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The case above is really strange, as for me, I recently reached 100 wins, Rank 3. As I watched a Zerg Bronze League Beginner Stuff (from Apollo maybe?), and he started from Rank 99. Took him 7 wins to get promoted to Silver.
I wonder how's that possible, I had it really often that I had a 4 winning streak against platinum & Silver, but I never got promoted really.
he hadn't played any games on that account before hand. The MMR on a new account is more sensitive to a win streak because of the amount of games it has associated with the calculation.
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Firstly I would like to say thanks like so many others here! Secondly, this is my introductory post so I hope I'm putting this in the right place. I can't post my own threads yet ( this post probably wouldn't be appropriate on its own anyhow ), so I'll ask my question here.
I started sc2 first time ever yesterday so yes, I'm horrible. I got placed into bronze league @ ~69. I lost my first 5 matches, and then won my 6th. My question is, while I'm on the bottom of the entire ladder system, is there any negative affects to losing a ton of matches? I mean, will I ever bury myself in a hole of terrible MMR that will be near-impossible to come out of? I like to practice in real games since I feel it will help me in the long run.
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Okay guys I'm confused a bit. Someone at the battlenet forum mentioned that MMR has nothing to do with your rank which is in contrast to what I always believed. As I see it you can see progress by the opponents you face and ultimately the distance of points between your active players in your league.
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MMR has alot to do with your rank.
Who told you it doesn't?
MMR simply determines against what league you play, if you're stable, and eventually will promote / demote you.
The rank ITSELF within the division is, however, NOT determined by the MMR, but rather by points (the higher your MMR, the more of a chance there is that you're Favored or Slightly Favored, which means you get less points, and it's harder to actually get up in the rank, but it shows that your MMR is high)
As far as I know it is like I mentioned above.
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On February 06 2012 23:36 tryteyker wrote:
MMR has alot to do with your rank.
Who told you it doesn't?
MMR simply determines against what league you play, if you're stable, and eventually will promote / demote you.
The rank ITSELF within the division is, however, NOT determined by the MMR, but rather by points (the higher your MMR, the more of a chance there is that you're Favored or Slightly Favored, which means you get less points, and it's harder to actually get up in the rank, but it shows that your MMR is high)
As far as I know it is like I mentioned above.
If you just play a lot you will usually get a high rank in your division, but that doesn't mean your mmr is at that level. For example, you can be a top10 diamond player, but facing high-platinums and low diamonds.
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On February 06 2012 23:43 alepoff wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 23:36 tryteyker wrote:
MMR has alot to do with your rank.
Who told you it doesn't?
MMR simply determines against what league you play, if you're stable, and eventually will promote / demote you.
The rank ITSELF within the division is, however, NOT determined by the MMR, but rather by points (the higher your MMR, the more of a chance there is that you're Favored or Slightly Favored, which means you get less points, and it's harder to actually get up in the rank, but it shows that your MMR is high)
As far as I know it is like I mentioned above. If you just play a lot you will usually get a high rank in your division, but that doesn't mean your mmr is at that level. For example, you can be a top10 diamond player, but facing high-platinums and low diamonds.
What I meant was basically that if you're Favored, Slightly Favored or so you gain less points, which means you have a harder time going up in the rank within your division.
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On February 06 2012 15:14 Nibirue wrote:[...]
I started sc2 first time ever yesterday so yes, I'm horrible. I got placed into bronze league @ ~69. I lost my first 5 matches, and then won my 6th. My question is, while I'm on the bottom of the entire ladder system, is there any negative affects to losing a ton of matches? I mean, will I ever bury myself in a hole of terrible MMR that will be near-impossible to come out of? I like to practice in real games since I feel it will help me in the long run.
Don't take my words for granted because I'm by fat no MMR/Ladder expert. However, I did read a lot of stuff here, so here's my thoughts on it:
The way I understand it, I don't think the negative impact will be very noticeable once your skill improves and you start going on a solid winning streak. Once you start winning a few matches without losses the system will start matching you with players who have a higher MMR, you keep winning -> higher MMR players again. So eventually you should hit your "true" MMR pretty quickly if you suddenly have a boost in skill.
