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On February 26 2011 05:19 LoLAdriankat wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 04:11 Drunkasarous wrote:On February 26 2011 03:11 lazyfeet wrote:On February 26 2011 02:53 SupastaR wrote:
How are the 50 players selected, just by a small council, what happens if you have 49 people and its between say minigun or kawairice, who decides who deserves to be in this tournament? the team rule is ridicolous too, and i'm guessing Incontrol gets into the 50 man league no questions asked, when someone perhaps more deserving of a spot does not get accepted. So the problems are is that a competitor is also a chief organiser, and if he gets default and unbiased entry to the league that is wrong. Incontrol is not the best frontman for something like this imo. He says the most ridicolous things and then expects people to not take offence. In a recent SOTG he said something relating to assembly saying all of the small unknown, bad casters should stip casting major tournaments so the major casters can create a scene of some sort, now here you are creating a tournament which i dont think you should cast, because imo the casting of the clash of the titans was awful, we would be much better off with a JP, Day9( i know because of school) Dj Wheat combo a la mlg, with a load of guest casters like husky( he can bring his half a mil subs).
so t.l.d.r
How is the top 50 decided? and i am concerned with incontrol being the frontman because of his recent actions with code a, and TB, and KellyMilkies, and Huko, and just generally insulting everyone and then banning somebody as soon as he gets criticized, i honestly thing hes a jerk : /. That said i dont know him well, but he should never have been a mod.
and with the team thing insuring people turn up on time, then what is the $250 for? You have a point with invites. Its gonna be criticized no matter who they pick. Funny that even though i don't like Incontrol i still think he is a better caster then JP(overrated people keep putting his name on the top of casters list because he is a member of the MLG crew). I think he is the one who started the dissing on TB before finding out the facts first. What I want to know is why iNcontrol is even on the player list if he is supposed to be the main caster. Because iNcontroL is also a player? It's not hard to get someone else to cast while he's playing.
Yea but he really should choose one or the other. Or make the qualifiers more open and qualify himself, because i think he wouldnt be in alot of peoples top 50 list especially if we are counting korea europe and NA. Hes a decent player but hes never really done that well in tournaments, it would be lame if we start to see the brackets and his bracket is the easiest etc. I just think to many people will complain about some kind of a biased towards him because he is a figure head for this company, he should stick to competing or casting not both, unless he wanted to get in through legit qualifiers.
How many people would complain if artosis or tasteless was one of the foreigner seeds from the GSL im betting alot, but the gsl wouldnt do that because they know how to run a business. Why shouldnt we hold the NASL up the the same standards of fairness as the GSL?
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It's a shame how this Q&A thread has turned into a 64 page cluster***k of whining about how the team rule isn't fair, why the production was subpar, of how iNc smells of elderberries, and if Duckload(White)Ra is or is not, technically on a team. Here's a question, let's see if it actually get's filtered out from the rest of this off-topic nonsense.
QUESTION:
The site mentions the finals being the first week of July, but when is the anticipated start date of the league? Given the numbers, is it fair to deduce there will be 5 divisions of 10 players (hence the 5 players per team rule = 1 per division), and the top 3 in each division advance to the finals? Hopefully the division/group play will be at least a double round robin, if that is the case.
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On February 26 2011 06:28 AimForTheBushes wrote:
It's a shame how this Q&A thread has turned into a 64 page cluster***k of whining about how the team rule isn't fair, why the production was subpar, of how iNc smells of elderberries, and if Duckload(White)Ra is or is not, technically on a team. Here's a question, let's see if it actually get's filtered out from the rest of this off-topic nonsense.
QUESTION:
The site mentions the finals being the first week of July, but when is the anticipated start date of the league? Given the numbers, is it fair to deduce there will be 5 divisions of 10 players (hence the 5 players per team rule = 1 per division), and the top 3 in each division advance to the finals? Hopefully the division/group play will be at least a double round robin, if that is the case.
Everything you asked has already been answered, I believe.
