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Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
February 10 2012 17:01 GMT
#1121
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Lunden
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark79 Posts
February 10 2012 18:14 GMT
#1122
great job m8. ty ty
You always pass failure on the way to success
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
February 11 2012 20:17 GMT
#1123
This is a great write-up. It's a bit disturbing that my deviation of skill includes low masters all the way down to high gold. Guess that's what I get for switching races.
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
Sway.746
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States95 Posts
February 13 2012 17:45 GMT
#1124
At 750 points in Diamond, there are only 300 American diamond players above me. Odds I'm masters at the beginning of next season?
Cornel Bazinga
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany3 Posts
February 13 2012 21:35 GMT
#1125
Very interesting keep up the good work
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
February 14 2012 00:27 GMT
#1126
On February 14 2012 02:45 Sway.746 wrote:
At 750 points in Diamond, there are only 300 American diamond players above me. Odds I'm masters at the beginning of next season?


Well, are you facing masters players on ladder, and how frequently? How are you doing against them? I'm in a pretty similar situation as you at 690 and rank 1 in my division, but I feel like I'm still not quite past the 'confidence buffer' yet.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
Harrad
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1003 Posts
February 14 2012 16:43 GMT
#1127
Hmm I skipped a season on my NA account, but it still shows that I have to play one placement match for season 6, not five since my MMR was reset?
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 17:13:55
February 14 2012 17:12 GMT
#1128
On February 15 2012 01:43 Harrad wrote:
Hmm I skipped a season on my NA account, but it still shows that I have to play one placement match for season 6, not five since my MMR was reset?


I think it takes 2 seasons to reset your MMR. Or maybe it's a set amount of time.

I haven't played team games since season 2 and it still hasn't made me play 5 placements yet, so actually I have no idea.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
February 14 2012 17:35 GMT
#1129
On February 15 2012 01:43 Harrad wrote:
Hmm I skipped a season on my NA account, but it still shows that I have to play one placement match for season 6, not five since my MMR was reset?


It's possible that the "skip a season to reset MMR" thing was not intended. When I first received confirmation of that at the start of Season 3, the explanation I got was "the system only looks back one season", which at the time was accurate. However, there was no indication about whether that was intended behavior.
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SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
February 14 2012 18:47 GMT
#1130
It's still working, as I have 2 accounts I play 1 season in each and my NA account has been reset after skipping S5.

I am doing a bronze+ experiment this season, so I might actually also play in my EU account this time. But it is working, I can confirm. It's like the third time I play my 5 placements in NA. I did it twice in EU. Winning the first 5 is too easy, so now I tried the other way around :D
StarDrive
Profile Joined September 2010
90 Posts
February 14 2012 20:28 GMT
#1131
How do we reconcile division tiers with Blizzard's published numbers on league promotion?
KJSharp
Profile Joined May 2011
United States84 Posts
February 14 2012 20:47 GMT
#1132
If I decided to wait to play my placement match for 2 weeks, would my bonus pool be higher than if I played my placement match today? Put differently, does one's bonus pool increase from the beginning of a season no matter when he plays his placement match?
StarDrive
Profile Joined September 2010
90 Posts
February 14 2012 20:52 GMT
#1133
On February 15 2012 05:47 KJSharp wrote:
If I decided to wait to play my placement match for 2 weeks, would my bonus pool be higher than if I played my placement match today? Put differently, does one's bonus pool increase from the beginning of a season no matter when he plays his placement match?


Yes.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
February 14 2012 20:53 GMT
#1134
On February 15 2012 05:47 KJSharp wrote:
If I decided to wait to play my placement match for 2 weeks, would my bonus pool be higher than if I played my placement match today? Put differently, does one's bonus pool increase from the beginning of a season no matter when he plays his placement match?


I think it doesn't change at all, and always increase at same rate. Of course some leagues have different rates, so it may increase more if you are say master or grand master than diamond or below.
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
February 14 2012 20:58 GMT
#1135
On February 15 2012 05:28 StarDrive wrote:
How do we reconcile division tiers with Blizzard's published numbers on league promotion?


The league promotion targets correspond to the lowest end of one league to the lowest end of the next highest, which covers the largest possible span. If you're in a higher division tier than the lowest, it would take less MMR (and effectively less points).

Generally you'll know when you're close anyway based on the opponents you face regularly. For example, if the "Diamond to Master" chart references 535 required adjusted points for a next-season promotion, but you've already been facing Master players for a while and you have only 150 adjusted points, chances are you were in the highest Diamond division tier the whole time which starts you closer to the Master barrier.

Keep in mind that their numbers don't include the confidence buffer required for mid-season promotions.
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Sway.746
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States95 Posts
February 14 2012 21:46 GMT
#1136
I was placed in diamond after winning my placement match against a mid-master league player (was master in S5 and current season). Doesn't that seem a bit strange? I was playing ~50% master league for a couple weeks before end of ladder and winning >50% of games.
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
February 15 2012 01:21 GMT
#1137
On February 15 2012 06:46 Sway.746 wrote:
I was placed in diamond after winning my placement match against a mid-master league player (was master in S5 and current season). Doesn't that seem a bit strange? I was playing ~50% master league for a couple weeks before end of ladder and winning >50% of games.


It's possible they tightened up the master league MMR boundaries. It's also possible that your perception of your own record was a little off. It might not have to be off by much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Sway.746
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States95 Posts
February 15 2012 06:49 GMT
#1138
On February 15 2012 10:21 Lysenko wrote:
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On February 15 2012 06:46 Sway.746 wrote:
I was placed in diamond after winning my placement match against a mid-master league player (was master in S5 and current season). Doesn't that seem a bit strange? I was playing ~50% master league for a couple weeks before end of ladder and winning >50% of games.


It's possible they tightened up the master league MMR boundaries. It's also possible that your perception of your own record was a little off. It might not have to be off by much.


It makes sense if they tightened up the boundaries at the beginning, and then as players become inactive again they open more spots.
I was 7-3 in my last 10 games before the placement and 24-16 in previous 40 games... Maybe just not enough though. Oh well, time to gun for a mid-season promotion!
Kakaru2
Profile Joined March 2011
198 Posts
February 15 2012 07:25 GMT
#1139
I'd also like to comment on the MMR reset. In season 5 I did a test. I only played a single 2v2 AT team. No 1v1, or team randoms or other arranged teams. Just a single 2v2 AT whole season.
Yet, the MMR was not reset (previous consensus was that 1v1 and random teams mmr are linked). I still have to play just 1 match for 1v1 or random teams.
So that could mean one of these two:
1. also AT MMR is linked, so if you play a game (doesn't matter which type) in one season the system remembers all your previous positions.
2. (linked with previous report) The MMR is no longer reset if you skip a season.

Thankfully I have a friend that was last placed 1v1 in season 2 and 2v2/3v3 in season 3. That means he skipped 2 whole seasons. I'll try to get him tonight to connect and report how many placements he need to do.
Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-15 09:04:01
February 15 2012 08:48 GMT
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