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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-01 00:50:51
March 01 2011 00:50 GMT
#1321
Starcraft is not the same as Soccer... nobody would watch Tennis & Soccer on ESPN and get the two confused .

Also, the North American Soccer League is not televised as far as I know, on any nationally broadcast channels.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
spybreak
Profile Joined October 2010
United States684 Posts
March 01 2011 00:55 GMT
#1322
Xeris,

About the requirement for players requiring a team, would you guys make a compromise let's say you can allow players with no teams provided that they are in the top 100 or even top 50? Would you guys consider or at least play around with this idea?
SovSov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States755 Posts
March 01 2011 00:57 GMT
#1323
On March 01 2011 09:44 elmizzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 09:42 SovSov wrote:
On March 01 2011 09:33 Xeris wrote:
On March 01 2011 03:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On February 23 2011 10:27 Xeris wrote:
NASL is trademarked, but our organization is called the North American Starleague. NASL.tv is simply a placeholder for our teaser site. Thank you for worrying about legal questions, but we've done our research and aren't worried about any of it !


If the World Wildlife Fund can demand Vince Mcmahon alter his acronym from WWF to WWE then I suspect the North American Soccer League will have you guys changing your acronym shortly.

you guys can't have an "NASL Newsletter" any more than I can have an "NFL Newsletter" that is about the "Newfoundland Fishing League".

furthermore, 3 of the 4 words in NASL are identical to "North American Soccer League"

this brings me to the question that i have for the North American Star League.

will you have to pay for the costs associated with the North American Soccer League defending its trademark?



Hi JimmyJRaynor. You bring up some valid concerns, but I believe there won't be a problem for various reasons. If you look at trademark infringement law, courts generally examine a few factors to determine if a trademark has been infringed: the proximity of the goods marketed, the similarity of the marks, evidence of confusion between the products, the similarity of marketing channels used, and the defendants intent.

Let's look at all of these factors:
Proximity of the goods : there is little similarity between the product. The NASL is a soccer league, a sport played outdoors in a field, in stadiums, with two teams of 11 playing each other (do I need to keep explaining how soccer is different from Starcraft?). The North American Star League is a Starcraft 2 tournament, played mostly online, and consisting of individuals.

Similarity of the marks : Our entire branding and design is Starcraft & Blizzard related, our official logo does not utilize the "NASL" acronym. The header of the NASL.com website clearly displays a soccer ball and soccer players. Ours again, is Starcraft relayed.

Evidence of confusion : Again, the NASL is clearly a soccer league. The North American Starleague is clearly a Starcraft league. Considering that our demographic is very different, our audience contains a larger subset of the population: college aged males with demonstrated interests in gaming versus local supporters of the soccer clubs in the NASL. There is little confusion as to which is which here.

Similarity of marketing channels : The North American Starleague is being marketed on online gaming websites and multimedia, the NASL as far as I can tell has no clear marketing strategy, and the league itself seems to be limited to local followings (therefore its marketing strategy is a very narrowly defined demographic and medium limited probably to local news outlets and radio).

The defendants intent : The North American Starleague never intended to infringe upon the rights of the NASL by creating the NASL.tv teaser website. Our intention is to create a nationally and globally recognized Starcraft league -- the NASL's goal is probably to become a premiere soccer league. What conflict of interest exists here?

Next: you claim that we used the same nomenclature ("North American" and "League")... this is a very broad scope and I doubt it would be admissible in any court. Claiming the rights to calling something a North American League would preclude any other league from calling itself that. This means you must take offense to the "North American Baseball League" and the "North American Football League" for example.

I hope this answers your questions: we feel like we're not infringing upon any trademarks. If anything, we can always move to a different domain. Instead of using a public avenue to try and make attacks on our league, if you have a vested interest in the North American Soccer League and are concerned with our use of the acronym NASL, contacting us privately is the correct method to resolve any potential conflict.


What if StarCraft 2 becomes the the huge eSport you want it to become and starts getting shown on ESPN (think: Poker)? In that dream scenario, wouldn't that be "too close"?

"too close" to what? Did you even read the post you quoted?

