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Five-0
Profile Joined April 2011
New Zealand6 Posts
June 09 2011 05:33 GMT
#501
Great for getting an understanding
Flimflam
Spirit09
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom38 Posts
June 09 2011 09:36 GMT
#502
On June 09 2011 10:22 Kyamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 22:14 Spirit09 wrote:
If someone new buys the game and has no game history at all and plays a placement match, how does the game decide how many points the persons opponent will win or lose for that match?


It is still based on their points vs. your MMR. You begin with an MMR at some level, not zero. The uncertainty will be high until you've played a number of games, but I think the calculation uses the uncertainty to moderate the points awarded, so no one is penalised for playing new players (at least points wise).



Yeah, I guess you must begin with a MMR at some level, but what level? I do not think you are correct about the uncertainty changing the points awarded, though. But I have no evidence.


Anyone able to comment on the uncertainty? I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that the uncertainity of a particlar MMR is part of calculations of points awarded and/or adjustements to MMR. i.e. that it is part of the formula used at the end of the match. The idea being that larger shifts to MMR should occur if there is less uncertainty in the two players MMRs to start with.

Or did I dream it?
you see a probe coming in your base. you don't see it go out. guess what happened??????
Kyamo
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada129 Posts
June 09 2011 17:08 GMT
#503
On June 09 2011 18:36 Spirit09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 10:22 Kyamo wrote:
On June 08 2011 22:14 Spirit09 wrote:
If someone new buys the game and has no game history at all and plays a placement match, how does the game decide how many points the persons opponent will win or lose for that match?


It is still based on their points vs. your MMR. You begin with an MMR at some level, not zero. The uncertainty will be high until you've played a number of games, but I think the calculation uses the uncertainty to moderate the points awarded, so no one is penalised for playing new players (at least points wise).



Yeah, I guess you must begin with a MMR at some level, but what level? I do not think you are correct about the uncertainty changing the points awarded, though. But I have no evidence.


Anyone able to comment on the uncertainty? I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that the uncertainity of a particlar MMR is part of calculations of points awarded and/or adjustements to MMR. i.e. that it is part of the formula used at the end of the match. The idea being that larger shifts to MMR should occur if there is less uncertainty in the two players MMRs to start with.

Or did I dream it?


The OP says that uncertainty affects the size of the adjustments to MMR, but does not mention any effect on points.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
June 09 2011 17:23 GMT
#504
On June 09 2011 18:36 Spirit09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2011 10:22 Kyamo wrote:
On June 08 2011 22:14 Spirit09 wrote:
If someone new buys the game and has no game history at all and plays a placement match, how does the game decide how many points the persons opponent will win or lose for that match?


It is still based on their points vs. your MMR. You begin with an MMR at some level, not zero. The uncertainty will be high until you've played a number of games, but I think the calculation uses the uncertainty to moderate the points awarded, so no one is penalised for playing new players (at least points wise).



Yeah, I guess you must begin with a MMR at some level, but what level? I do not think you are correct about the uncertainty changing the points awarded, though. But I have no evidence.


Anyone able to comment on the uncertainty? I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that the uncertainity of a particlar MMR is part of calculations of points awarded and/or adjustements to MMR. i.e. that it is part of the formula used at the end of the match. The idea being that larger shifts to MMR should occur if there is less uncertainty in the two players MMRs to start with.

Or did I dream it?


Uncertainty only affects your range of opponents and by extension how much your MMR can change after each game (the more uncertain, the greater the potential change).
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The-EliTe
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada10 Posts
June 09 2011 20:23 GMT
#505
On June 08 2011 21:03 Kyamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 16:13 Demonace34 wrote:
On June 08 2011 15:32 Firevampants wrote:
On June 06 2011 21:19 The-EliTe wrote:
Ok i had a weird problem after my recent promotion to diamond. In every game after my promotion that I played, I would be slightly favoured against all my opponents but they would all be in high diamond/low masters. I barely won and eventually that wore off but why was it doing that in the first place?

I have had this same problem for a while now, (the past 20 games in a row has put me favored or slightly favored) and I wanted to know how long it took for yours to wear off; I have not won all the games as I had a small loosing spree and some unlucky losses but I don't know if that matters.

first post


I don't think it is going to wear off until they patch it, until then even if you go 50/50 I think your points will go down and down. I might be wrong though.



I don't think that is correct. You are right that your points will drop as you go 50/50, but not forever. The problem is that you are in the wrong tier, so your adjusted points will drop and drop, going into the negative region. Once your adjusted points get low enough that they match the tier where your MMR is, you should see even matches again. I don't know how many games that would take, it depends on how many tiers off you are from your MMR.


Hey now im not favoured anymore but i started winning against top tier diamonds and now im playing masters
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
June 10 2011 19:41 GMT
#506
On June 10 2011 05:23 The-EliTe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 21:03 Kyamo wrote:
On June 08 2011 16:13 Demonace34 wrote:
On June 08 2011 15:32 Firevampants wrote:
On June 06 2011 21:19 The-EliTe wrote:
Ok i had a weird problem after my recent promotion to diamond. In every game after my promotion that I played, I would be slightly favoured against all my opponents but they would all be in high diamond/low masters. I barely won and eventually that wore off but why was it doing that in the first place?

