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ProtossGirl
Profile Joined December 2010
England123 Posts
February 18 2011 08:13 GMT
#101
To sum up my thoughts/feelings as best as i can:

Expansion packs should expand upon a game, not make it irrelevant.

The clue is in the word "expansion pack" not "new game"

Phwar Gate
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 08:42:36
February 18 2011 08:39 GMT
#102
My first thought is that this seems to be the most logical solution. I just hope that the competitive scene don't get fragmented across the different games.


Edit:
Separate point: Are people actually bitching about the fucking price of the game? I have already played hundreds of games, for a one time price of 700 NOK for the collectors edition. That means that I have payed the price of a chewing gum for each hour of gametime, and the price keeps decreasing.

God this entitlement culture is killing me.
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
Panicc
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany163 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 08:52:16
February 18 2011 08:51 GMT
#103
On February 18 2011 15:16 ProtossGirl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 13:51 confusedcrib wrote:
To paraphrase iNcontroL: holy shit they're not fucking it all up, instead they're doing something obvious! What a great company!



To me, obvious would be allowing everyone full access to Starcraft 2's multiplayer,and those who want to spend time on additional singleplayer can buy the expansions.

With this method, anyone who wants to stay relevant is forced to pay out.

Not sure why this is so hard for you to see.



How stupid can someone be? Bizzard wants money which is normal for a company. Why should you get a new multiplayer withput paying? You are nothing more than a slacker who wants everything for free... now leave me alone.
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 08:59:07
February 18 2011 08:56 GMT
#104
While I dont really care for the separate ladders issue, since there's nothing new about it really, I cant but help feel that having to wait a few weeks for new maps(that are in the GSL) either means blizz wants to see how they fare or they are actually not planing on implementing them. The maps are already done pretty much so why would it take a few weeks to get them on there?
Do you really want chat rooms?
Eviltoast
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia166 Posts
February 18 2011 09:39 GMT
#105
I'm actually glad that they are doing it this way because it means that I won't have to buy the game as soon as it is released to get my fix of starcraft. The one problem with this method though could be that the community is split in half but I think as long as the pros move over the rest of us will follow like sheep.

So for blizzard to get the pros to move over they are probably going to switch all of their major tournaments over to HotS.
it's copacetic... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Trang
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia324 Posts
February 18 2011 09:42 GMT
#106
The sense of self-entitlement some people have in this thread ... it's just astounding. Since when was it not standard for this to happen?
CooDu
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia899 Posts
February 18 2011 09:43 GMT
#107
Sounds fine to me, obviously if the competitive community wants to stay with the game they'll migrate accordingly. Same with Brood War's new ladder no?

This decision makes the most sense.
Just a simple guy, going wherever this journey takes me.
NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
February 18 2011 09:47 GMT
#108
I can not believe people are complaining about the cost of an expansion. I can not think of any other entertainment product that gives you so much value and time for you 50-60$ or whatever it will be.
pandaminion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States270 Posts
February 18 2011 11:18 GMT
#109
Everyone who says that separate ladders will split the community are dead wrong; EVERYONE will migrate to the newer versions, just like people did with Brood War.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
February 18 2011 11:28 GMT
#110
On February 18 2011 14:56 Seam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 14:52 undyinglight wrote:
Do you guys think Wings of Liberty will still have much of a competitive scene post Heart of the Swarm. I think it would be interesting if the game lived on.



Did normal Starcraft have a competitive scene post BW?

No, but the RoC (Warcraft 3) scene continued to grow and stayed competitive after the release of TFT. So, I wouldn't be too suprised to see the same happen here. Basically you will end up with split communities.
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Shrewmy
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia199 Posts
February 18 2011 11:29 GMT
#111
Are people being intentionally dumb and forgetting that this is exactly what every expansion pack ever does for multiplayer?

The multiplayer ladders for each game are SEPARATE because expansion packs add new things, why people are complaining this leads me to believe that they're wearing the nostalgia goggles on a little too tightly, and are just simply jumping onto the Blizzard-hate bandwagon because that makes them cool.

I don't recall ever seeing Lurkers when I played vanilla SC after BW was released.

Jutranjo
Profile Joined October 2010
Slovenia140 Posts
February 18 2011 11:35 GMT
#112
On February 18 2011 17:13 ProtossGirl wrote:
To sum up my thoughts/feelings as best as i can:

Expansion packs should expand upon a game, not make it irrelevant.