Did you? If, by a chance, both NASLs were on ESPN I think it would clearly fall into the realm of:

On March 01 2011 09:33 Xeris wrote:the proximity of the goods marketed, the similarity of the marks, evidence of confusion between the products, the similarity of marketing channels used, and the defendants intent.


Xeris already replied that NASL isn't on ESPN or televised, but if it was I think having two NASLs would cause a bit of confusion and be in close proximity (same broadcasting channel).
raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-01 01:06:13
March 01 2011 01:00 GMT
#1324
On March 01 2011 09:42 SovSov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 09:33 Xeris wrote:
On March 01 2011 03:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On February 23 2011 10:27 Xeris wrote:
NASL is trademarked, but our organization is called the North American Starleague. NASL.tv is simply a placeholder for our teaser site. Thank you for worrying about legal questions, but we've done our research and aren't worried about any of it !


If the World Wildlife Fund can demand Vince Mcmahon alter his acronym from WWF to WWE then I suspect the North American Soccer League will have you guys changing your acronym shortly.

you guys can't have an "NASL Newsletter" any more than I can have an "NFL Newsletter" that is about the "Newfoundland Fishing League".

furthermore, 3 of the 4 words in NASL are identical to "North American Soccer League"

this brings me to the question that i have for the North American Star League.

will you have to pay for the costs associated with the North American Soccer League defending its trademark?



Hi JimmyJRaynor. You bring up some valid concerns, but I believe there won't be a problem for various reasons. If you look at trademark infringement law, courts generally examine a few factors to determine if a trademark has been infringed: the proximity of the goods marketed, the similarity of the marks, evidence of confusion between the products, the similarity of marketing channels used, and the defendants intent.

Let's look at all of these factors:
Proximity of the goods : there is little similarity between the product. The NASL is a soccer league, a sport played outdoors in a field, in stadiums, with two teams of 11 playing each other (do I need to keep explaining how soccer is different from Starcraft?). The North American Star League is a Starcraft 2 tournament, played mostly online, and consisting of individuals.

Similarity of the marks : Our entire branding and design is Starcraft & Blizzard related, our official logo does not utilize the "NASL" acronym. The header of the NASL.com website clearly displays a soccer ball and soccer players. Ours again, is Starcraft relayed.

Evidence of confusion : Again, the NASL is clearly a soccer league. The North American Starleague is clearly a Starcraft league. Considering that our demographic is very different, our audience contains a larger subset of the population: college aged males with demonstrated interests in gaming versus local supporters of the soccer clubs in the NASL. There is little confusion as to which is which here.

Similarity of marketing channels : The North American Starleague is being marketed on online gaming websites and multimedia, the NASL as far as I can tell has no clear marketing strategy, and the league itself seems to be limited to local followings (therefore its marketing strategy is a very narrowly defined demographic and medium limited probably to local news outlets and radio).

The defendants intent : The North American Starleague never intended to infringe upon the rights of the NASL by creating the NASL.tv teaser website. Our intention is to create a nationally and globally recognized Starcraft league -- the NASL's goal is probably to become a premiere soccer league. What conflict of interest exists here?

Next: you claim that we used the same nomenclature ("North American" and "League")... this is a very broad scope and I doubt it would be admissible in any court. Claiming the rights to calling something a North American League would preclude any other league from calling itself that. This means you must take offense to the "North American Baseball League" and the "North American Football League" for example.

I hope this answers your questions: we feel like we're not infringing upon any trademarks. If anything, we can always move to a different domain. Instead of using a public avenue to try and make attacks on our league, if you have a vested interest in the North American Soccer League and are concerned with our use of the acronym NASL, contacting us privately is the correct method to resolve any potential conflict.


What if StarCraft 2 becomes the the huge eSport you want it to become and starts getting shown on ESPN (think: Poker)? In that dream scenario, wouldn't that be "too close"?

If that happens and the name of it is the biggest issue they have.. i think theyd gladly change the name
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
March 01 2011 01:04 GMT
#1325
"If we were to do the show completely live, we would have to cut a lot of our transitional effects which give us the "wow" factor."

For many, the WOW factor is all in the live. I don't care about transitional effects. I don't care about cool little editing. I want a quality live stream of quality players playing in a league that provides a good tournament format.

