EPTAlso, if you fail to qualify for the finals in the league, you can probably play in the open tournament for a chance to go to the finals, unless they're going to bar league players from the open tournament.
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MechaCthulhu
United States136 Posts
Also, if you fail to qualify for the finals in the league, you can probably play in the open tournament for a chance to go to the finals, unless they're going to bar league players from the open tournament. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
The gsl did make some effort in allowing foreigners to participate. Yeah, could be better, but nvm that for now. And jinros doing pretty good. If NASL wants to be the premier league, then perhaps they should reciprocate, or even better the gsl, by creating a more globalised, vibrant enviroment. And they can start by inviting boxer straightaway. | ||
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relic
United Kingdom148 Posts
I will be paying for the stream (to support SC2), but if they are pre-recorded I most likely will rarely watch it. And surely the stream is just VOD access, if you're going the pre-recording route? Then people won't have problems with buffering as they can just pause and let it download an episode. | ||
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Brad
2754 Posts
On February 23 2011 21:31 shadymmj wrote: Disclaimer, I'm not American, but I don't see the point of this proleague at all, nor foes it hype me up in the slightest. I mean, nothing on the states; I wouldn't have given a damn if it were the Canadian SL or The Starcraft Cup of Luxembourg, but I don't see the point of watching anything other than the best competition. Unless the NASL is going to be the league with the best players (about as likely as Koreans making kimchi flavoured milkshakes), I don't see the point of watching it. Sure, it'll just be "another league to follow if you have time", but most people don't have time to watch everything, so in my opinion it feels like a Mickey mouse cup to me. The gsl did make some effort in allowing foreigners to participate. Yeah, could be better, but nvm that for now. And jinros doing pretty good. If NASL wants to be the premier league, then perhaps they should reciprocate, or even better the gsl, by creating a more globalised, vibrant enviroment. And they can start by inviting boxer straightaway. Yeah, because the top foreigners are just average players.... | ||
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MechaCthulhu
United States136 Posts
On February 23 2011 21:31 shadymmj wrote: Disclaimer, I'm not American, but I don't see the point of this proleague at all, nor foes it hype me up in the slightest. I mean, nothing on the states; I wouldn't have given a damn if it were the Canadian SL or The Starcraft Cup of Luxembourg, but I don't see the point of watching anything other than the best competition. Unless the NASL is going to be the league with the best players (about as likely as Koreans making kimchi flavoured milkshakes), I don't see the point of watching it. Sure, it'll just be "another league to follow if you have time", but most people don't have time to watch everything, so in my opinion it feels like a Mickey mouse cup to me. The gsl did make some effort in allowing foreigners to participate. Yeah, could be better, but nvm that for now. And jinros doing pretty good. If NASL wants to be the premier league, then perhaps they should reciprocate, or even better the gsl, by creating a more globalised, vibrant enviroment. And they can start by inviting boxer straightaway. Lots of assumptions there. What makes Koreans so special that they're clearly the most skilled, the best competition? As Xeris pointed out above, in tournaments with a good mixture of foreigners and Koreans, the Koreans haven't come out on top. The assumption seems to be: "the best BW players are Korean, the best BW tournaments were in Korea, therefore the best SC2 players and tournaments are going to be in Korea. Ignore all evidence to the contrary." The fact that Idra is moving back to play in the NASL already tells you it's going to have very good--even the best--competitors in the world. And how many GSLs (or other major SC2 tournaments, for that matter) has Boxer won, again? | ||
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m3rciless
United States1476 Posts
On February 23 2011 21:37 Brad wrote: Yeah, because the top foreigners are just average players.... Hyperbole aside, the korean style of training and proteams is better at producing good starcraft players than the western model. As scII evolves, this will become more and more painfully obvious, just as it did with BW. | ||
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shadymmj
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On February 23 2011 20:08 Xeris wrote: Here's a message from Duncan, one of the owners of NASL, that should clarify the broadcast issue: "When we stream a game live with in-studio footage, we must choose between the quality of production and the smoothness of the show all according to a budget that allows for such a prize pool." Watch either thebeard.tv, glhf.tv or imbalance.tv... (listed in random order) They are doing quality production while maintaining smoothness (as long as justin.tv works fine that moment of course) with basically not having a budget that should be avaliable to serious sport broadcasters. | ||
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Brad
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
Look, not to be a douchebag, because more stuff to watch can't be a bad thing at all, if I ever want to watch it, that is...so no complaints from me, just constructive crit. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On February 23 2011 20:26 rift wrote: ^ Yah, on SotG they seemed to heavily emphasize personality and backstory, especially from the player; they'd definitely need to hire a Korean-speaking translator to make it work. What kind of epic backstory is a 16-22 year old video game nerd really going to have? | ||
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BetterFasterStronger
United States604 Posts
Question: Will you have a way for Newer players / Less known players to qualify to play in the NASL. Right now you have it as the Top 400 i believe. Is there going to be Qualifiers like the TL Open? or a GSL style everyone competes in 1 day for like 50 spots. EDIT: Sorry i don't know how i missed the Open thing. | ||
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Mulletarian
Norway101 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.solarnavigator.net/films_movies_actors/film_images/Mean_Girls_split_screen_telephone_calls.jpg) Question: In the most epic games there are often many things that happen simultaneously, for example double expansion harassment while poking at the front. Viewers usually (always) get to see only one thing at a time, or a very stressed lone observer trying to switch between events. Do you have the production capacity of introducing "split screen" as an element in your casting? You will most likely already have two observers in the game or more. If for example each observer would focus on certain areas of the maps or game events, just like a camera crew would have certain focus areas in a live sports game (a friend of mine once had the excellent task of searching out the pretty girls in the audience), I imagine the viewer experience and 'storytelling' would be drastically improved if this was done well. An other example would be to show player A's perspective in one split screen while he's very, very close to scouting for example a proxy, while showing the everything-view on the other part of the split screen. Here's a bad example I found on youtube: | ||