I have just watched a Bronze player go to Silver-Gold-Platinum-Diamon within a week and about 100 games played.
So I'd say go for it and ladder ladder ladder ^^
(if I'm missing a point here, pls someone correct me)
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On February 07 2012 02:17 MrBazinga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 15:14 Nibirue wrote:[...]
I started sc2 first time ever yesterday so yes, I'm horrible. I got placed into bronze league @ ~69. I lost my first 5 matches, and then won my 6th. My question is, while I'm on the bottom of the entire ladder system, is there any negative affects to losing a ton of matches? I mean, will I ever bury myself in a hole of terrible MMR that will be near-impossible to come out of? I like to practice in real games since I feel it will help me in the long run. Don't take my words for granted because I'm by fat no MMR/Ladder expert. However, I did read a lot of stuff here, so here's my thoughts on it: The way I understand it, I don't think the negative impact will be very noticeable once your skill improves and you start going on a solid winning streak. Once you start winning a few matches without losses the system will start matching you with players who have a higher MMR, you keep winning -> higher MMR players again. So eventually you should hit your "true" MMR pretty quickly if you suddenly have a boost in skill. I have just watched a Bronze player go to Silver-Gold-Platinum-Diamon within a week and about 100 games played. So I'd say go for it and ladder ladder ladder ^^ (if I'm missing a point here, pls someone correct me)
Sounds about right  My post is a bit old; I'm more like 8-8 now and I'm getting +34 per win and -11 per loss (on average) and am @27 rank, bronze... over my starting rank @69 so I think I'm making good progress! Turns out I'm horrible with protoss & awesome with zerg. Just to follow up then: I played a guy last night that was VERY good, but turns out he was still in bronze league. The first few players in his division all had like 600 - 1200 wins, but were still in bronze? Are these players simply bad (and must have lost an equal amount of games)?
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Thanks guys that clears things up!
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On February 07 2012 03:04 Nibirue wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 02:17 MrBazinga wrote:On February 06 2012 15:14 Nibirue wrote:[...]
I started sc2 first time ever yesterday so yes, I'm horrible. I got placed into bronze league @ ~69. I lost my first 5 matches, and then won my 6th. My question is, while I'm on the bottom of the entire ladder system, is there any negative affects to losing a ton of matches? I mean, will I ever bury myself in a hole of terrible MMR that will be near-impossible to come out of? I like to practice in real games since I feel it will help me in the long run. Don't take my words for granted because I'm by fat no MMR/Ladder expert. However, I did read a lot of stuff here, so here's my thoughts on it: The way I understand it, I don't think the negative impact will be very noticeable once your skill improves and you start going on a solid winning streak. Once you start winning a few matches without losses the system will start matching you with players who have a higher MMR, you keep winning -> higher MMR players again. So eventually you should hit your "true" MMR pretty quickly if you suddenly have a boost in skill. I have just watched a Bronze player go to Silver-Gold-Platinum-Diamon within a week and about 100 games played. So I'd say go for it and ladder ladder ladder ^^ (if I'm missing a point here, pls someone correct me) Sounds about right My post is a bit old; I'm more like 8-8 now and I'm getting +34 per win and -11 per loss (on average) and am @27 rank, bronze... over my starting rank @69 so I think I'm making good progress! Turns out I'm horrible with protoss & awesome with zerg. Just to follow up then: I played a guy last night that was VERY good, but turns out he was still in bronze league. The first few players in his division all had like 600 - 1200 wins, but were still in bronze? Are these players simply bad (and must have lost an equal amount of games)?
Firstly, I would like to say welcome to teamliquid. Secondly go read the commandments. If you type that into the search you will find it.
Thirdly, don't worry about the people with hundreds of wins, could well be someone purposely losing to stay in bronze or a bot. Or, they might just not be trying to improve, and just having fun. Which is fair enough.
Fourthly, if you want to improve quickly go watch day9 daily number 252 and then check out strategy in liquipedia for whichever race you want to play. There are also a bunch of guider for new players. I hope this helps!
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That definitely helped a lot since I'm a sc2 noob. Great read!
