to be ranked 10th-15th) along with nations like NA (no Mexico), Northern Europe, Japan, and Australia.
The cost and standard of living in Korea is very high and comparable to that of any other urban first world country. The Seoul area is especially notoriously expensive.
Thank god the team picks up their food and board! If they didn't, they might have no money considering all those drinking binges/shopping sprees that pro gamers are renown for.
But seriously, they have nothing to actually spend the money on, besides luxuries. 30k of disposable income is perfectly fine, even if you live in a very expensive city.
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On March 15 2011 23:54 C5Five wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 14:48 oncearunner wrote:
^^heh its "80" hours a week but its palyng a video game. time flies when ur having fun
imagine being the assistant manager at my restaurant working 70 hours a week on salary You're also melting your brain/eyes/nerves all along. Just try to play 11 hours a day of SC2 and enjoy the symptoms you'll get (blurry vision, intense headaches, nausea, back pain, tetany attacks, tremor, etc) If half of your salary is there just to cover the extensive amount of medical care you'll need to go thru, I say it's not worth the hassle.
Come on, man. Just which progamer has needed an extensive medical care for playing too much game? There's a reason there are many progamers and hopefuls in Korea. It's a worthwhile job for them.
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I thought the cost of living was quite low in SK. Also seem to remeber Huk saying on his stream that food was quite cheap.
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On March 15 2011 23:54 C5Five wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 14:48 oncearunner wrote:
^^heh its "80" hours a week but its palyng a video game. time flies when ur having fun
imagine being the assistant manager at my restaurant working 70 hours a week on salary You're also melting your brain/eyes/nerves all along. Just try to play 11 hours a day of SC2 and enjoy the symptoms you'll get (blurry vision, intense headaches, nausea, back pain, tetany attacks, tremor, etc) If half of your salary is there just to cover the extensive amount of medical care you'll need to go thru, I say it's not worth the hassle.
I've been playing video games for nearly 19 years now, and quite extensively (For instance during my FFXI binge I played something ridiculous like 250 days in a 4 year time period). That's not even counting my Halo, RA95, AoK, etc. days.
Yes, my eyes have become more near-sighted over the years, but that will happen to anyone who works on a computer for any amount of protracted time (and let's face it -- lots and lots of people work on computers for 8+ hours a day.) Hell, I sit in front of a computer for 12 hours a day at my work (USCG), and then usually for another 6-8 when I get home and for 10+ hours on my days off. My computer is my entertainment system (Music, TV, Movies, Games, etc.). I hardly have any headaches, nausea, back pain (learn how to properly sit and or buy a good chair), tremors, etc.
I am sure being a construction worker or some other menial task-doer is vastly better for you.
If you don't think it's worth the price then say it -- each person has their own subjective values, but to objectively state that you incur loss due to medical expenses later in life because you played a video game is quite laughable. (CTS is quite rare)
As a Radioman it's even worse for me because in my line of work it isn't uncommon to have loss of hearing later in life -- and the military doesn't pay disability for that (And I make ~36k a year as an E-4 with 4 years).
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On March 16 2011 00:48 Sein wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 23:54 C5Five wrote:On March 14 2011 14:48 oncearunner wrote:
^^heh its "80" hours a week but its palyng a video game. time flies when ur having fun
imagine being the assistant manager at my restaurant working 70 hours a week on salary You're also melting your brain/eyes/nerves all along. Just try to play 11 hours a day of SC2 and enjoy the symptoms you'll get (blurry vision, intense headaches, nausea, back pain, tetany attacks, tremor, etc) If half of your salary is there just to cover the extensive amount of medical care you'll need to go thru, I say it's not worth the hassle. Come on, man. Just which progamer has needed an extensive medical care for playing too much game? There's a reason there are many progamers and hopefuls in Korea. It's a worthwhile job for them.
tlo doesnt have serious wrist problems or anything right?
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On March 16 2011 01:18 Wegandi wrote:
I've been playing video games for nearly 19 years now, and quite extensively (For instance during my FFXI binge I played something ridiculous like 250 days in a 4 year time period). That's not even counting my Halo, RA95, AoK, etc. days.
Yes, my eyes have become more near-sighted over the years, but that will happen to anyone who works on a computer for any amount of protracted time (and let's face it -- lots and lots of people work on computers for 8+ hours a day.) Hell, I sit in front of a computer for 12 hours a day at my work (USCG), and then usually for another 6-8 when I get home and for 10+ hours on my days off. My computer is my entertainment system (Music, TV, Movies, Games, etc.). I hardly have any headaches, nausea, back pain (learn how to properly sit and or buy a good chair), tremors, etc.