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On February 26 2011 06:13 cheesemaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 05:19 LoLAdriankat wrote:On February 26 2011 04:11 Drunkasarous wrote:On February 26 2011 03:11 lazyfeet wrote:On February 26 2011 02:53 SupastaR wrote:
How are the 50 players selected, just by a small council, what happens if you have 49 people and its between say minigun or kawairice, who decides who deserves to be in this tournament? the team rule is ridicolous too, and i'm guessing Incontrol gets into the 50 man league no questions asked, when someone perhaps more deserving of a spot does not get accepted. So the problems are is that a competitor is also a chief organiser, and if he gets default and unbiased entry to the league that is wrong. Incontrol is not the best frontman for something like this imo. He says the most ridicolous things and then expects people to not take offence. In a recent SOTG he said something relating to assembly saying all of the small unknown, bad casters should stip casting major tournaments so the major casters can create a scene of some sort, now here you are creating a tournament which i dont think you should cast, because imo the casting of the clash of the titans was awful, we would be much better off with a JP, Day9( i know because of school) Dj Wheat combo a la mlg, with a load of guest casters like husky( he can bring his half a mil subs).
so t.l.d.r
How is the top 50 decided? and i am concerned with incontrol being the frontman because of his recent actions with code a, and TB, and KellyMilkies, and Huko, and just generally insulting everyone and then banning somebody as soon as he gets criticized, i honestly thing hes a jerk : /. That said i dont know him well, but he should never have been a mod.
and with the team thing insuring people turn up on time, then what is the $250 for? You have a point with invites. Its gonna be criticized no matter who they pick. Funny that even though i don't like Incontrol i still think he is a better caster then JP(overrated people keep putting his name on the top of casters list because he is a member of the MLG crew). I think he is the one who started the dissing on TB before finding out the facts first. What I want to know is why iNcontrol is even on the player list if he is supposed to be the main caster. Because iNcontroL is also a player? It's not hard to get someone else to cast while he's playing. Yea but he really should choose one or the other. Or make the qualifiers more open and qualify himself, because i think he wouldnt be in alot of peoples top 50 list especially if we are counting korea europe and NA. Hes a decent player but hes never really done that well in tournaments, it would be lame if we start to see the brackets and his bracket is the easiest etc. I just think to many people will complain about some kind of a biased towards him because he is a figure head for this company, he should stick to competing or casting not both, unless he wanted to get in through legit qualifiers. How many people would complain if artosis or tasteless was one of the foreigner seeds from the GSL im betting alot, but the gsl wouldnt do that because they know how to run a business. Why shouldnt we hold the NASL up the the same standards of fairness as the GSL?
You're asking them to hold to standards they haven't broken yet. Do you realize this? They haven't announced A SINGLE person who is in the NASL. You're not just speculating, you're accusing them of being unprofessional for something they haven't done. Not only that, you're saying it'd be lame to see them stack the brackets... you mean like what the GSL did for Boxer (can't remember if they did for Nada too)?
As to if either should be invited... proooobably not. Gretorp probably not and incontrol would depend. He'd be near the bottom of my list of 50, but it mostly depends on how many koreans are invited.
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On February 26 2011 05:17 PJA wrote:
Regarding the team rule: Can we all just accept that if you're not on a team and you're really that good then either you're not really that good or your personality is repulsive? Anyone who is even slightly serious and isn't excessively BM/whiny/etc. is on a team by now, or could be if they tried at all.
I mean there's a lot of people rallying behind people like Avilo but have you ever played him on ladder? Like several other players he makes excuses for losing and doesn't gg even when you've been nothing but respectful to him in past to him. He also is just super bm all the time, and makes fun of the way you play when you're clearly trying to have fun. For example: apparently when I nexus first close spawns on metal at the gold at 5am in the morning it needs to be made clear that I'm terrible and that he plays the game to learn while I play to continue being a newb and abusing strategies.
I'm more than glad that people like him don't have a chance to join the NASL.
There were periods of time when SlayerS_Boxer, Idra, Genius, and Ganzi didn't have sponsors. Are you saying they they weren't good when they didn't have a team?
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On February 26 2011 05:17 PJA wrote:
Regarding the team rule: Can we all just accept that if you're not on a team and you're really that good then either you're not really that good or your personality is repulsive? Anyone who is even slightly serious and isn't excessively BM/whiny/etc. is on a team by now, or could be if they tried at all.
I mean there's a lot of people rallying behind people like Avilo but have you ever played him on ladder? Like several other players he makes excuses for losing and doesn't gg even when you've been nothing but respectful to him in past to him. He also is just super bm all the time, and makes fun of the way you play when you're clearly trying to have fun. For example: apparently when I nexus first close spawns on metal at the gold at 5am in the morning it needs to be made clear that I'm terrible and that he plays the game to learn while I play to continue being a newb and abusing strategies.
