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Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
February 18 2011 06:22 GMT
#61
On February 18 2011 15:10 ProtossGirl wrote:
if these expansions are priced at normal full game point then it will become even more obvious how little this community means to blizz.

IF we meant anything to them there would be no issue with allowing the new units to be used by everyone in multiplayer, and the expansion content would be purely singleplayer for an actual axpansion price.

However i bet we're going to see full price for this for a couple of units and maps :S



This Girl understood what I meant up there.

Blizzard said the releases would be independent but we wouldn't need to buy all three to play online. In a way this makes it true, but it also makes sure the experience is so poor people will end up forking the extra money or abandoning the game entirely.

I sure hope Blizzard won't try to money grab and charge U$60,00 (which is already 10 bucks more then "normal" PC games), but I won't count on it. I do fear and believe it will be 60.
ProtossGirl
Profile Joined December 2010
England123 Posts
February 18 2011 06:24 GMT
#62
I dont understand why people would even consider supporting multiple ladders.

Fragment the community
Dead ladders left behind
Extra cost to participate

This is not a positive thing for any player. It's fucking positive for blizz balance sheet, but not for us.

Why are people supporting this?
Phwar Gate
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
February 18 2011 06:24 GMT
#63
@Xapti

The multiplayer will be the same, just some balance and new units. Each combination isn't going to be different. If it's a true expansion then having LotV means you will have WoL+HotS+LotV in order to play LotV. So there will be at most 3 separate ladders.

Show nested quote +
Why do you think they'll be $40? They're going to be separate, full-size games for full price. HotS is going to have its own giant campaign just like WoL. They've already said this over and over.

What? They actually said the EXACT opposite for ~2 years in their FAQ on the old SC2 site. I can't find a FAQ like that anymore, but if they said it "over and over" then surely you can find a source?


Ugh I hate how people seem to have caught the idea that each expansion is going to be the full $60 from whiners that also caught the idea from someone else...

Like he said, the expansions will be treated as expansions. This has been stated numerous times. It will probably be $40-50. $40 would be a really great price, considering how great a game SC2 (and all Blizzard games) are. If you compare it with a series like CoD which is $60 per year (plus online subscription), it makes CoD look like shit.

Honestly I wouldn't mind if the expansions were even $60... if the online is free and this game will last at least 12 years like BW (and probably will last wayyyy longer than 12, perhaps even 50 years assuming there is no drastic technological advancement or such in the world).
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apm66
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada943 Posts
February 18 2011 06:25 GMT
#64
On February 18 2011 15:22 Jotoco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 15:10 ProtossGirl wrote:
if these expansions are priced at normal full game point then it will become even more obvious how little this community means to blizz.

IF we meant anything to them there would be no issue with allowing the new units to be used by everyone in multiplayer, and the expansion content would be purely singleplayer for an actual axpansion price.

However i bet we're going to see full price for this for a couple of units and maps :S



This Girl understood what I meant up there.

Blizzard said the releases would be independent but we wouldn't need to buy all three to play online. In a way this makes it true, but it also makes sure the experience is so poor people will end up forking the extra money or abandoning the game entirely.

I sure hope Blizzard won't try to money grab and charge U$60,00 (which is already 10 bucks more then "normal" PC games), but I won't count on it. I do fear and believe it will be 60.


It stinks Activision all over the damn place! I blame activision for this, not blizzard.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
February 18 2011 06:25 GMT
#65
On February 18 2011 15:15 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
That's not true.

It is true. The question is whether they changed that idea or not. Looking at the way the FAQ is answered, it looks like it may have been changed so that they are NOT standalone.
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
February 18 2011 06:25 GMT
#66
On February 18 2011 15:24 ProtossGirl wrote:
I dont understand why people would even consider supporting multiple ladders.

Fragment the community
Dead ladders left behind
Extra cost to participate

This is not a positive thing for any player. It's fucking positive for blizz balance sheet, but not for us.

Why are people supporting this?

Didn't this already happen in Starcraft1? Starcraft vanilla vs Starcraft Broodwar.
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Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
February 18 2011 06:26 GMT
#67
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Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
February 18 2011 06:26 GMT
#68
I don't get why this is news, it's obvious that a new ladder would be made. I want an official statement that new units will definitely be coming out for multiplayer. Everything I've read so far seems pretty vague.
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Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 06:29:26
February 18 2011 06:27 GMT
#69
Bunch of cheap bastards in here. Starcraft games are one of the best values around and still the only thing you do is bitch bitch bitch.

If you can't fork over 60$ for such a brilliant game and two expansions years down the line, I don't really know what to tell you. Maybe play/follow other games, you apparently don't like Starcraft that much after all.



On February 18 2011 13:26 Jotoco wrote:
Blizzard said we wouldn't need to buy all 3 games to play multi-player. Guess Activision got in the way of that.

Way to keep your promises, Blizzard...

Pretty sure you can stil play multiplayer on the WoL ladder when you don't buy HotS. :p

Don't see how that's different from what they announced.


I'm fairly certain the LotV ladder will end up as the defacto standard ladder when all is said and done.
IamBach
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1059 Posts
February 18 2011 06:27 GMT
#70
LOL its looks like it might be another whole fracture. Maybe now it will be a BW forum, WOL forum and HOTS forum.
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Meteora.GB
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2479 Posts
February 18 2011 06:27 GMT
#71
Huh. Interesting.
Tsagacity
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2124 Posts
February 18 2011 06:28 GMT
#72
On February 18 2011 15:24 ProtossGirl wrote:
I dont understand why people would even consider supporting multiple ladders.

