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NabeShogun
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada18 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 01:23:46
February 26 2011 01:23 GMT
#41
if the banelings morph time is truth than I fear for zvz. It would make ZvT better but it may break ZvZ.
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
February 26 2011 01:23 GMT
#42
On February 26 2011 10:16 Stiver wrote:
This is a serious, non-troll question.

Is terran actually weak late game, or are a lot of terrans simply not used to making it very late in the game and can't adapt. Seems most terrans end it fairly early, and calling late game weak is odd. I used to play terran and preferred going late game because I was better at that type of game.

Understandably against TvP might favor protoss, but I can't see a late game scenario where Terran is hugely underpowered versus a late game Zerg.


Terran doesn't have an obvious endgame (make X expensive units and win, like Ultralisks/Broods/Colossus/Voids do, because BCs aren't good general purpose units).

Abusing mobility/drops and forcing combat in small groups against MMM while using a tank line as the main defence is probably the ideal lategame. It's just not easy to execute and you can't 1A a deathball into your opponent's main like Protoss does so well.
Zerokaiser
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada885 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 01:26:15
February 26 2011 01:23 GMT
#43
On February 26 2011 10:16 Stiver wrote:
This is a serious, non-troll question.

Is terran actually weak late game, or are a lot of terrans simply not used to making it very late in the game and can't adapt. Seems most terrans end it fairly early, and calling late game weak is odd. I used to play terran and preferred going late game because I was better at that type of game.

Understandably against TvP might favor protoss, but I can't see a late game scenario where Terran is hugely underpowered versus a late game Zerg.



The best Terran players in the world seem perfectly on par with the best Zerg players in the world in the lategame, Protoss lategame might be a bit too strong on the larger GSL maps. My opinion is that almost all but the super elite Terran players (Jinro, MVP, etc.) are either winning games early or putting themselves behind. When a Terran player is pro-active about gaining and keeping his advantages throughout the midgame there doesn't seem to be any problems with the lategame (against zerg).

We haven't really seen many lategame TvP between giants, so it's probably too early to tell.
Lanaia is love.
DirtYLOu
Profile Joined May 2010
575 Posts
February 26 2011 01:23 GMT
#44
On February 26 2011 10:23 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 10:22 ribboo wrote:
On February 26 2011 10:22 Vequeth wrote:
Grandmaster interface: [image loading]

"Current season" could imply the reset will come with 1.3


Omg that is the most badass icon yet.


YUP! Badass icon <3
http://sc2ranks.com/c/9051/slayersteam/ <-- SlayerS players in Grandmaster !
TheWoodLeagueAllstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom617 Posts
February 26 2011 01:23 GMT
#45
AMULET IS GONE
Bunker rushing is the way to a mans heart <3
Pistolfied
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada79 Posts
February 26 2011 01:24 GMT
#46
I assume only grandmasters includes the seasonal ranking for the region/globally?
Stop saying anywayS, it's anyway, not anyway>>S<<. Anyways is not a word!!!
SecondChance
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia603 Posts
February 26 2011 01:24 GMT
#47
How many leagues do you want? What's going to come after Grandmasters? Sensei league? Black belt league? The fucking elite pirate ninja league? SWAT league? Jesus league? Holy shit I'm a baller league?

Too many.
I see the want to in your eyes.
ribboo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1842 Posts
February 26 2011 01:24 GMT
#48
On February 26 2011 10:23 Frack wrote:
AMULET IS GONE

omg if true ;O
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
February 26 2011 01:24 GMT
#49
On February 26 2011 10:20 KonohaFlash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 10:16 Stiver wrote:
This is a serious, non-troll question.

Is terran actually weak late game, or are a lot of terrans simply not used to making it very late in the game and can't adapt. Seems most terrans end it fairly early, and calling late game weak is odd. I used to play terran and preferred going late game because I was better at that type of game.

Understandably against TvP might favor protoss, but I can't see a late game scenario where Terran is hugely underpowered versus a late game Zerg.


