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Crushgroove
Profile Joined July 2010
United States793 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 22:07:56
February 19 2011 22:06 GMT
#241
I wish there was a way to at least combine achievements or portraits or something into the new ladder. I felt the same way with TFT when it came out. They offered new portraits for TFT... but we couldn't also select the ones we'd earned on ROC? lame. Its not like people would get confused and think you earned it on tft... only ROC wins counted. =/ oh well.

I understand that there will be a different ladder, but its all the same battle.net is my point. Should be able to see how you're ranked on the WoL ladder and on the HotS ladder from the same interface. And select any portrait you've earned form either ladder for B.net.

There's zero reason why that isn't technically feasible.
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Jamial
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1289 Posts
February 19 2011 22:10 GMT
#242
I really don't want the scene to split even further. We already have SC Vanilla (Does exist to some extent), SC BW vs. SC2, and I already hate this. SC2 scene only would be so much better, and far more competitive and fun.

But I guess I'm in the smaller of the two groups of people. I reckon most want as many different "ladders" as possible.
Flaf?
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
February 19 2011 22:11 GMT
#243
On February 20 2011 05:22 Leeoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 05:00 uberon wrote:
On February 20 2011 04:51 Nemireck wrote:
On February 20 2011 04:44 Eogris wrote:


the main point is that blizzard has never split ONE GAME into THREE based on race. people are saying they do this for all of their games and unless i'm playing different blizzard games, they dont. I understand that I will buy hots if there will be separate ladders, but i remember reading from a blizzard faq that the only thing the expansions added were campaigns.


It might be the first time they've split their SP campaigns based on race, but the general theme is consistent with their past releases. We're getting a couple of new units and/or abilities for multiplayer, and a new campaign to play, not unlike their expansions in SC1, and we're getting more content than we got in their Diablo 2 expansion.

We ARE being ripped off when you consider that SC2 and BW both had 3 campaigns (one for each race), but many players don't even bother with the campaign, or only use it as a warm-up before jumping into the multiplayer experience.

Scaling back content and selling more of it later on is nothing new in our current era of gaming. I knew what I was getting into long before SC2 beta was even started, and anyone who had done a little bit of research before hand should have known what was going to happen as well.


Actually, SC1 and Brood War each had ~30 missions, ~10 for each race.

SC2: WoL has ~30 missions, and each expansion is planned to have ~30 as well. Along with new units/buildings/spells in multiplayer.

So we're actually getting the same amount of content (besides basic game functions) in each installment. I would expect the expansions to be priced from $30-$40 (USD).

That being said, I don't understand the complainers in this thread. Blizzard has been done this for every game since the beginning of Battle.net.

the point was that it was previously stated (i cant find the link) that each release would be a full standalone with the same battle net experience for all 3 versions


They were quite clear that they would be expansions, not stand-alone games. The media reporting on the announcements described the expansions as stand-alone, not Blizzard themselves.
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Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
February 19 2011 22:14 GMT
#244
Theyre using the same trick they used in wow. "You dont have to buy the expansion, you can still play the normal version " and with normal i mean old, and with play i mean alone. So yeah, basically you will have to buy it.
This is our town, scrub
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 22:29:02
February 19 2011 22:28 GMT
#245
On February 20 2011 07:14 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Theyre using the same trick they used in wow. "You dont have to buy the expansion, you can still play the normal version " and with normal i mean old, and with play i mean alone. So yeah, basically you will have to buy it.

How is it a trick?
you rather want no updates for the multiplayer at all?
oh no, you want free unit updates in a game wich is clearly focused on multiplayer.
Its not like they shut down the WOL servers is it? zomg i need to spend money for new content, wuts this?!
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
February 19 2011 22:37 GMT
#246
On February 20 2011 07:28 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 07:14 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Theyre using the same trick they used in wow. "You dont have to buy the expansion, you can still play the normal version " and with normal i mean old, and with play i mean alone. So yeah, basically you will have to buy it.

