EPTBut on close air and cross are playable, even if taking third expansions is still a pain.
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
But on close air and cross are playable, even if taking third expansions is still a pain. | ||
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Neivler
Norway911 Posts
On February 27 2011 22:35 Shockk wrote: If "interesting" gameplay at Blizzard HQ revolves around "alternative attack paths" and opening them via destroying rocks then goodbye to all ladder maps in major tournaments in a matter of weeks. Backwater Gulch is probably the worst ladder map ever devised, the games I've played on it so far and those I saw on streams were just plain bad. The map encourages gimmicky one-base play which certainly isn't "interesting" or has any entertainment value to spectators. Blizzard on Backwater Gulch Early game play on this map should feel familiar and there probably aren't too many early game threats or difficulties in terms of gimmicky strategies you need to worry about Nice one there Blizzard. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
so not much changed other then crushing some peoples remaining trust in blizz. well whatever. just hope the tournaments wont pick the shitty ones up.nowadays you could build a amazing 10 map pool , no need to include the crappy ladder ones and it might give blizz another hint that maybe what they do isnt so great when the random nubers ask why they cant play the maps on ladder they see on streams all the time. | ||
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DoubleRainbow
Canada85 Posts
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snarl
Canada812 Posts
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BritishBeef
United Kingdom372 Posts
My protoss buddy goes 2 gas into .. ??? well exactly the main is so damn big that i have no clue if he went DT Stargate 4gate I just see the same old problem that i can't find out what the enemy is doing becuase its not possible for me to have a overlord on both sides of his base, | ||
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Noob3rt
Canada114 Posts
I still cannot believe they took out Shakuras Plateau though. That map was the most perfect map I could ever dream for as a Zerg. Who gives a shit about unique features? And I'm more than likely certain they mean DEBRIS more than anything. They throw that crap in there like seeds to birds for crying out loud. I just laughed as hard as I could when I played Slag Pits though. Really? You honestly want to give a Terran the chance to drop you from all over the place with a shorter rush distance (in close positions) than Steppes of War? Are you kidding me? Oh, and let's not forget that the Terran player can Siege up and destroy 90% of your base from below. Including your Nexus/CC/Hatchery. I'm going to play GSL Maps. At least they know how to create maps that create amazing games, and are fun to play constantly. | ||
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
The other maps feels a bit more open than the older 2v2 maps and a bit better for macro games. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 28 2011 01:00 Neivler wrote: Nice one there Blizzard. Familiar indeed. Blizzard wasn't half wrong, were they? (Or I guess they were) :B | ||
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Bamm
Sweden279 Posts
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
Blizz delivers maps that almost give attackers advantage (an abomination for an RTS) and limit games to one base or at max 2 base all ins. IMHO, this is so that even the most unskilled one base all in noob can get in to the higher leagues, the masses have to feel good. I hope this trend of appealing mostly to the noobs is only temporary or else we will see an ICCUP 2 league system. Shit maps, very, very bad for esports! | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On February 28 2011 01:01 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: so lt got a update and typhoon replaced shakuras. rest gets vetoed by evryone like steppes and jb . so not much changed other then crushing some peoples remaining trust in blizz. well whatever. I slightly disagree, the "new" lost temple is now quite zerg favoured in PvZ (dunno about TvZ, playin protoss). Cloud agreed on that on Take's stream and he's terran, so no reason why he would say that. Obviously I need to play more games on that map, but right now I think it will be a thumbs down for me. I have actually no idea how to punish zergs who drone like crazy and take a super fast third, because if I misread them only slightly I get killed by platinum players a-moving (yes this actually happened to me once). The only other option is a 6 gate all-in. Blizzard on Backwater Gulch Early game play on this map should feel familiar and there probably aren't too many early game threats or difficulties in terms of gimmicky strategies you need to worry about This must be one of the most ridiculous comments I've ever read. Just today I saw incontrol getting destroyed by terran one base timing attacks....one base timing attacks he even anticipated perfectly. | ||
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oblong
United States86 Posts
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Jarlaxle
United Kingdom21 Posts
maybe put this in the main post, too? Edit - oops, I see someone already posted it here | ||
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cnas
Sweden640 Posts
On February 28 2011 01:05 BritishBeef wrote: This backwater Gulch .. what the fuck My protoss buddy goes 2 gas into .. ??? well exactly the main is so damn big that i have no clue if he went DT Stargate 4gate I just see the same old problem that i can't find out what the enemy is doing becuase its not possible for me to have a overlord on both sides of his base, Did he proxy inside his own base? :D | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On February 28 2011 01:15 Sapphire.lux wrote: SC2 is a new game with a lot of new people being new to RTS even. This new people are shit at macro. This people can not handle a 15 min + game with more then one expo. yeah they might not be able to handle lategame. but they still love it. blizzards assumption of "them noobers love rushing!" is so wrong its hard to imagine how seperated they have to be to actually believe that. all noobs in the history of RTS HATE rushes and LOVE buildings huge as cool armies and units. thats why so many noobs played fa$te$t. thats why so many noobs played NO RUSH 20 ! games. thats why my noob silver buddy cruiser rushes all the time. thats why you see so much complains about "RUSH XY GAY CANT GET OUT OF BRONZE!". when it comes to maps blizzard really has no frekain clue. they dont know what people want, whats good for the game and they dont even know how certain map design features transalte into the game. its sad that some people get paid for doing such a horrible job when there are so many talented and dedicated mapmakers out there. | ||
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Gigaudas
Sweden1213 Posts
The natural of Backwater Gulch is a nightmare, Blizzard can't expect it to be balanced when Zergs are already struggling. EDIT: "Shakuras Plateau produced the best games but it didn't have enough rocks and watchtowers so we took it out" is beyond me. | ||
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Vapaach
Finland994 Posts
I am okay with all of the maps except Slag pits. The map is just ridiculous, and taking a third is so freaking hard it is not even funny. I would trade any of the new GSL maps with any of these new ladder maps. 2 players mean no luck factor as in for example scouting the opponent last when he is 6 pooling or doing some other cheese. PTR 1.3.0 is amazing though so, it is not all that bad looking at the grand scheme of things. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
This was the initial reaction to Shakura's Plateau on Team Liquid. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/userpoll/cache/0cdaea051073f8b20027e6f028457a0c29c71848.png) And some choice quotes, just skimming the first three or so pages of that thread (talking about Jungle Basin and Shakura's) On October 07 2010 09:27 Cofo wrote: I wish they had put in some actual good maps. On October 07 2010 09:31 iCCup.Diamond wrote: If they added those 2 shit maps I will punch a innocent kitten. Please Blizzard, think of the kittens.... On October 07 2010 09:30 Slago wrote: you sure you're not in customs? those aren't new there in the blizzard custom maps, and they are truely aweful :/ On October 07 2010 09:40 Crabman123 wrote: Alright so now the three maps I am going to down vote are Steps of War, Jungle basin, and Shakuras. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bitching about the bitching, knee-jerk overreactions are an internet staple after all. :p But maybe it would be prudent to, you know, give those maps a couple weeks and see how 100s of games play out on them and which strategies become dominant when actually experienced by top level players. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
also people where angry cause of jungle basin which proofed to be even worse then people thought. | ||
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