What people are talking about are the Tier 3 units hence late-game. Terran Late-game units are sluggish and weaker than say protoss. What do you mostly see in the late-game with terran? Marines, Tanks,Marauders, Medivacs and Vikings. You'll see a thor here and there but it's so rare to see Battlecruisers or Ravens being utilized.

Ravens are used in virtually every single PvT and TvT in GSL/GSTL this season.

Battlecrusiers are seen about as often as Carriers tbh
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
February 26 2011 01:24 GMT
#50
On February 26 2011 10:24 ribboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 10:23 Frack wrote:
AMULET IS GONE

omg if true ;O


Wait what???
raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
February 26 2011 01:25 GMT
#51
On February 26 2011 10:24 ribboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 10:23 Frack wrote:
AMULET IS GONE

omg if true ;O

If thats true... that would be so dumb
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
TheWoodLeagueAllstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom617 Posts
February 26 2011 01:25 GMT
#52
i promise, how do you resize screenshots?
Bunker rushing is the way to a mans heart <3
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
February 26 2011 01:25 GMT
#53
how are you getting on the PTR mine just loops when I download the patch
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
ribboo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1842 Posts
February 26 2011 01:25 GMT
#54
On February 26 2011 10:25 raf3776 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 10:24 ribboo wrote:
On February 26 2011 10:23 Frack wrote:
AMULET IS GONE

omg if true ;O

If thats true... that would be so dumb

toss much ;D? its only PTR tho
NabeShogun
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada18 Posts
February 26 2011 01:25 GMT
#55
On February 26 2011 10:23 Frack wrote:
AMULET IS GONE


well that would make HT useless.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-26 01:26:32
February 26 2011 01:26 GMT
#56
TvP late game arguably favours protoss, but the thing is that the late game for Protoss is an extension of their mid game (ie, ht and/or collosus, gateway units and forge upgrades. Lots of) whereas this is not the case for the average terran midgame, which consists of like 30 raxes, 1 factory not producing and 1 or 2 starports.

A lot of Terrans are trying to experiment with a transition from bio into mech or all out mech play from the start or some sort of biomech hybrid and we're met with varied success but nothing too solid just yet. There's a lot of holes with either style, and the transition is not quite as fluid. This is not the case for Protoss who, as I said, just keep doing their midgame only more of it.

TvZ lategame is arguably Terran favoured but it does depend on how they got to lategame. It's pretty hard for Zerg because the Marine is so fucking good and invalidates so much of what Zerg have, and the constant 12 rax macro from 3+bases from Terran means that even if they kill one batch of marines (putting in a ton of effort to do so), another batch is waiting just behind them, armed and ready.

And yeah, these marine groups are of course supported by the occasional tank and thor and medivac, etc. That's a given. But the core is the marine!

EDIT- What, no amulet?

Fuck lategame, BIO MOTHERFUCKER ALL THE WAY
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
February 26 2011 01:26 GMT
#57
On February 26 2011 10:25 raf3776 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 10:24 ribboo wrote:
On February 26 2011 10:23 Frack wrote:
AMULET IS GONE

omg if true ;O

If thats true... that would be so dumb


No it's not. Amulet is way too good when combined with warp in.
Stiver
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada285 Posts
February 26 2011 01:26 GMT
#58
If ZvZ becomes nothing but instant banelings I might just swith to protoss =/

I hate ZvZ as it is.
"The most difficult thing in the world is to know how to do a thing and to watch someone else do it wrong without comment."
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
February 26 2011 01:26 GMT
#59
On February 26 2011 10:23 Frack wrote:
AMULET IS GONE


Hahahaha, i was going to complain as a terran player (well, even if i haven't played for over a month but the morphing time of banes going to 20 to 10, and the bunker and stim nerf seemed too much) but now, i can only laugh. Still, i wonder if Blizzard actually knows what they are doing...
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
LazyScout
Profile Joined February 2010
United States223 Posts
February 26 2011 01:26 GMT
#60
baneling is still 20 seconds
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