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rift
1819 Posts
On February 23 2011 21:52 Brad wrote: Don't people realize that with leagues like NASL popping up now, there will be more foreign team houses? The progression isn't just with tournaments, it's with training methods too. How do people think Koreans got this good at Starcraft'? A tournament popped up, local competition got better and better training methods happened. I really don't understand this love Korean love over Foreigners. Western eSports won't survive if every 90% of the players are Korean. Yeah..., about that. >>>Western eSports won't survive unless we limit the talent pool based on nationality. I wouldn't worry too much. The latency is awful, the hours are taxing and the GSL will always be their primary focus. | ||
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MechaCthulhu
United States136 Posts
On February 23 2011 22:05 shadymmj wrote: Impeding people of other nationalities from participating is pretty much racism. If NA wants to get better, then they should get better by playing the best. I can't think of a major sports league that only allows a single nationality to participate. That's great, because NASL isn't doing that! I'm not sure where you get that idea. The only restrictions they have are1) team backing, 2) ability to come to the live event in LA, 3) ability to play on the NA server. If you were from the moon, but met those requirements, you have a chance to play in the league. Hell, part of the reason for the non-live broadcasting is because they want to be able to accommodate people from non-American timezones. Koreans are going to have a tough time playing on the NA server from Korea, but it's not like you can just log into the Korean server to play in the GSL. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On February 23 2011 22:05 shadymmj wrote: Not really, I'd call it supporting the best players. It's not really important who joins a local tournament as long as he is an expert. Impeding people of other nationalities from participating is pretty much racism. If NA wants to get better, then they should get better by playing the best. I can't think of a major sports league that only allows a single nationality to participate. Look, not to be a douchebag, because more stuff to watch can't be a bad thing at all, if I ever want to watch it, that is...so no complaints from me, just constructive crit. It is called a North American Star League, NASL. In comparison GSL means Global Starcraft League. So these two are not the same. I am not from NA but I think it is a good idea to let esports develop in NA before making a league that will be completely open to all. I am sure that will come one day if this becomes popular. Once NA (and hopefully EU) teams start making teamhouses to follow the korean model (and model of any professional team in sport today) then people can argue about not limiting koreans. What you are all asking is actually letting NBA teams come to EU basketball league for a while to compete (while NBA is on a break or something). We all know how that is going to end up and except for spectator fun this would not help EU players and teams from becoming more competitive. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On February 23 2011 22:17 jaearess wrote: That's great, because NASL isn't doing that! I'm not sure where you get that idea. The only restrictions they have are1) team backing, 2) ability to come to the live event in LA, 3) ability to play on the NA server. If you were from the moon, but met those requirements, you have a chance to play in the league. Hell, part of the reason for the non-live broadcasting is because they want to be able to accommodate people from non-American timezones. Koreans are going to have a tough time playing on the NA server from Korea, but it's not like you can just log into the Korean server to play in the GSL. Actually since their season 1 pick of 50 players will be based on who knows what koreans not getting invites might happen. What if all the 32 code s players (-idra and jinro) apply for NASL? Will they take all 32 in or say this is too much koreans and ignore a number of them? Can anyone really argue that there are more NA/EU players that are better then most of those 32? | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
Can can Koreans tell me if there is any unofficial translation, or any buzz in SK about NASL? | ||
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The Touch
United Kingdom667 Posts
On February 23 2011 22:18 -Archangel- wrote: It is called a North American Star League, NASL. In comparison GSL means Global Starcraft League. So these two are not the same. Do you think that the Democratic Republic of North Korea is actually democratic or that the World Series is actually global? The NASL name just reflects the fact that the league is based in NA and is played on the NA servers. You shouldn't get too hung up on the semantics of the league name. | ||
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MechaCthulhu
United States136 Posts
On February 23 2011 22:23 -Archangel- wrote: Actually since their season 1 pick of 50 players will be based on who knows what koreans not getting invites might happen. What if all the 32 code s players (-idra and jinro) apply for NASL? Will they take all 32 in or say this is too much koreans and ignore a number of them? Can anyone really argue that there are more NA/EU players that are better then most of those 32? There's a big difference between "aren't allowed to compete because of their nationality" and "may not get invited in favor of other players." And, yes, I say there are plenty of foreigners (not just NA/EU, but other Asian countries and SA) who are better than plenty of Code S players. Witness the fact that Jinro and Idra didn't dominate every foreigner tournament they've competed in, yet they consistently place high in the GSL. How about TOP and Inca failing to make it to the finals (and TOP losing in the consolation finals) in Dreamhack? They both were/are Code S players. Being Code S can mean winning a couple of lucky games, not that you're one of the top 32 players in the world, especially when a lot of top players either can't or won't relocate their entire lives to a foreign country just to have a chance to compete with you. If anything, the better players are going to be in the NASL because you don't have to give up your current life to play in it--you just have to be able to play on the NA server once a week. | ||
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