I am sure being a construction worker or some other menial task-doer is vastly better for you.
If you don't think it's worth the price then say it -- each person has their own subjective values, but to objectively state that you incur loss due to medical expenses later in life because you played a video game is quite laughable. (CTS is quite rare)
As a Radioman it's even worse for me because in my line of work it isn't uncommon to have loss of hearing later in life -- and the military doesn't pay disability for that (And I make ~36k a year as an E-4 with 4 years).
Yeah, at work, watching tabs or text. Everyone can read a screen for hours without problems.
Remaining focused on a game like SC2 or even a shooter for instance for several hours WILL fuck you up.
Try it one day. Play from like 4 pm to 2 am without interruption (maybe only for bio and eating). I'd love to hear how many painkillers you'll have to ingest to calm that intense brain ache.
It also engraves patterns into your muscles. Ever noticed that little callus most people using computers have at the base of their hands ? Yeah, that. Why do you think moving your hand in the opposite direction feels so "weird" ?
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On March 15 2011 12:52 chenchen wrote:
Hey guys, I just want to make this clear, because there's a lot of misconception regarding this.
South Korea is a highly highly developed country, easily one of the fifteen most developed countries in the world (actually widely considered to be ranked 10th-15th) along with nations like NA (no Mexico), Northern Europe, Japan, and Australia.
The cost and standard of living in Korea is very high and comparable to that of any other urban first world country. The Seoul area is especially notoriously expensive.
South korea is ranked #33 in terms of GDP per capita according to the international monetary fund (2010) with $20165. US is $47,132 at 9th, Australia $54,869 at 6th. So yea, you are quite wrong..
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Are people really questioning that South Korea is a developed nation? It's a G-20 economy and one of the most tech-oriented countries that there is. Seriously, I would be blown the fuck away if Seoul, South Korea wasn't one of the most expensive cities in the world.
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Isn't the average Korean still making less than 20k USD per year? I'd say making 30k to play video games is pretty good, regardless of the "long hours" required to stay at the top level.
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On March 18 2011 10:16 C5Five wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 01:18 Wegandi wrote:
I've been playing video games for nearly 19 years now, and quite extensively (For instance during my FFXI binge I played something ridiculous like 250 days in a 4 year time period). That's not even counting my Halo, RA95, AoK, etc. days.
Yes, my eyes have become more near-sighted over the years, but that will happen to anyone who works on a computer for any amount of protracted time (and let's face it -- lots and lots of people work on computers for 8+ hours a day.) Hell, I sit in front of a computer for 12 hours a day at my work (USCG), and then usually for another 6-8 when I get home and for 10+ hours on my days off. My computer is my entertainment system (Music, TV, Movies, Games, etc.). I hardly have any headaches, nausea, back pain (learn how to properly sit and or buy a good chair), tremors, etc.
I am sure being a construction worker or some other menial task-doer is vastly better for you.
If you don't think it's worth the price then say it -- each person has their own subjective values, but to objectively state that you incur loss due to medical expenses later in life because you played a video game is quite laughable. (CTS is quite rare)
As a Radioman it's even worse for me because in my line of work it isn't uncommon to have loss of hearing later in life -- and the military doesn't pay disability for that (And I make ~36k a year as an E-4 with 4 years). Yeah, at work, watching tabs or text. Everyone can read a screen for hours without problems. Remaining focused on a game like SC2 or even a shooter for instance for several hours WILL fuck you up. Try it one day. Play from like 4 pm to 2 am without interruption (maybe only for bio and eating). I'd love to hear how many painkillers you'll have to ingest to calm that intense brain ache. It also engraves patterns into your muscles. Ever noticed that little callus most people using computers have at the base of their hands ? Yeah, that. Why do you think moving your hand in the opposite direction feels so "weird" ?
I've done an 8 hour session of SC2 before and I didn't feel any head aches after. Sure it was a bit tiring, but I don't think it was mentally damaging at all. Granted, I don't know how it would feel if you did that everyday, but still I don't see any of the Korean progamers on painkillers.