How is it a trick?
you rather want no updates for the multiplayer at all?
oh no, you want free unit updates in a game wich is clearly focused on multiplayer.
Its not like they shut down the WOL servers is it? zomg i need to spend money for new content, wuts this?!

Do you really think that no updates is the only alternative to this?
It used to be standart to have new content and updates for free, just like it used to be standart to have a game released that was working with only few bugs. Nowadays its all about making money, which is understandable as blizzard is just another company as well. Valve shows that it is possible to make a good living out of selling games without constantly pressuring to buy expansions ( cs source or tf2 ).
Are you really making fun of me because Im find it unacceptable to be forced like this?
This is our town, scrub
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
February 19 2011 22:40 GMT
#247
On February 20 2011 07:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 07:28 Assirra wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:14 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Theyre using the same trick they used in wow. "You dont have to buy the expansion, you can still play the normal version " and with normal i mean old, and with play i mean alone. So yeah, basically you will have to buy it.

How is it a trick?
you rather want no updates for the multiplayer at all?
oh no, you want free unit updates in a game wich is clearly focused on multiplayer.
Its not like they shut down the WOL servers is it? zomg i need to spend money for new content, wuts this?!

Do you really think that no updates is the only alternative to this?
It used to be standart to have new content and updates for free, just like it used to be standart to have a game released that was working with only few bugs. Nowadays its all about making money, which is understandable as blizzard is just another company as well. Valve shows that it is possible to make a good living out of selling games without constantly pressuring to buy expansions ( cs source or tf2 ).
Are you really making fun of me because Im find it unacceptable to be forced like this?


But Blizzard do provide free updates and content in SC 2?
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
February 19 2011 22:44 GMT
#248
On February 20 2011 07:40 Eury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 07:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:28 Assirra wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:14 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Theyre using the same trick they used in wow. "You dont have to buy the expansion, you can still play the normal version " and with normal i mean old, and with play i mean alone. So yeah, basically you will have to buy it.

How is it a trick?
you rather want no updates for the multiplayer at all?
oh no, you want free unit updates in a game wich is clearly focused on multiplayer.
Its not like they shut down the WOL servers is it? zomg i need to spend money for new content, wuts this?!

Do you really think that no updates is the only alternative to this?
It used to be standart to have new content and updates for free, just like it used to be standart to have a game released that was working with only few bugs. Nowadays its all about making money, which is understandable as blizzard is just another company as well. Valve shows that it is possible to make a good living out of selling games without constantly pressuring to buy expansions ( cs source or tf2 ).
Are you really making fun of me because Im find it unacceptable to be forced like this?


But Blizzard do provide free updates and content in SC 2?

They provide free updates for the bugs that shouldn't be there in the first place and for balance issues which both are essential so that it is even possible to play.They're not adding anything new.
Now keep in mind please that I'm not raging against Blizzard. They made a lot of great games and from their view it is totally understandable to make money out of that, but i think my criticism isn't totally unjustified.
This is our town, scrub
optical630
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom768 Posts
February 19 2011 22:53 GMT
#249
ur not just buying a new ladder and units remember, theres a whole zerg single player too ^^
QuestSeekers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States39 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 22:54:58
February 19 2011 22:54 GMT
#250
I thought they were all going to be stand alone games?

Further, Does the OP imply that LotV will have all the units from HotS and WoL? Soooo, don't buy HoTS, just wait for LotV and get the 'final' ladder with all the units... Or will there be ladders for every conceivable mix of 'expansions'?

Example, a Ladder for people with WoL, and LotV, but not HotS
strategy is distinct from tactics; tactics is concerned with the conduct of an engagement, while strategy is concerned with how different engagements are linked.
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
February 19 2011 22:54 GMT
#251
On February 20 2011 07:44 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 07:40 Eury wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:28 Assirra wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:14 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Theyre using the same trick they used in wow. "You dont have to buy the expansion, you can still play the normal version " and with normal i mean old, and with play i mean alone. So yeah, basically you will have to buy it.