It's not worth doing if it's not live because you're killing the 'real wow factor' for an artificial one. GomTV can do an amazing live show, why can't NASL?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
March 01 2011 01:07 GMT
#1326
On March 01 2011 10:04 stevarius wrote:
"If we were to do the show completely live, we would have to cut a lot of our transitional effects which give us the "wow" factor."

For many, the WOW factor is all in the live. I don't care about transitional effects. I don't care about cool little editing. I want a quality live stream of quality players playing in a league that provides a good tournament format.

It's not worth doing if it's not live because you're killing the 'real wow factor' for an artificial one. GomTV can do an amazing live show, why can't NASL?

Online tournament. GOM isnt online technically since theyre in the booth and cant watch the stream
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
Merkur_sr
Profile Joined November 2007
United States30 Posts
March 01 2011 01:07 GMT
#1327
On March 01 2011 09:33 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 03:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On February 23 2011 10:27 Xeris wrote:
NASL is trademarked, but our organization is called the North American Starleague. NASL.tv is simply a placeholder for our teaser site. Thank you for worrying about legal questions, but we've done our research and aren't worried about any of it !


If the World Wildlife Fund can demand Vince Mcmahon alter his acronym from WWF to WWE then I suspect the North American Soccer League will have you guys changing your acronym shortly.

you guys can't have an "NASL Newsletter" any more than I can have an "NFL Newsletter" that is about the "Newfoundland Fishing League".

furthermore, 3 of the 4 words in NASL are identical to "North American Soccer League"

this brings me to the question that i have for the North American Star League.

will you have to pay for the costs associated with the North American Soccer League defending its trademark?



Hi JimmyJRaynor. You bring up some valid concerns, but I believe there won't be a problem for various reasons. If you look at trademark infringement law, courts generally examine a few factors to determine if a trademark has been infringed: the proximity of the goods marketed, the similarity of the marks, evidence of confusion between the products, the similarity of marketing channels used, and the defendants intent.

Let's look at all of these factors:
Proximity of the goods : there is little similarity between the product. The NASL is a soccer league, a sport played outdoors in a field, in stadiums, with two teams of 11 playing each other (do I need to keep explaining how soccer is different from Starcraft?). The North American Star League is a Starcraft 2 tournament, played mostly online, and consisting of individuals.

Similarity of the marks : Our entire branding and design is Starcraft & Blizzard related, our official logo does not utilize the "NASL" acronym. The header of the NASL.com website clearly displays a soccer ball and soccer players. Ours again, is Starcraft relayed.

Evidence of confusion : Again, the NASL is clearly a soccer league. The North American Starleague is clearly a Starcraft league. Considering that our demographic is very different, our audience contains a larger subset of the population: college aged males with demonstrated interests in gaming versus local supporters of the soccer clubs in the NASL. There is little confusion as to which is which here.

Similarity of marketing channels : The North American Starleague is being marketed on online gaming websites and multimedia, the NASL as far as I can tell has no clear marketing strategy, and the league itself seems to be limited to local followings (therefore its marketing strategy is a very narrowly defined demographic and medium limited probably to local news outlets and radio).

The defendants intent : The North American Starleague never intended to infringe upon the rights of the NASL by creating the NASL.tv teaser website. Our intention is to create a nationally and globally recognized Starcraft league -- the NASL's goal is probably to become a premiere soccer league. What conflict of interest exists here?

Next: you claim that we used the same nomenclature ("North American" and "League")... this is a very broad scope and I doubt it would be admissible in any court. Claiming the rights to calling something a North American League would preclude any other league from calling itself that. This means you must take offense to the "North American Baseball League" and the "North American Football League" for example.

I hope this answers your questions: we feel like we're not infringing upon any trademarks. If anything, we can always move to a different domain. Instead of using a public avenue to try and make attacks on our league, if you have a vested interest in the North American Soccer League and are concerned with our use of the acronym NASL, contacting us privately is the correct method to resolve any potential conflict.

I hope you take this post for what it is: an address to your major concerns, and my stance about your concerns.



