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Xog2
United States97 Posts
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Thurokiir
United States779 Posts
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voss
Australia146 Posts
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magha
Netherlands427 Posts
On March 01 2011 17:02 Xog wrote: How are you dealing with a +1 4 warpgate? A lot of people are convinced the best counter to 4gate is mass lings anyways | ||
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Vpower
Netherlands3 Posts
It kind of worked a lot of times (Then again, I do get opponents through the range of gold through Diamond lol) and the fun thing about it is, you can pretty much get any tech route you want. In one game, I went Ling Ultra. Another game, I went Ling Muta and so forth... | ||
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Super_bricklayer
France104 Posts
Thanks for that pack aquanda ! It will help a lot. | ||
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Argosy
Germany20 Posts
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magha
Netherlands427 Posts
Like; when to get the second expansion? when to get the macro hatch? when to get the first and second evo chamber? when to get gas? how agressive should you play? etc | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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EdwardStarcraft
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
On March 01 2011 20:22 magha wrote: Aquanda, or someone else who's familair with this strategy, could you please write more of a guide regarding this build? Like; when to get the second expansion? when to get the macro hatch? when to get the first and second evo chamber? when to get gas? how agressive should you play? etc Do it yourself. He was nice enough to post these reps for us and went on to MrBitter's stream. You got 9 reps now as well as the Vods on Bitter's channel. Not hard to just note down the timing on a piece of paper zzz. If you can't be bothered looking at his rep, then why should he (or anyone) be bothered writing you a guide? Sorry but some people are just so damn lazy. | ||
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Imposta
Australia70 Posts
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Sluggy
United States128 Posts
On March 01 2011 20:22 magha wrote: Aquanda, or someone else who's familair with this strategy, could you please write more of a guide regarding this build? Like; when to get the second expansion? when to get the macro hatch? when to get the first and second evo chamber? when to get gas? how agressive should you play? etc here you go http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=192400 I play it a bit safer than aquanda with a later 3rd and earlier lair for drops. If you want to play more like him just get later gas. and an earlier macro hatch | ||
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
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skatbone
United States1005 Posts
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aquanda
United States477 Posts
On March 01 2011 21:27 Imposta wrote: LOL at the random roach rush replay in there for kicks! whoops ^_^ lol | ||
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
On March 02 2011 05:09 kcdc wrote: I haven't watched the reps in this pack, so maybe you're doing this now, but Aquanda, you gotta find a way to work in drops and OL speed. It seems like the only thing that gives you trouble is sentries, and 4 banelings in an OL cleans out all their sentries instantly. Instead of making 20 banelings and hoping he eventually misses a forcefield so that 4 of them hit, you could make 4 banelings and hit the first time. Having drops would make you invincible until colossi/templar, but I dunno how you'd get it in time for 6 gate. If you're going banelings vs P, you definitely want drops eventually tho. Agreed with this man right here. Sentries are the centerpiece of the protoss army. Be it the gateway, gateway/immortal, gateway/collosus or voidray/collosus mix. Destroying that weak link by dropping on top of them ( which is really easy, overlords are about as fast as sentries and most of all because of your upgrades you will 2 shot them when +2 finishes ) is definitely going to bolster your army by so... so much. I keep having to repeat myself on baneling bombs, and I will keep advising people to try them out until everyone can actually have a legit verdict about it. START DOING IT ZERGS. Personally I go for a more reactive build. Getting only one evo chamber before lair and getting +1 melee and +1 range to have a meaning to upgrade both roaches and zerglings depending on what my opponent wants to do. Your build is a great macro build that basically screams to the protoss "Come at me bro!" to force him to come out of his protective shell. I use a more baneling bomb harrassment style to induce the same kind of behavior. ( I will shamelessly put the link to that build here, I hope you don't mind : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=196518 , if you do, I'll gladly remove it ). 6 gates are pretty hard to stop though with just lings and banelings, hence my more reactive build. But nonetheless this has some real potential. Thanks for the replay pack . | ||
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Sybris
32 Posts
What's your take on this? because from the reps I watched you always delayed him significantly with your early pressure And people are suggesting baneling drops but in practice it's really really hard to pull off vs a diligent Protoss. MC vs July on XelNaga is a good example, obviously we're not MCs here but I don't think he did anything incredible yet July's banelings were rendered completely useless | ||
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
On March 02 2011 05:45 Sybris wrote: From my experience if you didn't do any early damage with your lings/banelings to delay him a heavy 2 base colossi/stalker/sentry attack is just going to kill you because it hits so fast and with forcefield + 3 colossi he just burns through your stuff ridiculously fast The potential to damage is there for sure but I feel a good defensive Protoss is going to take minimal losses and your Muta/Hive/whatever follow up won't cut it/won't come out in time. I'd love to hear your experiences with this because from the reps I watched you always delayed him significantly with your early pressure And people are suggesting baneling drops but in practice it's really really hard to pull off vs a diligent Protoss. MC vs July on XelNaga is a good example, obviously we're not MCs here but I don't think he did anything incredible yet July's banelings were rendered completely useless July's overlords were cut off from his main army through forcefields. He only sent in the overlords he had filled with banelings. He didn't retreat them and the only thing the protoss was able to shoot anyway was the overlords, they would've died without focusfire too. Thats like taking Socke vs Morrow showmatch -> spoilers ahead + Show Spoiler + game 1 and saying collosi voidray isn't strong because if your 5 collosi get caught off guard in the open you're gonna lose the game. Remember back when people thought the archon toilet would never be seen in proffesional play? Right now in current tournaments they have been used to great effect. Taking one game as an example for a style isn't a good idea. As such you shouldn't just discard this strategy because you saw it lost once. | ||
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