I'm more than glad that people like him don't have a chance to join the NASL.
Boxer didn't have a team when he entered GSL. Neither did MKP iirc. Nor Idra.
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User Question - Is it possible to replace iNcontrol with Day9 as the head of NASL?
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On February 26 2011 07:26 vict1019 wrote:
User Question - Is it possible to replace iNcontrol with Day9 as the head of NASL?
This would totally be the right move, but i dont think that day9 wants to jump head first into something with so much uncertainty involved down the line though i could see him being a head caster or something of the sort.In terms of E-sports in the west everyone wants day9 right now so his schedule is completly booked but im sure he would free up some time should it become a success
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On February 26 2011 06:56 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 06:13 cheesemaster wrote:On February 26 2011 05:19 LoLAdriankat wrote:On February 26 2011 04:11 Drunkasarous wrote:On February 26 2011 03:11 lazyfeet wrote:On February 26 2011 02:53 SupastaR wrote:
How are the 50 players selected, just by a small council, what happens if you have 49 people and its between say minigun or kawairice, who decides who deserves to be in this tournament? the team rule is ridicolous too, and i'm guessing Incontrol gets into the 50 man league no questions asked, when someone perhaps more deserving of a spot does not get accepted. So the problems are is that a competitor is also a chief organiser, and if he gets default and unbiased entry to the league that is wrong. Incontrol is not the best frontman for something like this imo. He says the most ridicolous things and then expects people to not take offence. In a recent SOTG he said something relating to assembly saying all of the small unknown, bad casters should stip casting major tournaments so the major casters can create a scene of some sort, now here you are creating a tournament which i dont think you should cast, because imo the casting of the clash of the titans was awful, we would be much better off with a JP, Day9( i know because of school) Dj Wheat combo a la mlg, with a load of guest casters like husky( he can bring his half a mil subs).
so t.l.d.r
How is the top 50 decided? and i am concerned with incontrol being the frontman because of his recent actions with code a, and TB, and KellyMilkies, and Huko, and just generally insulting everyone and then banning somebody as soon as he gets criticized, i honestly thing hes a jerk : /. That said i dont know him well, but he should never have been a mod.
and with the team thing insuring people turn up on time, then what is the $250 for? You have a point with invites. Its gonna be criticized no matter who they pick. Funny that even though i don't like Incontrol i still think he is a better caster then JP(overrated people keep putting his name on the top of casters list because he is a member of the MLG crew). I think he is the one who started the dissing on TB before finding out the facts first. What I want to know is why iNcontrol is even on the player list if he is supposed to be the main caster. Because iNcontroL is also a player? It's not hard to get someone else to cast while he's playing. Yea but he really should choose one or the other. Or make the qualifiers more open and qualify himself, because i think he wouldnt be in alot of peoples top 50 list especially if we are counting korea europe and NA. Hes a decent player but hes never really done that well in tournaments, it would be lame if we start to see the brackets and his bracket is the easiest etc. I just think to many people will complain about some kind of a biased towards him because he is a figure head for this company, he should stick to competing or casting not both, unless he wanted to get in through legit qualifiers. How many people would complain if artosis or tasteless was one of the foreigner seeds from the GSL im betting alot, but the gsl wouldnt do that because they know how to run a business. Why shouldnt we hold the NASL up the the same standards of fairness as the GSL? You're asking them to hold to standards they haven't broken yet. Do you realize this? They haven't announced A SINGLE person who is in the NASL. You're not just speculating, you're accusing them of being unprofessional for something they haven't done. Not only that, you're saying it'd be lame to see them stack the brackets... you mean like what the GSL did for Boxer (can't remember if they did for Nada too)? As to if either should be invited... proooobably not. Gretorp probably not and incontrol would depend. He'd be near the bottom of my list of 50, but it mostly depends on how many koreans are invited.