Fragment the community
Dead ladders left behind
Extra cost to participate

This is not a positive thing for any player. It's fucking positive for blizz balance sheet, but not for us.

Why are people supporting this?
I don't recall this being a problem at all going from SC1 -> Broodwar
"Everyone worse than me at video games is a noob. Everyone better than me doesn't have a life."
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 06:29:59
February 18 2011 06:29 GMT
#73
On February 18 2011 15:26 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 15:25 apm66 wrote:
On February 18 2011 15:22 Jotoco wrote:
On February 18 2011 15:10 ProtossGirl wrote:
if these expansions are priced at normal full game point then it will become even more obvious how little this community means to blizz.

IF we meant anything to them there would be no issue with allowing the new units to be used by everyone in multiplayer, and the expansion content would be purely singleplayer for an actual axpansion price.

However i bet we're going to see full price for this for a couple of units and maps :S



This Girl understood what I meant up there.

Blizzard said the releases would be independent but we wouldn't need to buy all three to play online. In a way this makes it true, but it also makes sure the experience is so poor people will end up forking the extra money or abandoning the game entirely.

I sure hope Blizzard won't try to money grab and charge U$60,00 (which is already 10 bucks more then "normal" PC games), but I won't count on it. I do fear and believe it will be 60.


It stinks Activision all over the damn place! I blame activision for this, not blizzard.

dude, separate ladders were in sc1 (vs bw), d2 (vs lod), wc3 (vs tft). Activision, right.


Like people pointed out, why is this even news. There has always been a new ladder for each expansion since Warcraft2, and that was back in 1995-1996.
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 06:31:24
February 18 2011 06:30 GMT
#74
Seriously guys why are you complaining about the price? Starcraft, a series where you can spend tens of thousands of hours playing, especially if you've been playing since SC1. (Average 5 hours a week makes 1500 hours a year... 6 years of SC2 = over 9000 hours).

Can any of those games (let's say RPGs) that focus on campaign only and are $60 and can only net you 75 hours at the very maximum even compare to the replayability of Starcraft?

It's not like Bnet isn't free or anything either.
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ProtossGirl
Profile Joined December 2010
England123 Posts
February 18 2011 06:30 GMT
#75
On February 18 2011 15:28 Tsagacity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 15:24 ProtossGirl wrote:
I dont understand why people would even consider supporting multiple ladders.

Fragment the community
Dead ladders left behind
Extra cost to participate

This is not a positive thing for any player. It's fucking positive for blizz balance sheet, but not for us.

Why are people supporting this?
I don't recall this being a problem at all going from SC1 -> Broodwar


I dont recall broodwar being planned pre release of starcraft.
I don't recall blizzard charging $60.00 per game 10 years ago
I don't recall activision being involved before.


"hey guys, we got fucked around in the past before.. so lets just be okay with it this time, in a totally different contest!!"
Phwar Gate
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
February 18 2011 06:32 GMT
#76
On February 18 2011 15:30 ProtossGirl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 15:28 Tsagacity wrote:
On February 18 2011 15:24 ProtossGirl wrote:
I dont understand why people would even consider supporting multiple ladders.

Fragment the community
Dead ladders left behind
Extra cost to participate

This is not a positive thing for any player. It's fucking positive for blizz balance sheet, but not for us.

Why are people supporting this?
I don't recall this being a problem at all going from SC1 -> Broodwar


I dont recall broodwar being planned pre release of starcraft.
I don't recall blizzard charging $60.00 per game 10 years ago
I don't recall activision being involved before.


"hey guys, we got fucked around in the past before.. so lets just be okay with it this time, in a totally different contest!!"

There has always been a new ladder for each expansion since Warcraft2, and that was back in 1995-1996. The reason no one cares is because no one ever seen it as a problem. As in no one really felt they got "fucked"
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DeltruS
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2214 Posts
February 18 2011 06:33 GMT
#77
I can't believe people are complaining about the community being fractured. EVERYONE will be on HoTS servers, just like with games like WoW. The expansion wont cost much and anyone who is on TL will buy it.
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AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
February 18 2011 06:33 GMT
#78
On February 18 2011 15:24 ProtossGirl wrote:
I dont understand why people would even consider supporting multiple ladders.

Fragment the community
Dead ladders left behind
Extra cost to participate

This is not a positive thing for any player. It's fucking positive for blizz balance sheet, but not for us.

Why are people supporting this?


How is it possible to have 1 ladder for both games?
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 06:38:50
February 18 2011 06:33 GMT
#79
On February 18 2011 15:24 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
@Xapti
The multiplayer will be the same, just some balance and new units. Each combination isn't going to be different. If it's a true expansion then having LotV means you will have WoL+HotS+LotV in order to play LotV. So there will be at most 3 separate ladders.

I am stating a fact that blizzard said the expansions would be standalone. I am not saying that they didn't change their minds.

Like I said, the way the FAQ is written, it seems like they may have changed their minds.

Aside from the FAQ, which is not clear, and is not even too reliable, where has it been said that they will not be standalone?
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
February 18 2011 06:38 GMT
#80
$60 for a game every year and a half is not a big deal, especially when it's Starcraft 2. There's no releases set for this year, which means you still got at least a year until that $60 is due. That's about 16-17 cents a day, which isn't even enough to sponsor a starving Ethiopian kid, you'll be fine.

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