Hmm... the world wildlife federation is about as far from the wrestling federation as far as proximity of goods is concerned. If they can make the old WWF change their acronym im sure soccer and starcraft (both being sports of sorts) are way too close to be ok with using the same acronym.
To make in hell for us a heaven.......
ThisIsJimmy
Profile Joined July 2004
United States546 Posts
March 01 2011 01:12 GMT
#1328
I really want a chance to get in to the NASL but I haven't been added to the player list for voting (I put in an "Idea" as soon as the site launched).

Will players with low votes have any chance of getting into the NASL or will they just have to win the open tournament?
Twitter @_ThisIsJimmy_
MechaCthulhu
Profile Joined November 2010
United States136 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-01 01:25:49
March 01 2011 01:23 GMT
#1329
On March 01 2011 10:07 Merkur_sr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 09:33 Xeris wrote:
On March 01 2011 03:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On February 23 2011 10:27 Xeris wrote:
NASL is trademarked, but our organization is called the North American Starleague. NASL.tv is simply a placeholder for our teaser site. Thank you for worrying about legal questions, but we've done our research and aren't worried about any of it !


If the World Wildlife Fund can demand Vince Mcmahon alter his acronym from WWF to WWE then I suspect the North American Soccer League will have you guys changing your acronym shortly.

you guys can't have an "NASL Newsletter" any more than I can have an "NFL Newsletter" that is about the "Newfoundland Fishing League".

furthermore, 3 of the 4 words in NASL are identical to "North American Soccer League"

this brings me to the question that i have for the North American Star League.

will you have to pay for the costs associated with the North American Soccer League defending its trademark?



Hi JimmyJRaynor. You bring up some valid concerns, but I believe there won't be a problem for various reasons. If you look at trademark infringement law, courts generally examine a few factors to determine if a trademark has been infringed: the proximity of the goods marketed, the similarity of the marks, evidence of confusion between the products, the similarity of marketing channels used, and the defendants intent.

Let's look at all of these factors:
Proximity of the goods : there is little similarity between the product. The NASL is a soccer league, a sport played outdoors in a field, in stadiums, with two teams of 11 playing each other (do I need to keep explaining how soccer is different from Starcraft?). The North American Star League is a Starcraft 2 tournament, played mostly online, and consisting of individuals.

Similarity of the marks : Our entire branding and design is Starcraft & Blizzard related, our official logo does not utilize the "NASL" acronym. The header of the NASL.com website clearly displays a soccer ball and soccer players. Ours again, is Starcraft relayed.

Evidence of confusion : Again, the NASL is clearly a soccer league. The North American Starleague is clearly a Starcraft league. Considering that our demographic is very different, our audience contains a larger subset of the population: college aged males with demonstrated interests in gaming versus local supporters of the soccer clubs in the NASL. There is little confusion as to which is which here.

Similarity of marketing channels : The North American Starleague is being marketed on online gaming websites and multimedia, the NASL as far as I can tell has no clear marketing strategy, and the league itself seems to be limited to local followings (therefore its marketing strategy is a very narrowly defined demographic and medium limited probably to local news outlets and radio).

The defendants intent : The North American Starleague never intended to infringe upon the rights of the NASL by creating the NASL.tv teaser website. Our intention is to create a nationally and globally recognized Starcraft league -- the NASL's goal is probably to become a premiere soccer league. What conflict of interest exists here?

Next: you claim that we used the same nomenclature ("North American" and "League")... this is a very broad scope and I doubt it would be admissible in any court. Claiming the rights to calling something a North American League would preclude any other league from calling itself that. This means you must take offense to the "North American Baseball League" and the "North American Football League" for example.

I hope this answers your questions: we feel like we're not infringing upon any trademarks. If anything, we can always move to a different domain. Instead of using a public avenue to try and make attacks on our league, if you have a vested interest in the North American Soccer League and are concerned with our use of the acronym NASL, contacting us privately is the correct method to resolve any potential conflict.

I hope you take this post for what it is: an address to your major concerns, and my stance about your concerns.



Hmm... the world wildlife federation is about as far from the wrestling federation as far as proximity of goods is concerned. If they can make the old WWF change their acronym im sure soccer and starcraft (both being sports of sorts) are way too close to be ok with using the same acronym.