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On March 18 2011 10:15 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 00:48 Sein wrote:On March 15 2011 23:54 C5Five wrote:On March 14 2011 14:48 oncearunner wrote:
^^heh its "80" hours a week but its palyng a video game. time flies when ur having fun
imagine being the assistant manager at my restaurant working 70 hours a week on salary You're also melting your brain/eyes/nerves all along. Just try to play 11 hours a day of SC2 and enjoy the symptoms you'll get (blurry vision, intense headaches, nausea, back pain, tetany attacks, tremor, etc) If half of your salary is there just to cover the extensive amount of medical care you'll need to go thru, I say it's not worth the hassle. Come on, man. Just which progamer has needed an extensive medical care for playing too much game? There's a reason there are many progamers and hopefuls in Korea. It's a worthwhile job for them. tlo doesnt have serious wrist problems or anything right?
CTS has a very strong genetic predisposition and if it really is CTS, I doubt it's that serious considering he's still playing at the top level and entering many tournaments.
It'd be a rare case anyway EVEN IF playing too much starcraft actually directly caused CTS for TLO. Some football players have wrecked their legs while playing football. Does that mean professional footballers are doing something not worth the risk? Just read the post that I was originally replying to and tell me it isn't vastly exaggerated.
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On March 18 2011 10:29 Turgid wrote:
Are people really questioning that South Korea is a developed nation? It's a G-20 economy and one of the most tech-oriented countries that there is. Seriously, I would be blown the fuck away if Seoul, South Korea wasn't one of the most expensive cities in the world.
No one is questioning the first world nature of S korea. People are just pointing out that the average S korean makes considerably less than countries where the majority of the TL viewership resides. Hence it is safe to assume there is a disparity in the purchasing power of $30k USD.
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Congrats to TSL and their coach. They're really fortunate to secure funding. I'm sure their salaries aren't the only money they'll be seeing this year. Now that they don't need to worry about money and can focus entirely on Starcraft I'm certain they'll get a lot better! Probably will increase team morale a lot as well.
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On March 14 2011 15:49 Doraemon wrote:
30,000 USD is quite substantial when you factor in the cost of living in korea is considerably cheaper than any western countries. albeit the clock in 80 hours a week, the salary i believe would be equivalent of 60,000USD if you were living in the states.
You need to do some research! Seoul is one of the most expensive cities in the world to live in. Much more expensive than most cities in the west.
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On March 14 2011 15:13 nokz88 wrote:
Hm, as I suspected, there seems to be a number of foreign teams that pay their players salaries. But both articles put a strong emphasis on "first". Maybe they mean "first korean SC2 team"?
I don't think foreign teams pay their players much. Maybe 5k/year for Idra, which is probably one of the highest paid foreign players.
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On March 14 2011 15:23 Alphaes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 15:20 kagemucha wrote:On March 14 2011 15:13 ch33psh33p wrote:On March 14 2011 15:08 Backpack wrote:On March 14 2011 14:55 FXOpen wrote:I've been paying my players a salary since December..... Gotta love media  Pretty sure liquid and EG also pay salaries... No idea where this article is coming from How much, FXOBoss? Yes, how much? :D I doubt he'll say. It's apparently taboo to disclose that sort of info, at least in the western e-sport scene.
The reason foreign players don't disclose their salary is because it's low, maybe a few thousands/year for players like Idra; the rest of players maybe 2k from endorsement. Based on the fact that he trains 10hrs/day and only won $800 bucks from IEM. This just shows you how much they get pay compared to their tournament winnings. Generally, people don't disclose their earnings unless they make more money compared to others in the same profession. It's not taboo at all.
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On March 15 2011 23:54 C5Five wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2011 14:48 oncearunner wrote:
^^heh its "80" hours a week but its palyng a video game. time flies when ur having fun
imagine being the assistant manager at my restaurant working 70 hours a week on salary You're also melting your brain/eyes/nerves all along. Just try to play 11 hours a day of SC2 and enjoy the symptoms you'll get (blurry vision, intense headaches, nausea, back pain, tetany attacks, tremor, etc) If half of your salary is there just to cover the extensive amount of medical care you'll need to go thru, I say it's not worth the hassle.
... it's called proper posture dood.
If I went out to chop wood for an hour every day I would easily f*ck up my shoulders, back, wrists etc. pretty quickly as well if pretended to be a hunched troll.
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On March 14 2011 15:58 Cedstick wrote:SK has cheaper living costs than in North America -- I personally can't compare to the EU -- and they already have their room, board, and supposed food paid for, so 31k is actually pretty damn good. Until you disclose specifics, stop trying to turn this in to your thread 
Until you disclose the cost of living comparison between South Korea and the states, don't post assumptions. If you said rural SK, then it might be true; but Seoul and the surrounding region have one of the highest cost of living in the world according to most studies.
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Such good news! Can't wait to see more teams follow (assuming Starcraft 2 goes on to have a healthy lifespan)
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