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xilaratu
United States233 Posts
THESE ARE NOT HYDRALISKS. THEY ARE HYDRALISKS WITH THE EXACT SAME STATS AS MARINES. It is a comparison of missile based attacks versus instant attacks. Back on topic, I think it's an interesting note, but it's nothing new. I don't think there's any sort of matchup imbalance because of this. | ||
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Tiax;mous
669 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
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whatthefat
United States918 Posts
On March 07 2011 00:34 Tiax;mous wrote: Are you guys sure about Hydra not having smart fire? I really doubt it to be honest , I thought no units in Sc2 can overkill. Of course they do, it's obvious when playing the game, e.g., in the midst of battle, if you tell a bunch of roaches to attack a siege tank that's within range and on 10 life, all the roaches shoot it. | ||
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Tiax;mous
669 Posts
On March 07 2011 00:51 whatthefat wrote: Of course they do, it's obvious when playing the game, e.g., in the midst of battle, if you tell a bunch of roaches to attack a siege tank that's within range and on 10 life, all the roaches shoot it. Obviously I was talking about AI attack , not right clicking. | ||
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Fuzer
Finland266 Posts
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
On March 07 2011 00:50 morimacil wrote: they shoot, they dont overkill. We call that smart fire, thus there is such a thing as smart fire. Aye, banelings are the only zerg uit that never overkills. Just because you call it something doesnt mean it exists. It was in no way intentional. You guys make it sound like theres some sofisticated algorithm that makes it happen. But it's just a result of the game engine. Lets compare it to this example. A flood kills a lot of people in some religious place. They call it an act of god. That sure doesn't mean god exists. | ||
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Xadar
497 Posts
For the hydras for example: 1.Take like 10 hydras 2.Burrow a zergling (from the other team) 3.Move hydras to the zergling 4. Unborrow it If more than 3-4 hydras shoot at the zergling they do overkill ofc. Just for those asking if units overkill.. | ||
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Tiax;mous
669 Posts
On March 07 2011 00:53 Fuzer wrote: If you want a fun fact... Hydras have bigger range and such a situation will never happen in real game. If you do the same test with bigger concade and some more range between units, I bet 100 euros that you will beat marines way easier. Not reading to OP properly will cost you 100 Euros man. In those circumstances , no concave or range can save hydras... | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
This videos purpose is to demonstrate the power that units with insta shot have. I don't understand how this video even fulfills this purpose. Shouldn't it compare insta shot hydras to missle shot hydras? Or perhaps missle shot marines to insta shot marines. | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
On March 06 2011 23:55 OFCORPSE wrote: That's sick. They were instant in BW right? why did they decide to shoot spines instead of that acid spit anyway. Good luck with trying to avoid the balance discussion though So that PDD could have usage against more than just mutas. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
On March 07 2011 00:58 Count9 wrote: I don't understand how this video even fulfills this purpose. Shouldn't it compare insta shot hydras to missle shot hydras? Or perhaps missle shot marines to insta shot marines. The stats were edited to be the same. So the only diference is the model and the shooting projectile. | ||
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Grummler
Germany743 Posts
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
On March 07 2011 00:58 Count9 wrote: I don't understand how this video even fulfills this purpose. Shouldn't it compare insta shot hydras to missle shot hydras? Or perhaps missle shot marines to insta shot marines. Read the OP. THEY ARE STATISTICALLY IDENTICAL. | ||
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TheFinalWord
Australia790 Posts
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Count9
China10928 Posts
On March 07 2011 01:00 Marradron wrote: The stats were edited to be the same. So the only diference is the model and the shooting projectile. But the hydras are going through their whole shooting animation, or does it ignore that? Marines never have to drop their riffles after every shot (just after every few rounds) but it seems the hydras are pulling back every shot. Read the OP. THEY ARE STATISTICALLY IDENTICAL. That doesn't make them the same unit if animation delay adds a latent delay to every missle that the marine doesn't have. (which it kinda looks like it does, can't really tell at 480 p though) | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
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Slunk
Germany768 Posts
On March 07 2011 00:58 Count9 wrote: I don't understand how this video even fulfills this purpose. Shouldn't it compare insta shot hydras to missle shot hydras? Or perhaps missle shot marines to insta shot marines. This is exactly what it does. Those hydras are basically marines with missiles. Read the OP. On March 07 2011 00:53 Marradron wrote: Just because you call it something doesnt mean it exists. It was in no way intentional. You guys make it sound like theres some sofisticated algorithm that makes it happen. But it's just a result of the game engine. Lets compare it to this example. A flood kills a lot of people in some religious place. They call it an act of god. That sure doesn't mean god exists. You are wrong, there is a smartfire algorhythm. If you have two sieged tanks and you drop a zergling in the range of both, in SC1 both would fire, in SC2 only one fires. This has nothing to do with delays on fire rate or something, this is just an intended mechanic that we call smartfire . | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Anyway they overkill terrible in this video. Just like marauders do when you go into close combat with them. So under normal conditions you want to engange on max range. I think since the ai attacks wounded units its really beneficial for units that don't overkill so easy. And it always been spikes in bw as well, even though they were instant in bw. Anyway they missile shots are generally stronger so i think its evened out just fine, just decides on what you want. But as there is an engagement in normal situations before everyone is in range i think its more evened out and only looks like this if you put them close together, where instant is clearly superior. | ||
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