How is it a trick?
you rather want no updates for the multiplayer at all?
oh no, you want free unit updates in a game wich is clearly focused on multiplayer.
Its not like they shut down the WOL servers is it? zomg i need to spend money for new content, wuts this?!

Do you really think that no updates is the only alternative to this?
It used to be standart to have new content and updates for free, just like it used to be standart to have a game released that was working with only few bugs. Nowadays its all about making money, which is understandable as blizzard is just another company as well. Valve shows that it is possible to make a good living out of selling games without constantly pressuring to buy expansions ( cs source or tf2 ).
Are you really making fun of me because Im find it unacceptable to be forced like this?


But Blizzard do provide free updates and content in SC 2?

They provide free updates for the bugs that shouldn't be there in the first place and for balance issues which both are essential so that it is even possible to play.They're not adding anything new.
Now keep in mind please that I'm not raging against Blizzard. They made a lot of great games and from their view it is totally understandable to make money out of that, but i think my criticism isn't totally unjustified.


Bugs will always exist. Find me a game without any bugs.

Secondly they do provide free content, Star Jewel, Aiur Chef, Left 2 Die + several melee maps have been provided after launch without costing you anything extra.

Maybe that isn't good enough for you, so why don't you tell us what kind of free content you are after, hats ala TF 2 perhaps?
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 22:59:35
February 19 2011 22:56 GMT
#252
On February 20 2011 07:54 QuestSeekers wrote:
I thought they were all going to be stand alone games?

Further, Does the OP imply that LotV will have all the units from HoTS and WoL? Soooo, don't buy HoTS, just wait for LotV and get the 'final' ladder with all the units... Or will there be ladders for every conceivable mix of 'expansions'?

"just waiting" for lotv would mean waiting for like 1.5 years , but it would be a possibility.

On February 20 2011 07:54 Eury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 07:44 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:40 Eury wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:28 Assirra wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:14 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Theyre using the same trick they used in wow. "You dont have to buy the expansion, you can still play the normal version " and with normal i mean old, and with play i mean alone. So yeah, basically you will have to buy it.

How is it a trick?
you rather want no updates for the multiplayer at all?
oh no, you want free unit updates in a game wich is clearly focused on multiplayer.
Its not like they shut down the WOL servers is it? zomg i need to spend money for new content, wuts this?!

Do you really think that no updates is the only alternative to this?
It used to be standart to have new content and updates for free, just like it used to be standart to have a game released that was working with only few bugs. Nowadays its all about making money, which is understandable as blizzard is just another company as well. Valve shows that it is possible to make a good living out of selling games without constantly pressuring to buy expansions ( cs source or tf2 ).
Are you really making fun of me because Im find it unacceptable to be forced like this?


But Blizzard do provide free updates and content in SC 2?

They provide free updates for the bugs that shouldn't be there in the first place and for balance issues which both are essential so that it is even possible to play.They're not adding anything new.
Now keep in mind please that I'm not raging against Blizzard. They made a lot of great games and from their view it is totally understandable to make money out of that, but i think my criticism isn't totally unjustified.


Bugs will always exist. Find me a game without any bugs.

Secondly they do provide free content, Star Jewel, Aiur Chef, Left 2 Die + several melee maps have been provided after launch without costing you anything extra.

Maybe that isn't good enough for you, so why don't you tell us what kind of free content you are after, hats ala TF 2 perhaps?

"Maybe that isnt good enough for you" Are you serious?
If you dont want to have a rational argument, fine.
This is our town, scrub
craz3d
Profile Joined August 2005
Bulgaria856 Posts
February 19 2011 22:56 GMT
#253
On February 20 2011 07:54 QuestSeekers wrote:
I thought they were all going to be stand alone games?