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Has anyone had an issue where they have accumulated bonus pool points after the ladder lock, but it is not used when winning? Or just accumulating points in general after the lock?
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I looked up ladder divisions at sc2ranks. Dunno how correct sc2ranks is, but anyway.
In EU:
There is 92 master divisions.
There is 190 diamond divisions.
(approx 100 users per division)
It looks to me like masters takes up more like 33 % of the totalt diamond + master fifth of all players?
That should be more like 6.66 % of the total number of players?
I could be completely wrong?
EDIT:
Just found this: http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/eu/1/all
So anyway - the % numbers in the article is not all correct, but not that wrong either ^^
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Can someone please tell me can someone be placed in 1v1 even during lockdown? My friend had the game since release but only now decided to try and place in 1v1, so we wanna know if he has to wait or if he can go play his placement matches right now
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On February 09 2012 02:24 BradPitlord wrote:
Can someone please tell me can someone be placed in 1v1 even during lockdown? My friend had the game since release but only now decided to try and place in 1v1, so we wanna know if he has to wait or if he can go play his placement matches right now
Yes, they will be placed somewhere and then stay there for this week.
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On February 09 2012 02:43 SDream wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 02:24 BradPitlord wrote:
Can someone please tell me can someone be placed in 1v1 even during lockdown? My friend had the game since release but only now decided to try and place in 1v1, so we wanna know if he has to wait or if he can go play his placement matches right now Yes, they will be placed somewhere and then stay there for this week.
Thanks! : D
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I have have seen many diamond, master and even platinum players who will have maybe one or two wins. It's pretty obvious that these players know that they no possess the skill level of the average player in these leagues and do not want to be demoted. Thus, they do not player any more games. (I can't say that I blame them.) For all intents and purposes these players can also be considered inactive. Does the presence of inactive players make it harder to get promoted? Since the leagues are set to be a percentage of the population and especially now that the game seems to be losing players, it would appear that these 'inactives' are preventing some legitimate players form being promoted.
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On February 06 2012 23:43 alepoff wrote:
If you just play a lot you will usually get a high rank in your division, but that doesn't mean your mmr is at that level. For example, you can be a top10 diamond player, but facing high-platinums and low diamonds.
This may have been when the bonus pool was enormous but I don't think this is true anymore. To be in the top 10 of your division you will most likely need to have positive adjusted points which means you will need to win more games than you lose. As a result, your MMR will go up and you will be facing better players. If you look at the typical top 10 player in any division you will find that many of them are playing against players from a higher league. Someone who just plays a lot of games will probably only be ranked 15-30 in the division.
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On February 09 2012 07:35 Average Joe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 23:43 alepoff wrote:
If you just play a lot you will usually get a high rank in your division, but that doesn't mean your mmr is at that level. For example, you can be a top10 diamond player, but facing high-platinums and low diamonds. This may have been when the bonus pool was enormous but I don't think this is true anymore. To be in the top 10 of your division you will most likely need to have positive adjusted points which means you will need to win more games than you lose. As a result, your MMR will go up and you will be facing better players. If you look at the typical top 10 player in any division you will find that many of them are playing against players from a higher league. Someone who just plays a lot of games will probably only be ranked 15-30 in the division.
This is right, it seems that the top 25 of every division will be somewhat active. So the 25-17 people will be "low" in that tier, the 16-9 people will be "mid" and the top 8 high, often times the top 2 is already low next tier MMR wise.
Of course every division and league is different, but this seems to be the case in mine and some others I was stalking.
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This is right, it seems that the top 25 of every division will be somewhat active. So the 25-17 people will be "low" in that tier, the 16-9 people will be "mid" and the top 8 high, often times the top 2 is already low next tier MMR wise.
Of course every division and league is different, but this seems to be the case in mine and some others I was stalking.
If you want to get a good sense for where you stand in your division, AND you've played enough that your bonus pool is 0:
* Take the current total bonus pool for your league (as Excalibur_Z says, you can look at someone with 0 wins and see their unused bonus pool to get that number.)
* Divide by about 11
* Compare your point score with that of those people who have more than that number of wins.
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