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United States12240 Posts
On February 15 2012 17:48 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 02:35 Excalibur_Z wrote:On February 15 2012 01:43 Harrad wrote:
Hmm I skipped a season on my NA account, but it still shows that I have to play one placement match for season 6, not five since my MMR was reset? It's possible that the "skip a season to reset MMR" thing was not intended. When I first received confirmation of that at the start of Season 3, the explanation I got was "the system only looks back one season", which at the time was accurate. However, there was no indication about whether that was intended behavior. Nope, I can now confirm on my own accounts (1 EU 1 US) that this is still true. Didn't play at all in S5 and in S6 I'm back to 5 placements. I'm guessing that reason some people don't get it reset is because they didn't play 1v1, but they did play team games. screenshots to prove it: http://imgur.com/a/yVt5t (notice 5 1v1 games not affecting rating in last SS) Moreover I think it's intended. http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/3691447/Season_5_Now_Locked_-10_02_2012#blogShow nested quote +Hidden skill ratings used for matchmaking and league placement will carry over from the previous season, though, so players who have completed placement matches in a previous season will only need to play one new placement match after Season 6 starts. So to elaborate: 1.) You play 1v1, but don't play team games -> No reset for either. Team games (both RT and AT) MMR is tied to 1v1 (if you're 1v1 master you get straight matched against masters) 2.) You don't play 1v1, but play team (either RT or AT) games -> No reset for either. Not sure why, but I guess team games MMR affects 1v1 to an extent. 3.) You don't play 1v1 AND don't play team games -> Reset for both after 1 season of inactivity.
To clarify a few things, RT MMR and 1v1 are linked. AT may be linked to other AT, it's tough to say because there are so many more opportunities to play AT with anyone. I will ask about it, though. The section of the blog post you quoted is confusing though because it says "will carry over from the previous season" as well as "players who have completed placement matches in a previous season", but the difference between "a" and "the" is huge because it could mean only Season 5 or any season among 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
According to the last update I had on the matter, if you played RT or 1v1 in Season 5, your MMR for either would carry over in Season 6. Otherwise, it wouldn't. That's what is so mystifying about reports of people not playing 1v1 or RT for one or more seasons and some have to play 1 placement match in either format while others in the same situation have to play 5.
I have asked for clarification and I'll post an update if/when I receive it.
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Okay I got some answers:
1) For arranged teams it is taken on a per-team basis. If you want a team to keep its ratings, you have to play at least one game per season with that exact team. Playing with other arranged teams won't help.
2) Yes, we only look back one season still. We're not currently sure if that will ever change, but for now that's going to be the way it works. There is the caveat that playing a random team match will preserve your 1v1 rating, and that's not likely to change soon.
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Also, as I posted, playing an AT team will also preserve the 1v1 and team random MMR.
Basically that means you have to stop laddering for a whole season in order to get a reset.
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On February 16 2012 08:35 Kakaru2 wrote:
Also, as I posted, playing an AT team will also preserve the 1v1 and team random MMR.
Basically that means you have to stop laddering for a whole season in order to get a reset.
No, that's not consistent with what Bashiok told me above. Playing RT preserves 1v1, but not AT.
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Well, what he says is one thing. What I've tested myself last season is another. I only played AT (and a single team, not more) and now i still have to play 1 (one) placement match for both 1v1 and 2v2 random. What more proof you need, screenshots?
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On February 16 2012 10:05 Kakaru2 wrote:
Well, what he says is one thing. What I've tested myself last season is another. I only played AT (and a single team, not more) and now i still have to play 1 (one) placement match for both 1v1 and 2v2 random. What more proof you need, screenshots?
I also only played one single AT with a friend and my MMR was reset.
Yeah, I'd like proof of what you are claiming, as you are the only anomaly here. But regardless, you bugged somehow if it's true, the fact is what Bashiok said and my profile confirms it for this season.
Edit: no need for screenshot, PM me your nick+code so I will add you as a friend and check myself to see if there are any errors in your interpretation. Tell me which region as well.