Interestingly, reading into that case, it looks like the WWF/WWE was still allowed to use "World Wrestling Federation" and even an old version of the "WWF" logo--they chose to change the name since the were barred from using their current (at the time) "WWF" logo. They weren't forced away from using WWF as the acronym for their organization; they just couldn't use it in the logo.
That which can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
March 01 2011 01:25 GMT
#1330
On March 01 2011 10:23 jaearess wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 10:07 Merkur_sr wrote:
On March 01 2011 09:33 Xeris wrote:
On March 01 2011 03:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On February 23 2011 10:27 Xeris wrote:
NASL is trademarked, but our organization is called the North American Starleague. NASL.tv is simply a placeholder for our teaser site. Thank you for worrying about legal questions, but we've done our research and aren't worried about any of it !


If the World Wildlife Fund can demand Vince Mcmahon alter his acronym from WWF to WWE then I suspect the North American Soccer League will have you guys changing your acronym shortly.

you guys can't have an "NASL Newsletter" any more than I can have an "NFL Newsletter" that is about the "Newfoundland Fishing League".

furthermore, 3 of the 4 words in NASL are identical to "North American Soccer League"

this brings me to the question that i have for the North American Star League.

will you have to pay for the costs associated with the North American Soccer League defending its trademark?



Hi JimmyJRaynor. You bring up some valid concerns, but I believe there won't be a problem for various reasons. If you look at trademark infringement law, courts generally examine a few factors to determine if a trademark has been infringed: the proximity of the goods marketed, the similarity of the marks, evidence of confusion between the products, the similarity of marketing channels used, and the defendants intent.

Let's look at all of these factors:
Proximity of the goods : there is little similarity between the product. The NASL is a soccer league, a sport played outdoors in a field, in stadiums, with two teams of 11 playing each other (do I need to keep explaining how soccer is different from Starcraft?). The North American Star League is a Starcraft 2 tournament, played mostly online, and consisting of individuals.

Similarity of the marks : Our entire branding and design is Starcraft & Blizzard related, our official logo does not utilize the "NASL" acronym. The header of the NASL.com website clearly displays a soccer ball and soccer players. Ours again, is Starcraft relayed.

Evidence of confusion : Again, the NASL is clearly a soccer league. The North American Starleague is clearly a Starcraft league. Considering that our demographic is very different, our audience contains a larger subset of the population: college aged males with demonstrated interests in gaming versus local supporters of the soccer clubs in the NASL. There is little confusion as to which is which here.

Similarity of marketing channels : The North American Starleague is being marketed on online gaming websites and multimedia, the NASL as far as I can tell has no clear marketing strategy, and the league itself seems to be limited to local followings (therefore its marketing strategy is a very narrowly defined demographic and medium limited probably to local news outlets and radio).

The defendants intent : The North American Starleague never intended to infringe upon the rights of the NASL by creating the NASL.tv teaser website. Our intention is to create a nationally and globally recognized Starcraft league -- the NASL's goal is probably to become a premiere soccer league. What conflict of interest exists here?

Next: you claim that we used the same nomenclature ("North American" and "League")... this is a very broad scope and I doubt it would be admissible in any court. Claiming the rights to calling something a North American League would preclude any other league from calling itself that. This means you must take offense to the "North American Baseball League" and the "North American Football League" for example.

I hope this answers your questions: we feel like we're not infringing upon any trademarks. If anything, we can always move to a different domain. Instead of using a public avenue to try and make attacks on our league, if you have a vested interest in the North American Soccer League and are concerned with our use of the acronym NASL, contacting us privately is the correct method to resolve any potential conflict.

I hope you take this post for what it is: an address to your major concerns, and my stance about your concerns.



Hmm... the world wildlife federation is about as far from the wrestling federation as far as proximity of goods is concerned. If they can make the old WWF change their acronym im sure soccer and starcraft (both being sports of sorts) are way too close to be ok with using the same acronym.


