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nehl
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany270 Posts
February 19 2011 16:58 GMT
#201
it doesnot surprise me at all.
if u see the other games, it is the same.
i dont think it is possible haveing a ladder for two different games.
Eogris
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States148 Posts
February 19 2011 17:12 GMT
#202
i was under the impression that the expansions would just be single player campaign upgrades and that multiplayer would be patched to the WoL players.. kind of mad about this.
THE NUKES GONNA LAND ON HIS ARMYYYYYYYYYYY
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
February 19 2011 17:14 GMT
#203
On February 20 2011 01:20 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2011 06:24 Striding Strider wrote:
On February 19 2011 06:22 miDnight_SC wrote:
I through when they said that the expandsions will only have single player, and Wol will have free update. isn't that what they said???!!!!!


Yes.

Dumb move. I smell activision behind this.

ok, please quote the source of that statement cause i think you ppl are either misunderstanding or just making stuff up now.
have they EVER done that in their previous game? the awnser is no.


I distinctly remember Blizzard saying "You will only need one of the three games to play online, the multiplayer updates will be free.", but I can't for the life of me find any source for that. My guess is that they've been intentionally vague so they could later claim they didn't mean it the way they did. Back then I already thought that this would be too good to be true.

Forcing people to buy three full games to play online sucks quite a bit (And there is a big difference between one full game and an expansion and three full(y priced) games, isn't there?).
Sumwar
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada199 Posts
February 19 2011 17:23 GMT
#204
I don't mind having 3 different ladders but I am confused because they said before you just buy any of the three expansions and you get the multiplayer and the other 2 expansions are just single player. I guess that is different. With this new information I must ask, are the 3 expansions going to be standalone expansions like they were announced? This new information hints towards the expansions not being standalone.
3Form
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom389 Posts
February 19 2011 18:13 GMT
#205
They should do what RELIC do, and patch WoL multiplayer up to HotS...

But no one wants to play the poopy campaign do they... $_$
Lightswarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada966 Posts
February 19 2011 18:19 GMT
#206
On February 20 2011 03:13 3Form wrote:
They should do what RELIC do, and patch WoL multiplayer up to HotS...

But no one wants to play the poopy campaign do they... $_$


hey, i wanna squander my money on hollywood-style campaign and scream like a schoolgirl at the cutscene cinematics...

this is just in my wishlist that never comes true, but i wish blizzard allows u to just buy one of the expansion packs to play online instead of getting all 3.
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 18:46:14
February 19 2011 18:38 GMT
#207
well this is a confirmation that the multiplayer will get content added. Not that something changes for me as i buy the game for the singleplayer :p.

PS: they said at the beginning that you'll only need one copy of the game to go for the multiplayer, but since they had to spread their expansions further away and because people wanted more units in the multiplayer they scrapped this idea (there was no intention for them to add units in the mulitplayer at the beginning). community wanted it community gets it.
Kuroan
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 18:41:29
February 19 2011 18:40 GMT
#208
They will not do a separate ladder for HotS.

Instead, they will allow the new multiplayer units for everyone.

Blizzard is not going to be so stupid to fragment its SCII community into further pieces.
Lipski
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland373 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 18:44:38
February 19 2011 18:43 GMT
#209
Why would anyone expect HotS to be only single-player expansion, and WoL multiplayer be upgraded to HotS level for free?
Blizzard never did this. With WoW, with sc1, with WC3, it's been always the same. You can play the game you bought. Blizzard will still support and patch vanilla game. You will still be able to play WoL multiplayer, but i assume 99% of active player will move to HotS and eventually to LotV

On February 20 2011 03:40 Kuroan wrote:
They will not do a separate ladder for HotS.

Instead, they will allow the new multiplayer units for everyone.