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Is it possible that there are fewer slots for master league this season on EU ? i was mid master in season 5 and i have played some diamond players already (teams even), who got mostly other diamonds in their matchhistory. also on sc2ranks it says that 3,5% of the playerbase were in master league, instead of the 2% intended by blizzard. are they maybe fixing the master playerbase to 2% ? http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/eu/1/all
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On February 15 2012 05:58 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 05:28 StarDrive wrote:
How do we reconcile division tiers with Blizzard's published numbers on league promotion? The league promotion targets correspond to the lowest end of one league to the lowest end of the next highest, which covers the largest possible span. If you're in a higher division tier than the lowest, it would take less MMR (and effectively less points). Generally you'll know when you're close anyway based on the opponents you face regularly. For example, if the "Diamond to Master" chart references 535 required adjusted points for a next-season promotion, but you've already been facing Master players for a while and you have only 150 adjusted points, chances are you were in the highest Diamond division tier the whole time which starts you closer to the Master barrier. Keep in mind that their numbers don't include the confidence buffer required for mid-season promotions.
Thanks for the response Exaclibur_Z. Does this mean that if you are in the highest diamond division tier, it takes less "skill" (as expressed by MMR) to get into Masters? Or rather is it because the system places higher MMR diamonds into the higher diamond division, so they need less MMR increase to get into masters because their MMR started off higher?
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On February 17 2012 03:31 StarDrive wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 05:58 Excalibur_Z wrote:On February 15 2012 05:28 StarDrive wrote:
How do we reconcile division tiers with Blizzard's published numbers on league promotion? The league promotion targets correspond to the lowest end of one league to the lowest end of the next highest, which covers the largest possible span. If you're in a higher division tier than the lowest, it would take less MMR (and effectively less points). Generally you'll know when you're close anyway based on the opponents you face regularly. For example, if the "Diamond to Master" chart references 535 required adjusted points for a next-season promotion, but you've already been facing Master players for a while and you have only 150 adjusted points, chances are you were in the highest Diamond division tier the whole time which starts you closer to the Master barrier. Keep in mind that their numbers don't include the confidence buffer required for mid-season promotions. Thanks for the response Exaclibur_Z. Does this mean that if you are in the highest diamond division tier, it takes less "skill" (as expressed by MMR) to get into Masters? Or rather is it because the system places higher MMR diamonds into the higher diamond division, so they need less MMR increase to get into masters because their MMR started off higher?
It takes the same amount of skill (since that Master threshold corresponds to a particular skill level), it just takes more wins to raise your MMR up to that level. We'll use chess ratings as an example. 1500 rating corresponds to a particular skill level at this current point in time. If I'm currently rated 1400 and you're rated 1000, and we're both playing against 1500-rated players (and ultimately we're both 1500-quality players because we have the skill to eventually get up there), you will get more rating per win than I will, maybe 50 points instead of my 30 let's say. So while it would only take me about 4 wins to reach 1500, it might take you 10, but the bottom line is that we have to still beat 1500-rated players consistently for our rating to get that high. So yes, your last question is correct. Higher division tiers are for higher MMR players.
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I decided not to play any games last season (was masters). I wanted to reset my MMR just to goof around. So, I queued up a game today, lost to a pretty high masters player last season, and was immediately placed into masters again, after only one game. I thought MMR reset after a season of complete inactivity, other than customs?
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On February 17 2012 08:43 Dalguno wrote:
I decided not to play any games last season (was masters). I wanted to reset my MMR just to goof around. So, I queued up a game today, lost to a pretty high masters player last season, and was immediately placed into masters again, after only one game. I thought MMR reset after a season of complete inactivity, other than customs?
If you play Season 3, then miss out Season 4 and play Season 5 again, your MMR resets, yes, but the system is pretty accurate, because even if you lose some of your 5 placement matches you can still just play 1 game and get promoted into your old league.
It's pretty hard to get misplaces into lower leagues and impossible to get misplaced into higher leagues.
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On February 19 2012 21:20 tryteyker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 08:43 Dalguno wrote:
I decided not to play any games last season (was masters). I wanted to reset my MMR just to goof around. So, I queued up a game today, lost to a pretty high masters player last season, and was immediately placed into masters again, after only one game. I thought MMR reset after a season of complete inactivity, other than customs? If you play Season 3, then miss out Season 4 and play Season 5 again, your MMR resets, yes, but the system is pretty accurate, because even if you lose some of your 5 placement matches you can still just play 1 game and get promoted into your old league. It's pretty hard to get misplaces into lower leagues and impossible to get misplaced into higher leagues.
But I only had one placement match, not 5. It placed me directly back into masters with just one game played.
