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On March 08 2011 04:40 jeremycafe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 03:38 chonkyfire wrote:On March 08 2011 03:04 jeremycafe wrote:
I find Erik to be a much better caster than Artosis. I would love for Erik and to be one the casters of Code S. you don't care about game analysis? don't get me wrong I think erik is a fine caster, but in terms of game knowledge he doesn't even come close to artosis Artosis is constantly calling units by the wrong name and consistently misses things. Instead of improving what does he do? He makes his "omg nerds are gonna make fun of me over this one" in a nerdy voice. Artosis isn't getting any better. I'd put my money on Erik getting better over time when it comes to analysis.
I think you underestimate how good Artosis is as an analytical caster.
Your opinion is completely wrong (quite a feat for an opinion!).
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On March 08 2011 04:14 eiger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 04:00 StutteR wrote:
Guy has a pretty nice voice but not very exciting. Being a humanities major I find it hard to believe he couldn't add 150 three times... but it could have been nerves. It was a half joke You wouldn't have noticed if Artosis had said it Tastosis are just amazing, head and shoulders above all the others (impressive considering Wheat, Chill, Day9, etc) I sit there and actually laugh, which is rare, its beautiful and I hope it goes on forever, but they will just burn out unless they get a few extra commentators Based on many casters I've heard, Kelly is great for a girl casting in a mans world (you don't see any female casters for the big men games, superbowl, rugby, football, etc) She is very enthusiastic and quite knowledgeable. However her accent/voice isn't the best, and honestly, no matter how hard they try, girls in computer games (AT THE MOMENT) are a distraction when 99.9% of gaming pop is male, same thing as having a single good looking girl in a poker game - nice to look at but ultimately distracting, and the guys turn into douches This new guy is above average.. not instantly funny, but nice to listen to, has decent-ish knowledge, and has a good professional air about him which is v important.
Not to take anything away from your points or this discussion, but I just wanted to point out that over 40% of gamers are female (check theesa). And from the latest Ksr fnd source I could find, boys still play three times as much videogames as girls when looking at amount of hours, but still, that means girls are playing 25%
As for Starcraft 2 specifically... probably a lot fewer girls. But my anecdotal evidence: I know two girls who play the game, and probably a couple dozen* guys who do... which is damn well over 90% male, but hell
Anyway, yeah, I think it's good as you said to have a girl in a boy's world. Just making the other sex more visible in this domain (or do I mean demesne?) would probably help to bring more females in, and I think it's good to bring more of any kind of people in
*Is that really how you spell dozen? Wow. I'm getting that feeling you sometimes get when you happened to have not written a specific word in a while, and then you write it and it is weiiiird
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On March 08 2011 04:40 jeremycafe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 03:38 chonkyfire wrote:On March 08 2011 03:04 jeremycafe wrote:
I find Erik to be a much better caster than Artosis. I would love for Erik and to be one the casters of Code S. you don't care about game analysis? don't get me wrong I think erik is a fine caster, but in terms of game knowledge he doesn't even come close to artosis Artosis is constantly calling units by the wrong name and consistently misses things. Instead of improving what does he do? He makes his "omg nerds are gonna make fun of me over this one" in a nerdy voice. Artosis isn't getting any better. I'd put my money on Erik getting better over time when it comes to analysis.
Do you realize that there's no such thing as a caster that never misspeaks or catches every single thing? Do you realize the actual depth of Artosis's analysis? Do you realize how ridiculous it is stating that a platinum player will get better than Artosis over time when it comes to analysis when Artosis has been dedicated to playing and analyzing pro Starcraft for years? Do you realize how much you seem like a mindless hater with no actual argument?
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I'm sorry but the guy is extremely bland and does nothing but state the obvious all the time. He's like a vapid clone of Artosis with a bad sense of humour...
I'm really surprised that people are giving him such a warm welcome after the slaughter brought down upon Kelly. Kinda smells of sexism tbh :p
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On March 08 2011 04:40 jeremycafe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 03:38 chonkyfire wrote:On March 08 2011 03:04 jeremycafe wrote:
I find Erik to be a much better caster than Artosis. I would love for Erik and to be one the casters of Code S. you don't care about game analysis? don't get me wrong I think erik is a fine caster, but in terms of game knowledge he doesn't even come close to artosis Artosis is constantly calling units by the wrong name and consistently misses things. Instead of improving what does he do? He makes his "omg nerds are gonna make fun of me over this one" in a nerdy voice. Artosis isn't getting any better. I'd put my money on Erik getting better over time when it comes to analysis.
Something that was really bugging me about Tastosis the other night was them blatently calling the Twilight Council, a Citadel. Yeah I know in BW that was the term but come on. You guys are professionals, use the proper terms.