I have had this same problem for a while now, (the past 20 games in a row has put me favored or slightly favored) and I wanted to know how long it took for yours to wear off; I have not won all the games as I had a small loosing spree and some unlucky losses but I don't know if that matters.

first post


I don't think it is going to wear off until they patch it, until then even if you go 50/50 I think your points will go down and down. I might be wrong though.



I don't think that is correct. You are right that your points will drop as you go 50/50, but not forever. The problem is that you are in the wrong tier, so your adjusted points will drop and drop, going into the negative region. Once your adjusted points get low enough that they match the tier where your MMR is, you should see even matches again. I don't know how many games that would take, it depends on how many tiers off you are from your MMR.


Hey now im not favoured anymore but i started winning against top tier diamonds and now im playing masters


Yeah, the hotfix for this bug went live sometime around yesterday afternoon. Not exactly sure what was done to fix the bug, though.
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UpperUltra
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2 Posts
June 12 2011 22:00 GMT
#507
im gold, went 57-4 and beat mid masters but still no promotion. can someone explain why and how i get promoted?
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
June 12 2011 22:13 GMT
#508
On June 13 2011 07:00 UpperUltra wrote:
im gold, went 57-4 and beat mid masters but still no promotion. can someone explain why and how i get promoted?


By playing more. The more "confidence" it has in your MMR the faster you'll be put in the correct league. You get more "confidence" by playing regularly (more or less).
SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
June 12 2011 22:36 GMT
#509
By playing more. The more "confidence" it has in your MMR the faster you'll be put in the correct league. You get more "confidence" by playing regularly (more or less).


This. Unless the leagues assignments are locked/bugged since Jun/10h! Who knows... I don't!
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-13 01:17:07
June 13 2011 01:08 GMT
#510
This ladder system is so frustrating... I completely stopped playing for 3-4 months and now I'm matched against Grand Master/High Master players, my reccord is awful I'm like 10-20 ! Why my MMR isn't dropping ? This is really discouraging since in most of the games I got stomped :/
Eddog
Profile Joined May 2010
United States142 Posts
June 13 2011 05:34 GMT
#511
Something seems a bit off with promotions right now. Noticed a couple threads on the Bnet forums wondering the same thing. Have been stuck at Rank 1 Plat for the past 2 days with many games played and won against Diamond and top diamond players and yet to be promoted. That may sound vague and wrong, but I can give you my char code if you want to take a glance at my match history regarding it.
The-EliTe
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada10 Posts
June 14 2011 00:08 GMT
#512
Ok now, I'm playing ladder and EVERY opponent I face is slightly favored to win and they are either top diamond or low masters. Even with me losing 3-4 games in a row, I keep facing these people. Does this mean there's some sort of MMR lock?
SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
June 14 2011 00:14 GMT
#513
On June 14 2011 09:08 The-EliTe wrote:
Ok now, I'm playing ladder and EVERY opponent I face is slightly favored to win and they are either top diamond or low masters. Even with me losing 3-4 games in a row, I keep facing these people. Does this mean there's some sort of MMR lock?


No, Blizzard changed the offsets recently and then you and lots of players are probably with way less points now than they should have, so it's normal, there is no MMR lock.
ntvarify
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States331 Posts
June 14 2011 00:25 GMT
#514
I've read this thread like 20 times now and it never ceases to amaze me.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
June 14 2011 01:27 GMT
#515
Ah, it wouldn't be ladder without Blizzard "fixing" it every 2 weeks. Kinda wish they'd lay off of it until season 3.
SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
June 14 2011 03:03 GMT
#516
Just found this guy and I wanted to share:

http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/573682/1/SteroidStar/ladder/17499#current-rank

A gold player with more than 1000 adjusted points.

Déjà vu.
mavsfan0041
Profile Joined February 2011
United States306 Posts
June 14 2011 04:49 GMT
#517
I'm having the opposite problem as a lot of people. I'm mid plat and starting about a week ago, with the exception of 2 games, I have been playing against only gold, winning about 75% of them. The odd thing is that every single game, the gold player is favored. I'm not really complaining since I've gotten about 350 points in the last week, but it's a bit weird.
R.I.P. CheckSix
The-EliTe
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada10 Posts
June 14 2011 21:58 GMT
#518
Im getting the same thing as mavsfan now...they are considered favoured but theyre all in plat or low diamond :\ does this mean a demotion for me?
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
June 14 2011 22:23 GMT
#519
On June 14 2011 12:03 SDream wrote:
Just found this guy and I wanted to share:

http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/573682/1/SteroidStar/ladder/17499#current-rank

A gold player with more than 1000 adjusted points.

Déjà vu.


The only thing I've heard on this is that the issue has been confirmed and "a fix is in testing now."

Still no information about what the actual cause of the problem is, or how widespread it is.
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SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
June 14 2011 22:45 GMT
#520
On June 15 2011 07:23 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 12:03 SDream wrote:
Just found this guy and I wanted to share:

http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/573682/1/SteroidStar/ladder/17499#current-rank

A gold player with more than 1000 adjusted points.

Déjà vu.


The only thing I've heard on this is that the issue has been confirmed and "a fix is in testing now."

Still no information about what the actual cause of the problem is, or how widespread it is.


Thanks for the information. There are a few players being promoted, so a "league assignment lock" couldn't be the answer.
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