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On February 20 2012 00:23 Dalguno wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 21:20 tryteyker wrote:On February 17 2012 08:43 Dalguno wrote:
I decided not to play any games last season (was masters). I wanted to reset my MMR just to goof around. So, I queued up a game today, lost to a pretty high masters player last season, and was immediately placed into masters again, after only one game. I thought MMR reset after a season of complete inactivity, other than customs? If you play Season 3, then miss out Season 4 and play Season 5 again, your MMR resets, yes, but the system is pretty accurate, because even if you lose some of your 5 placement matches you can still just play 1 game and get promoted into your old league. It's pretty hard to get misplaces into lower leagues and impossible to get misplaced into higher leagues. But I only had one placement match, not 5. It placed me directly back into masters with just one game played.
Maybe the MMR resets after 2 seasons not played instead of 1?
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On February 20 2012 00:31 tryteyker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 00:23 Dalguno wrote:On February 19 2012 21:20 tryteyker wrote:On February 17 2012 08:43 Dalguno wrote:
I decided not to play any games last season (was masters). I wanted to reset my MMR just to goof around. So, I queued up a game today, lost to a pretty high masters player last season, and was immediately placed into masters again, after only one game. I thought MMR reset after a season of complete inactivity, other than customs? If you play Season 3, then miss out Season 4 and play Season 5 again, your MMR resets, yes, but the system is pretty accurate, because even if you lose some of your 5 placement matches you can still just play 1 game and get promoted into your old league. It's pretty hard to get misplaces into lower leagues and impossible to get misplaced into higher leagues. But I only had one placement match, not 5. It placed me directly back into masters with just one game played. Maybe the MMR resets after 2 seasons not played instead of 1?
Yeah, I'm not sure. Just curious now, maybe it's a bug or something.
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On February 02 2012 03:20 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 06:42 TheRabidDeer wrote:
System makes no sense on the surface! ><
I am diamond
Last matches:
Play a masters player, I win 12 points he loses 10. If he lost less than I won, it technically means that my rating is higher than his, right? He is 65-66 in masters. One of his other recent games was an 11 point loss against another masters.
Before him, is another 12 point win, he loses 11. He is also masters. His prior match was an 11 point win over another masters player.
Before that, another 12 point win for me, he loses 11. Masters. He gets a 12 point win against another masters after our game.
The majority of my games are against masters players with them losing fewer than I am winning... why wont it just promote me =[ 12 means that your adjusted points are roughly the same as his MMR. 10 means that his adjusted points are slightly less than your MMR. That information alone could either mean that you had higher points than him (if your MMRs were equal) or a higher MMR than him (if your points were equal). How many adjusted points did he have at the time of your game? If it's close to 0, then you haven't earned enough to cross the confidence buffer necessary for a mid-season promotion. Leagues are "sticky" as Lysenko said. We don't know what exactly the confidence buffer is in terms of points or MMR, but please let us know the adjusted points of your opponents at the time of each match (work backward along their match history as necessary) so we can use that to find out, once you actually do get promoted.
I went on a big losing streak last season (something like 3-20) and dropped off a ton, so that didnt happen 
However, just got promoted today having gone 23-8 so far this season.
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How are we looking this morning for GM league? I just had a quick glance (GM is still forming on NA) and it looks like so far there are a lot of familiar names. Maybe the entry requirements are correct this season?
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On February 22 2012 05:49 Excalibur_Z wrote:
How are we looking this morning for GM league? I just had a quick glance (GM is still forming on NA) and it looks like so far there are a lot of familiar names. Maybe the entry requirements are correct this season?
It looks right. Much harder to get into GM this season.
Both "Can't be placed into GM" and "Less than 90 bonus pool" rules are in effect. There's still 10 spots after 18 hours so it looks like those 10 spots are reserved for those progamers who haven't played yet.
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I've noticed that I've only played favored and slightly favored people for the past 20 games or so. The most I've lost from a game is 10 points, and the least I've gained (sans bonus pool) is 14 points. Generally -9 or +15 for losses and wins.
Is this a bug?
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On February 25 2012 08:16 Sway.746 wrote:
I've noticed that I've only played favored and slightly favored people for the past 20 games or so. The most I've lost from a game is 10 points, and the least I've gained (sans bonus pool) is 14 points. Generally -9 or +15 for losses and wins.
Is this a bug?
No, that's normal, most players experiences it for some games at the beginning of every season, till they reach 12/-12 zone again eventually.
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