Further, Does the OP imply that LotV will have all the units from HoTS and WoL? Soooo, don't buy HoTS, just wait for LotV and get the 'final' ladder with all the units... Or will there be ladders for every conceivable mix of 'expansions'?


Unless Blizzard make it so that LotV requires an installed HoTS
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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 23:00:07
February 19 2011 22:58 GMT
#254
On February 20 2011 07:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 07:28 Assirra wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:14 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Theyre using the same trick they used in wow. "You dont have to buy the expansion, you can still play the normal version " and with normal i mean old, and with play i mean alone. So yeah, basically you will have to buy it.

How is it a trick?
you rather want no updates for the multiplayer at all?
oh no, you want free unit updates in a game wich is clearly focused on multiplayer.
Its not like they shut down the WOL servers is it? zomg i need to spend money for new content, wuts this?!

Do you really think that no updates is the only alternative to this?
It used to be standart to have new content and updates for free, just like it used to be standart to have a game released that was working with only few bugs. Nowadays its all about making money, which is understandable as blizzard is just another company as well. Valve shows that it is possible to make a good living out of selling games without constantly pressuring to buy expansions ( cs source or tf2 ).
Are you really making fun of me because Im find it unacceptable to be forced like this?

Valve is the exception, not the rule.
They are known for doing crazy stuff like that in the same way they are known for selling games at insanely low prices during the steam sales.
I am not sure if it ever was standard that you got free updates, i might have missed something but from far as i can remember you always needed to buy new content, from expansion to DLC (dont get me started about this crap)
Plz give me examples if i am wrong here.(non valve)
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
February 19 2011 23:02 GMT
#255
On February 20 2011 07:58 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 07:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:28 Assirra wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:14 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Theyre using the same trick they used in wow. "You dont have to buy the expansion, you can still play the normal version " and with normal i mean old, and with play i mean alone. So yeah, basically you will have to buy it.

How is it a trick?
you rather want no updates for the multiplayer at all?
oh no, you want free unit updates in a game wich is clearly focused on multiplayer.
Its not like they shut down the WOL servers is it? zomg i need to spend money for new content, wuts this?!

Do you really think that no updates is the only alternative to this?
It used to be standart to have new content and updates for free, just like it used to be standart to have a game released that was working with only few bugs. Nowadays its all about making money, which is understandable as blizzard is just another company as well. Valve shows that it is possible to make a good living out of selling games without constantly pressuring to buy expansions ( cs source or tf2 ).
Are you really making fun of me because Im find it unacceptable to be forced like this?

Valve is the exception, not the rule.
They are known for doing crazy stuff like that in the same way they are known for selling games at insanely low prices during the steam sales.
I am not sure if it ever was standard that you got free updates, i might have missed something but from far as i can remember you always needed to buy new content, from expansion to DLC (dont get me started about this crap)
Plz give me examples if i am wrong here.(non valve)

You're right maybe I went a little to far with the standart new content. Gotta leave this thread before I get destroyed.
This is our town, scrub
Reborn58
Profile Joined August 2010
United States238 Posts
February 19 2011 23:11 GMT
#256
Is everyone missing the part about new maps in the next few weeks or did I understand wrong?

I hope there are some good new maps integrated into the pool soon
That's what she said
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
February 19 2011 23:17 GMT
#257
On February 20 2011 07:56 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 07:54 QuestSeekers wrote:
I thought they were all going to be stand alone games?

Further, Does the OP imply that LotV will have all the units from HoTS and WoL? Soooo, don't buy HoTS, just wait for LotV and get the 'final' ladder with all the units... Or will there be ladders for every conceivable mix of 'expansions'?

"just waiting" for lotv would mean waiting for like 1.5 years , but it would be a possibility.

Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 07:54 Eury wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:44 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:40 Eury wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:28 Assirra wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:14 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Theyre using the same trick they used in wow. "You dont have to buy the expansion, you can still play the normal version " and with normal i mean old, and with play i mean alone. So yeah, basically you will have to buy it.