Interestingly, reading into that case, it looks like the WWF/WWE was still aloud to use "World Wrestling Federation" and even an old version of the "WWF" logo--they chose to change the name since the were barred from using their current "WWF" logo. They weren't forced away from using WWF as the acronym for their organization; they just couldn't use it in the logo.


Correct. Also, we are not the NASL. As mentioned before, the website NASL.tv is ONLY for our teaser website. !

ThisIsJimmy, we have like 3,000+ requests in the moderation que, but the poll is not determinant of who is getting in the league, strictly speaking.

That's all I'll say for now , GL all!
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
March 01 2011 01:41 GMT
#1331
On February 25 2011 10:27 jmbthirteen wrote:
The team rule is one. The NASL cannot afford to have people no show up and miss their matches. It would be devastating. They need to take every precaution that everyone will be there. Being on a team help secure that. Also being on a team shows some responsibility in a player, adding to the idea of being accountable. I agree the NBA comparison is terrible. But you know whats a great one? NASCAR. Its essentially a driver vs driver sport, yet you need to be on a team to race because it helps hold everyone accountable. They have a financial backing to perform like needed.


So let's take a look at "recent" SC2 tournaments where players didnt attend.

GSL & Dreamhack - Idra (team)
IEM WC - Demuslim (team)
shitton of events - BratOK (team)
MLG - I think it was Sheth? (team)

Please note, I dont say it was the players fault for not showing up - it certainly wasnt - but they are all part of a team. I dont see how that secured their attending though.
Also look at Naniwa and the EPS desaster. He was in a team at that time - and has gotten a team again, though he showed that his responsibility is at least questionable.
And for people like White-Ra it's questionable if they qualify as "having a team". So White-Ra is more unreliable according to your logic.

Of course it would be stupid to request that you should name teamless players who had similiar problems, because the majority of top players are in teams. But there are some guys who arent on a team and saying "Hey you are unreliable / more likely to have something bad happen to you" is just unfair to them.

As long as the players pay their 250$ "security" in time everything should be fine. If people manage to do that on time it should show that they're mature / reliable enough, that they would attend everything short of something extremely bad happening.



So ... a question is coming:
In the OP it is mentioned:
"What is a team: A team is a recognized entity that has a website, player(s) playing under a single banner, and sponsor ability to support its players financially."

Could you explain what a "recognized entity" is?
Let's say a player is the son of someone with a business and the father agrees that his company "sponsors" his son (money being a family internal matter) would that be enough?

Or could I (hypothetical) just go ahead and say to a teamless player "Hey, if you pay me 250$ & travelling costs upfront (so I wont take any losses) I will sponsor you. I own this small company, and you could play in the league if you let me sponsor you." For me there would be 0 risk involved and the player could play in the league without the need of a "real" team.
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
March 01 2011 01:43 GMT
#1332
On March 01 2011 10:04 stevarius wrote:
"If we were to do the show completely live, we would have to cut a lot of our transitional effects which give us the "wow" factor."

For many, the WOW factor is all in the live. I don't care about transitional effects. I don't care about cool little editing. I want a quality live stream of quality players playing in a league that provides a good tournament format.

It's not worth doing if it's not live because you're killing the 'real wow factor' for an artificial one. GomTV can do an amazing live show, why can't NASL?


The two main issues are that 1) players can cheat by streamwatching if it's broadcast live and 2) players in certain timezones would have to play their games at ridiculous hours.

These reasons alone make live infeasible, regardless of whether the tradeoff of production value for a true live experience is worth it or not.
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MorNin
Profile Joined June 2010
United States443 Posts
March 01 2011 02:55 GMT
#1333
On March 01 2011 10:04 stevarius wrote:
"If we were to do the show completely live, we would have to cut a lot of our transitional effects which give us the "wow" factor."

For many, the WOW factor is all in the live. I don't care about transitional effects. I don't care about cool little editing. I want a quality live stream of quality players playing in a league that provides a good tournament format.

It's not worth doing if it's not live because you're killing the 'real wow factor' for an artificial one. GomTV can do an amazing live show, why can't NASL?