The clue is in the word "expansion pack" not "new game"



Have you ever played an online RTS that had expansion packs? This isn't magic the gathering.
ZergOwaR
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway280 Posts
February 18 2011 11:36 GMT
#113
On February 18 2011 17:51 Panicc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 15:16 ProtossGirl wrote:
On February 18 2011 13:51 confusedcrib wrote:
To paraphrase iNcontroL: holy shit they're not fucking it all up, instead they're doing something obvious! What a great company!



To me, obvious would be allowing everyone full access to Starcraft 2's multiplayer,and those who want to spend time on additional singleplayer can buy the expansions.

With this method, anyone who wants to stay relevant is forced to pay out.

Not sure why this is so hard for you to see.



How stupid can someone be? Bizzard wants money which is normal for a company. Why should you get a new multiplayer withput paying? You are nothing more than a slacker who wants everything for free... now leave me alone.


hey here's an idea.. let them have a choice.. for those who dont buy expansions.. let them either choose to go ladder with only their expansion.. or let them face off against those with the expansions aswell... but ofc.. since you dont own the new expansion... you dont have the new units... have fun
dig dig dig dig dig dig die!
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
February 18 2011 11:39 GMT
#114
On February 18 2011 15:33 Xapti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 15:24 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
@Xapti
The multiplayer will be the same, just some balance and new units. Each combination isn't going to be different. If it's a true expansion then having LotV means you will have WoL+HotS+LotV in order to play LotV. So there will be at most 3 separate ladders.

I am stating a fact that blizzard said the expansions would be standalone. I am not saying that they didn't change their minds.

Like I said, the way the FAQ is written, it seems like they may have changed their minds.

Aside from the FAQ, which is not clear, and is not even too reliable, where has it been said that they will not be standalone?

Where does it stated it IS standalone?
you still get your own WOL multiplayer with everything and other ppl move on.
they don't remove anything you know, they just add an extra portion wich you don't get if you don't buy the expansions.
could you play brood war without starcraft?
could you play the frozen throne without warcraft 3?
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
February 18 2011 11:47 GMT
#115
I like that they keep the ladders separated. That's the way it worked in previous titles and it worked well. Fans of the classic game or nostalgic players had the "vanilla" game to mess around with; everyone else had the updated version to ladder on. Keep in mind that Blizzard doesn't have to support the then-outdated WoL any longer (just as they needn't have done with vanilla StarCraft or War3), but they did/do, which is a nice thing.

Also, lol @ at the sheer amount of pointless discussion going on in a mere 6 pages.
RogerShah
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands131 Posts
February 18 2011 11:55 GMT
#116
I think a lot of casual players will stick to WoL because they don't want to spend $$$ for a campaign of race they don't like (most of the casual players don't like zerg as much as terran or toss) and some new lousy units. Two seperate sc2 ladders will hurt the online community.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 18 2011 12:02 GMT
#117
I'm just asking in Hots if the multiplayer will feature new units/mechanics in the ladder games ? If it doesn't there is no meaning in spliting the ladders or buying the expansion in general .
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 18 2011 12:07 GMT
#118
On February 18 2011 20:55 RogerShah wrote:
I think a lot of casual players will stick to WoL because they don't want to spend $$$ for a campaign of race they don't like (most of the casual players don't like zerg as much as terran or toss) and some new lousy units. Two seperate sc2 ladders will hurt the online community.


No it will not ... .The casual players will play WoL . The competitive players will play HotS . If casual players want to become competitive they will just buy HotS . Maybe the custom games shouldn't be on a 2 diffrent ladders , but in 1 .
anilusion
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden247 Posts
February 18 2011 12:10 GMT
#119
On February 18 2011 12:57 chonkyfire wrote:
why wouldn't there be?


unless they don't plan on adding any new units...


"Although there will be a separate ladder for HotS, players will still be able to play the Wings of Liberty ladder without having, 'to deal with new units or balance problems or anything like that,' said Browder."
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
February 18 2011 12:14 GMT
#120
On February 18 2011 20:28 LittLeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 14:56 Seam wrote:
On February 18 2011 14:52 undyinglight wrote:
Do you guys think Wings of Liberty will still have much of a competitive scene post Heart of the Swarm. I think it would be interesting if the game lived on.



Did normal Starcraft have a competitive scene post BW?

No, but the RoC (Warcraft 3) scene continued to grow and stayed competitive after the release of TFT. So, I wouldn't be too suprised to see the same happen here. Basically you will end up with split communities.


Split community tend to indicate something split in the middle and not 99.9% vs 0.01%. A bunch of Russians, playing RoC and massing huntresses, isn't exactly a large part of the community.
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