Well incontrol pretty much said he would be participating i hope he changes his mind based on the feedback from the community, i talked to gretorp in the other thread and he made it clear he would not be participating. And not much information has been released regarding the NASL so alot of the speculations involve what if's , weather we should be speculating this much or not is not for you to say. I do know however that incontrol said something that lead alot of people to beleive he would be in the league, even you agree that its questionable weather you consider him a top 50 player so my speculation was based on this comment. I know they havent done anything yet i just want them to do it right, honestly gretorp probably could have been in the tournament had he really pushed for it, he chose not too and i respect, that incontrol on the other hand.... like i said dont you think he will be too busy being the figure head of the NASL to be a serious threat as a competitor?
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Yeah I love bacon don't pass that "gom stacked boxers brackets" as fact because there's no proof only speculation. I think inevitably there's gonna be drama over the invitees when the time comes. Unless they do a full qualifier process
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On February 26 2011 08:04 adeezy wrote:
Yeah I love bacon don't pass that "gom stacked boxers brackets" as fact because there's no proof only speculation. I think inevitably there's gonna be drama over the invitees when the time comes. Unless they do a full qualifier process
Yea where is this coming from, i really didnt even think boxers brackets where ever that easy...
I totally agree though adeezy weather you beleive this yourself or not alot of people have strong opinions about an invite only league.
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I hope the games won't be casted on the same studio what u used for jinro vs idra match. I mean the dark background was kinda boring. Example ESL studio looks a lot better.
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I guess Im going to be the only one trying to find a low quality restream so I dont go over my data cap? Damn my internet.. 
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On February 26 2011 08:04 adeezy wrote:
Yeah I love bacon don't pass that "gom stacked boxers brackets" as fact because there's no proof only speculation. I think inevitably there's gonna be drama over the invitees when the time comes. Unless they do a full qualifier process
His qualification brackets, not necessarily the games in code S. It wasn't talked about a lot because he probably would have qualified, but it still existed. I'm fine with inc playing though and surprised how many people think it's even remotely a big deal. Now, if somehow the brackets became stacked and he was with other people not at the top (granted, with 50 people there are going to be good players spread everywhere), you can complain. But even suggesting it as if it's a distinct possibility that he would rig it to his favor is beyond insulting.
What have you seen from him, either of you, that he would somehow try to bend the tournament to favor himself? My guess is nothing.
Inc can be debated whether or not he's in the top 50, and my personal list would depend on how many koreans are there... but realistically, anybody in the bottom 20 are all less than guaranteed spots, and there is gonna' be drama regardless of who is left out, just as there'd be drama in an open bracket if good players got matched against each other and some more mediocre opponent had an easier walk to qualification.
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My issue is that IDRA will be playing we all know this. Most likely other EG members will be in the NASL. How will his relation ship as a caster/teammate affect how he interacts with EG. I mean this guy is going to be able to watch all the REPLAYS.
The way incontrol does things just seems fishy, but who knows!
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On February 26 2011 08:42 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 08:04 adeezy wrote:
Yeah I love bacon don't pass that "gom stacked boxers brackets" as fact because there's no proof only speculation. I think inevitably there's gonna be drama over the invitees when the time comes. Unless they do a full qualifier process His qualification brackets, not necessarily the games in code S. It wasn't talked about a lot because he probably would have qualified, but it still existed. I'm fine with inc playing though and surprised how many people think it's even remotely a big deal. Now, if somehow the brackets became stacked and he was with other people not at the top (granted, with 50 people there are going to be good players spread everywhere), you can complain. But even suggesting it as if it's a distinct possibility that he would rig it to his favor is beyond insulting. What have you seen from him, either of you, that he would somehow try to bend the tournament to favor himself? My guess is nothing. Inc can be debated whether or not he's in the top 50, and my personal list would depend on how many koreans are there... but realistically, anybody in the bottom 20 are all less than guaranteed spots, and there is gonna' be drama regardless of who is left out, just as there'd be drama in an open bracket if good players got matched against each other and some more mediocre opponent had an easier walk to qualification.
I remember our argument, it was about the actual brackets in GSL2. Not code S. Code S was only a month ago. But it's an old argument that obviously dissipated, so let's just leave it at that lol.
Now I won't personally accuse bracket rigging, but I know it's inevitable because of how the community responds. It has to do with how people are usually unhappy and critical in general. Also, seeds would be unfair for the first tournament in my opinion, there were only seeds in MLG after the first one (orlando?).
As for incontrol making it in, If they followed the 5 koreans only rule, then I am pretty sure incontrol would be in the top 50. But if they really followed this I think there would be a riot, lol. I seriously can't wait for more official announcements because personally I'm sure they are going to change their initial announcements and curve it to what the community wanted.