How is it a trick?
you rather want no updates for the multiplayer at all?
oh no, you want free unit updates in a game wich is clearly focused on multiplayer.
Its not like they shut down the WOL servers is it? zomg i need to spend money for new content, wuts this?!

Do you really think that no updates is the only alternative to this?
It used to be standart to have new content and updates for free, just like it used to be standart to have a game released that was working with only few bugs. Nowadays its all about making money, which is understandable as blizzard is just another company as well. Valve shows that it is possible to make a good living out of selling games without constantly pressuring to buy expansions ( cs source or tf2 ).
Are you really making fun of me because Im find it unacceptable to be forced like this?


But Blizzard do provide free updates and content in SC 2?

They provide free updates for the bugs that shouldn't be there in the first place and for balance issues which both are essential so that it is even possible to play.They're not adding anything new.
Now keep in mind please that I'm not raging against Blizzard. They made a lot of great games and from their view it is totally understandable to make money out of that, but i think my criticism isn't totally unjustified.


Bugs will always exist. Find me a game without any bugs.

Secondly they do provide free content, Star Jewel, Aiur Chef, Left 2 Die + several melee maps have been provided after launch without costing you anything extra.

Maybe that isn't good enough for you, so why don't you tell us what kind of free content you are after, hats ala TF 2 perhaps?

"Maybe that isnt good enough for you" Are you serious?
If you dont want to have a rational argument, fine.


It was a simple question, what kind of free content do you feel is lacking in SC 2?
dragonblade369
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada464 Posts
February 19 2011 23:17 GMT
#258
On February 20 2011 07:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 07:28 Assirra wrote:
On February 20 2011 07:14 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Theyre using the same trick they used in wow. "You dont have to buy the expansion, you can still play the normal version " and with normal i mean old, and with play i mean alone. So yeah, basically you will have to buy it.

How is it a trick?
you rather want no updates for the multiplayer at all?
oh no, you want free unit updates in a game wich is clearly focused on multiplayer.
Its not like they shut down the WOL servers is it? zomg i need to spend money for new content, wuts this?!

Do you really think that no updates is the only alternative to this?
It used to be standart to have new content and updates for free, just like it used to be standart to have a game released that was working with only few bugs. Nowadays its all about making money, which is understandable as blizzard is just another company as well. Valve shows that it is possible to make a good living out of selling games without constantly pressuring to buy expansions ( cs source or tf2 ).
Are you really making fun of me because Im find it unacceptable to be forced like this?



You have no idea how the gaming industry works....
genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
February 19 2011 23:35 GMT
#259
On February 20 2011 03:46 [NoiSe] wrote:
A separate ladder would be cool, but then how are achievements going to work? This sounds lame but I really enjoy getting portraits haha. If we use the same account, will MMR transfer over? Will portraits be different? So many questions D:



This is the only question I have. Will our PROFILE transfer over? Will we keep our achievement points and portraits? I really hope so. This is the only thing that I would rage over. I'm a bit of an achievement whore and not getting to keep those in the new expansion would be pretty stupid.

Although getting an answer in this sea of "omg blizzard is ripping us off! D:" seems unlikely.
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megagoten
Profile Joined October 2010
318 Posts
February 19 2011 23:39 GMT
#260
On February 20 2011 08:35 genius_man16 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 03:46 [NoiSe] wrote:
A separate ladder would be cool, but then how are achievements going to work? This sounds lame but I really enjoy getting portraits haha. If we use the same account, will MMR transfer over? Will portraits be different? So many questions D:



This is the only question I have. Will our PROFILE transfer over? Will we keep our achievement points and portraits? I really hope so. This is the only thing that I would rage over. I'm a bit of an achievement whore and not getting to keep those in the new expansion would be pretty stupid.

Although getting an answer in this sea of "omg blizzard is ripping us off! D:" seems unlikely.

hopefully blizzard won't chop off our e-peens
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