insta vs. missile shot - Page 18

On March 07 2011 17:29 Zerker wrote:




Sometimes i wonder if people even read the OP before they reply.

On March 08 2011 02:31 Uhh Negative wrote:
I like how this thread is all about hydra vs marine because no one understands that the point of this thread is insta vs missile ONLY. You can't get anything else out of that video except that units that attack instantly have an advantage over units that fire a missile ASSUMING all units have the same health/DPS.


Sometimes I wonder if you've even read the OP. The guy you quoted is exactly right...

On March 06 2011 23:55 OFCORPSE wrote:
That's sick. They were instant in BW right? why did they decide to shoot spines instead of that acid spit anyway.

Good luck with trying to avoid the balance discussion though

On March 08 2011 05:45 T0fuuu wrote:
Could you repeat this experiment with siege tanks against amove marines? Tanks using missiles. I am curious to see if there would be the same amount of overkill.

On March 08 2011 05:51 ryan1894 wrote:


1) Tanks splash
2) Tanks shoot slower
3) Tanks have smart-AI which auto spreads shots
4) Tanks are armoured and have more armour

In siege mode anyway

I'd like to see marines removed of auto- non-overkill...

Should there really be that big a difference in the game between instant and missile shot?

On March 08 2011 07:14 TheTenthDoc wrote:
It's important to remember that missile shot can have advantages when it comes to duration effects. Currently this only really applies to the Marauder as far as I know, but the fact that different shells will hit the opponent at different time increases the likelihood of getting an immediate slow off once the first loses effect. Admittedly this is a niche case, but it's not hard to imagine other future abilities that may benefit.

On March 08 2011 07:14 TheTenthDoc wrote:
It's important to remember that missile shot can have advantages when it comes to duration effects. Currently this only really applies to the Marauder as far as I know, but the fact that different shells will hit the opponent at different time increases the likelihood of getting an immediate slow off once the first loses effect. Admittedly this is a niche case, but it's not hard to imagine other future abilities that may benefit.

On March 08 2011 12:27 Xapti wrote:

Not making any sense. Be it an instant or delayed attack, the frequency of the attack remains the same, there is just an initial lag for the delayed attack, which delays the slow. I would even go as far as to say that lag is NOT desirable/favorable, due to units being able to change directions and run away unslowed for a small period of time before the shot hits.

On March 08 2011 12:50 Victim wrote:


Two Marauders are shooting a zealot that starts off in range. With instant attacks, each Marauder hits at the exact same time, and thus the slows completely overlap. With projectile attacks, each hit will be spaced out somewhat depending on the differences in the distance between each marauder and the zealot. The initial slow is delayed by the travel time of the projectile. However, since the hits are taking place at slightly different times, the slow from the second shot will still be in effect when the slow from the first hit wears off.

Note the this benefit will be most significant when the duration of the on hit effect is less than the refire time of the attacking unit.

However, if we have say, several zealots instead of one, the slowed zealot will lag behind its fellows and thus not be auto attacked by kiting marauders. In that case, having an extra bit of slow on one zealot while your guys start to attack another one isn't bad at all.

That being said, I think instant attacks would still be better. OTOH, projectile type does seem to play a role in overall unit design - the ability to protect tanks from marauders via PDD certainly appears to be an intentional feature.

On March 08 2011 05:51 ryan1894 wrote:


1) Tanks splash
2) Tanks shoot slower
3) Tanks have smart-AI which auto spreads shots
4) Tanks are armoured and have more armour

In siege mode anyway

I'd like to see marines removed of auto- non-overkill...

On March 08 2011 14:25 T0fuuu wrote:

You missed the point. Tanks are instant hit and dont have smart ai so they will not fire on units that are dead. We dont have anything in the game which is a missile and does a large amount of splash so i want to see what it looks like.

what's the point of this?

it seems like it's about as useful as comparing melee vs ranged attack.