I was suprised to see someone that I had never heard of before when I watched Code A this morning. I found Erik to be decent enough, but having only watched the Huk set so far I will reserve my judgement until I've heard him a little more.
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On March 08 2011 04:59 nikj wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 04:40 jeremycafe wrote:On March 08 2011 03:38 chonkyfire wrote:On March 08 2011 03:04 jeremycafe wrote:
I find Erik to be a much better caster than Artosis. I would love for Erik and to be one the casters of Code S. you don't care about game analysis? don't get me wrong I think erik is a fine caster, but in terms of game knowledge he doesn't even come close to artosis Artosis is constantly calling units by the wrong name and consistently misses things. Instead of improving what does he do? He makes his "omg nerds are gonna make fun of me over this one" in a nerdy voice. Artosis isn't getting any better. I'd put my money on Erik getting better over time when it comes to analysis. Something that was really bugging me about Tastosis the other night was them blatently calling the Twilight Council, a Citadel. Yeah I know in BW that was the term but come on. You guys are professionals, use the proper terms. I was suprised to see someone that I had never heard of before when I watched Code A this morning. I found Erik to be decent enough, but having only watched the Huk set so far I will reserve my judgement until I've heard him a little more.
To be fair about the citadel thing, I didn't even notice until you pointed it out here (and I'm willing to bet anyone else who played years of brood war will say the same). They're not doing it to be edgy and old school, it's just been burned into our minds that protoss tech is stargate robo citadel and when it turns into stargate robo twilight council it's an easy mistake to make in the heat of a match.
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On March 08 2011 04:50 Consolidate wrote:
I think you underestimate how good Artosis is as an analytical caster.
Your opinion is completely wrong (quite a feat for an opinion!).
I agree with this, but after the team league, I needed a break from Artosis. He was screaming his head off in every match and tasteless couldn't even get in a word. Artosis was both the commentator and the caster towards the end there.
I <3 my toucan, though. He's chilled out.
That said, I'm five minutes into the GSL games from yesterday, and I think erik is going to do GREAT. He's got the calmer demeanor and doesn't really present himself like an irritating nerd. Great voice for the job, too.
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On March 08 2011 04:16 mnofstl007 wrote:
Here is my 2 cents,
These are not personal attacks or insults on either caster, just my opinion.
I thought Doa did really well. I thought he was very well spoken, he didnt studder often or get caught up on his sentences. His casting was very solid. He knew what he was talking about, seemed knowledgable, not as knowledgable as Artosis, but knowledgable. I think his problem, when compared against the casting Archon, is the chemistry of being put with some1 to cast with who you enjoy working with and mesh well with.
Again this is just my opinion, but Kelly is reason enough for me to mute the sound. Her english is very poor, her jokes are never funny, and she does not seem very insightful, whether she is or is not knowledgable, i can't tell. She leads them into a lot of awkward moments by ending conversations or back n forths instead of playing on them and giving open ended statements. She makes jokes and then cackles at them, but she is the only one laughing whereas the other caster just goes into a "this is awkward" moment.
In my opinion half of the casters last night did an excellent job.
The number of people who used this thread to criticize Kelly is unbelievable. This is about the new caster. If the chemistry is not there, how is it just Kelly's fault? It is just as much doa's responsibility. Your statement that "half of the casters last night did an excellent job" just reveals your thinly veiled attacks on Kelly.
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I think he's a decent caster. Nothing to rave about but he has a very good voice and would work well with another decent caster. Problem is kelly just drags down who ever is sitting besides her. Good sports casters cover for each other (alla tastosis) even when the jokes are bad it can still be funny and entertaining if the casters are working with each other.
So yeah If Moletrap were to replace Kelly I think Gom could climb out of the hole they got themselves into casting wise.
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Without comparing Doa to Tastosis I think he is an absolutely amazing caster and would hate it so much if he didn't stick around. While I don't approve of any of the kellymilkies hate I would rather that he had a co-caster that had a good accent for English at the very least until Kelly improves her speech in English.
Just curious though whatever happened to lilsussie? Her casts with Tasteless were HILARIOUS.
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Question: Why are people voting that they have never heard of him. Why not find out who he is, listen to a cast or two and then come back and actually have a valid opinion on the guy and create discussion......
I watched a few of his youtube casts and thought he was doing a great job! Hopefully everything works out for him!