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On February 26 2011 08:42 Genpow wrote:
My issue is that IDRA will be playing we all know this. Most likely other EG members will be in the NASL. How will his relation ship as a caster/teammate affect how he interacts with EG. I mean this guy is going to be able to watch all the REPLAYS.
The way incontrol does things just seems fishy, but who knows!
Wow you r sooo right.... Except for the fact that you have no Idea how things will be run, and from my understanding they will be releasing the Replays to the Premium Account holders. Just because there is an association between people doesnt particularly mean they will be soo stupid as to ruin the business by helping out EG members... I guarantee that it is more beneficial (Money Wise..) for them that the League is seen as legit as possible than to rig it....
Amazes me the way people are trolling on this league and shitting all over it when they havent seen anything.... Save your BS for after Season 1 then express your concerns and give CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, Right now it just looks like you kids are happy with JUST having GSL and actually dont even want anything ELSE...
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I appologize if this is not a thread for debate, but this has been bugging me and I didn't want to start a new thread about it.
Although i fully appreciate the amount of money that has been thrown in - It's completely mind boggeling to be honest - I still have this sort of bittersweet feeling about the sponsorship being private.
Don't get me wrong, as IncontroL has said - "The money is there! don't worry about it" I still can't help to think that this sort of private sponsorship is unhealthy for the growth of the scene. I was genuinely hoping for a company like Intel would come out and say "We think this is a good case for us, Starcraft is a healthy scene and we can see a future in this, lets invest".
I guess private investment is good because thats money on the table right? But still, when the money from the private investments runs out, what will we do then? If people can't make a business out of sponsoring this then what does that mean about the future?
In my little perfect world, I would rather have seen prize money 80-90 percent lower, but sponsered by companies that believed that by doing so, they would get exposure enough to make that worth while.
With that said, I really have no place to complain, I think all of this is awesome, it's great for E-sports and all that, no doubt about it.
However, we live in a capitalized world - Private sponsorship is nothing but charity in my eyes and that just won't keep the wheels turning.
I hope this made any sense, again, english is not my first language so please excuse me.
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On February 26 2011 08:42 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2011 08:04 adeezy wrote:
Yeah I love bacon don't pass that "gom stacked boxers brackets" as fact because there's no proof only speculation. I think inevitably there's gonna be drama over the invitees when the time comes. Unless they do a full qualifier process His qualification brackets, not necessarily the games in code S. It wasn't talked about a lot because he probably would have qualified, but it still existed. I'm fine with inc playing though and surprised how many people think it's even remotely a big deal. Now, if somehow the brackets became stacked and he was with other people not at the top (granted, with 50 people there are going to be good players spread everywhere), you can complain. But even suggesting it as if it's a distinct possibility that he would rig it to his favor is beyond insulting. What have you seen from him, either of you, that he would somehow try to bend the tournament to favor himself? My guess is nothing. Inc can be debated whether or not he's in the top 50, and my personal list would depend on how many koreans are there... but realistically, anybody in the bottom 20 are all less than guaranteed spots, and there is gonna' be drama regardless of who is left out, just as there'd be drama in an open bracket if good players got matched against each other and some more mediocre opponent had an easier walk to qualification.
Yea with qualification thats just the way it goes though, If its double elimination and you lose to 2 ppl those people deserve to be there more, There really hasnt been much drama about the gsl qualifiers i think most people like them, it gives a chance for new unknowns to rise to the top, Yeah yesterday in the gsl he got disqualified but he wasnt on a team and he put up a really good fight against rain took a game off of a gsl finalist thats impressive no matter who the player is. Sure some people may get left out but you at least know the people who qualified in one way or another earned their spot, and if they suck they will get disqualified in the first round and have to qualifiy again if they want back in. Its just the most fair and entertaining way to go about a tournament, I also like the way they did the TSL a few invites the team liquid guys and some koreans, but all the other big names have to qualify. if they did 10 invites of REALLY good players for the NASL i dont think i would complain, like 10 champions who have gotten first in numerous tournaments etc.
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My question is will the VODs be constantly updated and organized? I'm concerned about this because the VODs on GOMTV suck so badly...can't find anything I want on there, please tell me you will have a competent person doing this stuff!
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