IMO I much rather have an amazing show with Little to no "Waiting" Simply Amazing games Nice Cast.. The waiting kills it for me

And the WOW factor what is the difference if you still dont know the outcome of the Games (Granted they make it Spoiler Proof) It would Essentially be casting from replays. And as stated before Its better for the players and cuts down on the "Ghosting"
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
March 01 2011 03:06 GMT
#1334
On March 01 2011 11:55 MorNin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 10:04 stevarius wrote:
"If we were to do the show completely live, we would have to cut a lot of our transitional effects which give us the "wow" factor."

For many, the WOW factor is all in the live. I don't care about transitional effects. I don't care about cool little editing. I want a quality live stream of quality players playing in a league that provides a good tournament format.

It's not worth doing if it's not live because you're killing the 'real wow factor' for an artificial one. GomTV can do an amazing live show, why can't NASL?


IMO I much rather have an amazing show with Little to no "Waiting" Simply Amazing games Nice Cast.. The waiting kills it for me

And the WOW factor what is the difference if you still dont know the outcome of the Games (Granted they make it Spoiler Proof) It would Essentially be casting from replays. And as stated before Its better for the players and cuts down on the "Ghosting"


I tend to go the other guy's line of thought. I think the booth and the whole live effect give the GSL an incredible edge over almost anything else. I don't care if I know the results or not. The production values, the tension of live games with players right there, etc, makes it so incredibly better it's awfully hard to describe. No way replay casting is near to what the GSL does, as that is much more of a show, while watching a casted replay is just watching a game.

This is why I think if NASL goes this way it needs to go to great lenghts to differentiate itself from GSL. Comparisons will hurt it, because the live element makes the GSL instantly the better "show", there's no comparison.
MorNin
Profile Joined June 2010
United States443 Posts
March 01 2011 19:05 GMT
#1335
On March 01 2011 12:06 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2011 11:55 MorNin wrote:
On March 01 2011 10:04 stevarius wrote:
"If we were to do the show completely live, we would have to cut a lot of our transitional effects which give us the "wow" factor."

For many, the WOW factor is all in the live. I don't care about transitional effects. I don't care about cool little editing. I want a quality live stream of quality players playing in a league that provides a good tournament format.

It's not worth doing if it's not live because you're killing the 'real wow factor' for an artificial one. GomTV can do an amazing live show, why can't NASL?


IMO I much rather have an amazing show with Little to no "Waiting" Simply Amazing games Nice Cast.. The waiting kills it for me

And the WOW factor what is the difference if you still dont know the outcome of the Games (Granted they make it Spoiler Proof) It would Essentially be casting from replays. And as stated before Its better for the players and cuts down on the "Ghosting"


I tend to go the other guy's line of thought. I think the booth and the whole live effect give the GSL an incredible edge over almost anything else. I don't care if I know the results or not. The production values, the tension of live games with players right there, etc, makes it so incredibly better it's awfully hard to describe. No way replay casting is near to what the GSL does, as that is much more of a show, while watching a casted replay is just watching a game.

This is why I think if NASL goes this way it needs to go to great lenghts to differentiate itself from GSL. Comparisons will hurt it, because the live element makes the GSL instantly the better "show", there's no comparison.


Yeah the GSL format is Optimal but since NASL will be doing Online matches i dont find LIVE being something they should do... So the Delayed Broadcast is best for them
Ponyo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1231 Posts
March 01 2011 19:07 GMT
#1336
love the basketball reference! Even through sc2 isn't really a TEAM sport like basketball, not in this tourny anyway.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-02 03:34:11
March 02 2011 03:33 GMT
#1337
Check the OP... application process with deadlines/etc announced. We've actually only gotten two player applications thus far ! Hurry it up D:

*updated: FAQ page... (clear cache+F5) if you can't see it*
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Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
March 02 2011 03:40 GMT
#1338
It seems strange that the videos will all be put up on youtube, rather than simply being sent in to NASL, and then posted on their website. Maybe I just misunderstood the format.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
March 02 2011 04:08 GMT
#1339
Why does it matter where they're posted ? ~_~! Youtube is cool cuz everyone can see em!
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Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
March 02 2011 04:14 GMT
#1340
Well I don't mind, but I figured NASL would want people visiting their site to learn more about the players. I'm not complaining.
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