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On March 08 2011 05:09 simulatedvacuum wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 04:59 nikj wrote:On March 08 2011 04:40 jeremycafe wrote:On March 08 2011 03:38 chonkyfire wrote:On March 08 2011 03:04 jeremycafe wrote:
I find Erik to be a much better caster than Artosis. I would love for Erik and to be one the casters of Code S. you don't care about game analysis? don't get me wrong I think erik is a fine caster, but in terms of game knowledge he doesn't even come close to artosis Artosis is constantly calling units by the wrong name and consistently misses things. Instead of improving what does he do? He makes his "omg nerds are gonna make fun of me over this one" in a nerdy voice. Artosis isn't getting any better. I'd put my money on Erik getting better over time when it comes to analysis. Something that was really bugging me about Tastosis the other night was them blatently calling the Twilight Council, a Citadel. Yeah I know in BW that was the term but come on. You guys are professionals, use the proper terms. I was suprised to see someone that I had never heard of before when I watched Code A this morning. I found Erik to be decent enough, but having only watched the Huk set so far I will reserve my judgement until I've heard him a little more. To be fair about the citadel thing, I didn't even notice until you pointed it out here (and I'm willing to bet anyone else who played years of brood war will say the same). They're not doing it to be edgy and old school, it's just been burned into our minds that protoss tech is stargate robo citadel and when it turns into stargate robo twilight council it's an easy mistake to make in the heat of a match.
Tastosis have been doing this since the beginning of SC2. As has almost every other caster; Day9, Chill, and yes... even "doa" said hydralisk cavern at least once in the very few casts of his I watched.
It's not a big deal at all.
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Yea, why is this person receiving such warm welcome when kelly did not...weird. Right now Kelly is much better
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Just give it some time. Don't say "He will improve" or he "He won't improve". Let him have a go. He will improve, or he won't. You don't know.
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On March 08 2011 04:59 Kickboxer wrote:
I'm sorry but the guy is extremely bland and does nothing but state the obvious all the time. He's like a vapid clone of Artosis with a bad sense of humour...
I'm really surprised that people are giving him such a warm welcome after the slaughter brought down upon Kelly. Kinda smells of sexism tbh :p
Smells more like he has a very clear and easy casting voice that is better understood on the immediate listen.
But back to the point, after watching some of the VODs, I'd say DOA is like what TorcH would have brought to the casting gig, a nice voice, decent analysis, but he really lacks a good color commentator.
Artosis works in a weird way because he is kind of hilarious by himself or alongside Tasteless, I don't think DOA has that ability so the casts with Kelly today were good, but kind of boring except for the odd bits of mostly awkward humor (and not in the fake awkwardness of says the Tastosis bromance).
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He speaks without a heavy nasal accent, and I can understand what he's saying. Obviously I'm going to support him over Kelly. Am I unforgiving towards women? No. Am I unforgiving towards heavily-accented English speakers in a professional, paid announcing situation? Yes.
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On March 08 2011 04:51 vrok wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2011 04:40 jeremycafe wrote:On March 08 2011 03:38 chonkyfire wrote:On March 08 2011 03:04 jeremycafe wrote:
I find Erik to be a much better caster than Artosis. I would love for Erik and to be one the casters of Code S. you don't care about game analysis? don't get me wrong I think erik is a fine caster, but in terms of game knowledge he doesn't even come close to artosis Artosis is constantly calling units by the wrong name and consistently misses things. Instead of improving what does he do? He makes his "omg nerds are gonna make fun of me over this one" in a nerdy voice. Artosis isn't getting any better. I'd put my money on Erik getting better over time when it comes to analysis. Do you realize that there's no such thing as a caster that never misspeaks or catches every single thing? Do you realize the actual depth of Artosis's analysis? Do you realize how ridiculous it is stating that a platinum player will get better than Artosis over time when it comes to analysis when Artosis has been dedicated to playing and analyzing pro Starcraft for years? Do you realize how much you seem like a mindless hater with no actual argument?
Of course every caster will make mistakes. But making them every other topic is a bit excessive. The guy is constantly messing up or cutting dan off while he is talking. He is not a good public speaker at all. It takes more than just knowing what the game is.
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I thought Doa and Kelly were a much better mix than Tasteless and kelly. He actually really reminds me of tasteless, both in looks and voice. His humor was a little lacking, but hey it was his 4th day in korea and he probably got the jitters. His first cast was pretty good and Im looking forward to watching more of him. He really could have been better if Kelly was replaced imo..........
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Honestly, give DoA some time. I know a lot of you might disagree but look how far Kelly has come in her short run. And not to be harsh on her, but I feel like DoA has way more room to improve since he isn't held back by a weird accent. I actually found his personality to jive better with Kelly moreso than Tastosis as well, so I think this group has some potential.
Once DoA warms up a bit and gets comfortable, I honestly feel like he has a huge potential at the GSL. His sense of humor is very funny. You should check out some of his work with CatsPajamasSC.
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