Blizzard is not going to be so stupid to fragment its SCII community into further pieces.


have you ever owned any other blizzard game?
they always do this, i see no reason why they should not.
"i'll just train hard and win the next one"
ICA
Profile Joined January 2011
498 Posts
February 19 2011 18:43 GMT
#210
My bet is that they do it exactly like in WC3 -> separate ladder. Is the only thing that makes sense to me.
Fallen33
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States596 Posts
February 19 2011 18:45 GMT
#211
This might seem like a plot for more money -- and while it basically is -- at the same time you can't really have the same ladder for two seperate games. It's impossible... so this is pretty expected
"Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Mystogun
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States392 Posts
February 19 2011 18:46 GMT
#212
A separate ladder would be cool, but then how are achievements going to work? This sounds lame but I really enjoy getting portraits haha. If we use the same account, will MMR transfer over? Will portraits be different? So many questions D:
"What I'm sayin' is that there are known knowns and there are known unknowns, but there's also unknown unknowns, things that we don't know we don't know." | SC2: NoiSe.730 | LoL: Galladiator
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
February 19 2011 18:50 GMT
#213
about not the same the ladder ... this works in other games already. dawn of war for example, new units are spread via updates like balancing and the only thing you aren't able is play the races that was provided in the expansion, though you can of course play against this race normally. I guess Blizzard wanted to do it like this (without the race adding hehe) but because everyone was we want more units etc. And probably also because a huge amount of people already bought 3 games to play on all regions. Yeah gamers have to much money so everything will get more expensiv :p.
NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 19:06:13
February 19 2011 18:53 GMT
#214
On February 18 2011 13:26 Jotoco wrote:
Blizzard said we wouldn't need to buy all 3 games to play multi-player. Guess Activision got in the way of that.

Way to keep your promises, Blizzard...


First, it's not "all 3 games;" it's always been one game and 2 expansions.

Second, they never said that. Ever. They said that you would be able to play the multiplayer with only WoL. And this doesn't interfere with that.

They never said you'd be able to play multiplayer using stuff from new expansions without buying those expansions. And that's how it has always been. This is how SC1 and Brood War worked. This is how WC3 and TFT worked. And therefore this is how WoL/HotS/LotV work.

The only thing that has changed is that there are 2 expansions instead of just one.

On February 18 2011 15:25 Xapti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 15:15 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote:
That's not true.

It is true. The question is whether they changed that idea or not. Looking at the way the FAQ is answered, it looks like it may have been changed so that they are NOT standalone.


No, they didn't. I was at BlizzCon08 when they announced "The StarCraft Trilogy". At no time did they say that the 3 games were "standalone" or anything of the like. And mere days afterward they explicitly clarified that HotS and LotV were going to be expansions, not standalone products.

But that clarification never got mentioned in the press. No, because during the BC08 presentation, they called them three "products". And thanks to that, people will forever believe that they were intended to be standalone. Even though Blizzard never said it.
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NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 19:06:09
February 19 2011 19:05 GMT
#215
<double post>
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oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 19:11:23
February 19 2011 19:10 GMT
#216
Blizzard has NEVER said that you would need only 1 game for full multiplayer. People should have known how it would have worked... the same as EVERY Blizzard game out there.

People probably were fed misinformation from random message boards.
1-LeeteR
Profile Joined August 2010
United States78 Posts
February 19 2011 19:20 GMT
#217
I swear hots ladder better now be zvz all day everyday....
"i hate people who quote themselves" - me
Eogris
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States148 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 19:30:45
February 19 2011 19:27 GMT
#218
On February 20 2011 03:43 Lipski wrote:
Why would anyone expect HotS to be only single-player expansion, and WoL multiplayer be upgraded to HotS level for free?
Blizzard never did this. With WoW, with sc1, with WC3, it's been always the same. You can play the game you bought. Blizzard will still support and patch vanilla game. You will still be able to play WoL multiplayer, but i assume 99% of active player will move to HotS and eventually to LotV

Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 03:40 Kuroan wrote:
They will not do a separate ladder for HotS.

Instead, they will allow the new multiplayer units for everyone.

Blizzard is not going to be so stupid to fragment its SCII community into further pieces.


have you ever owned any other blizzard game?
they always do this, i see no reason why they should not.

wait a minute, blizzard has done this before?
they first split the RoC game into 5 games with 5 ladders THAN split the frozen throne expansion into 4 games and had 9 total ladders?
they split diablo 2 into 5 games?
this is completely unique from their previous games
THE NUKES GONNA LAND ON HIS ARMYYYYYYYYYYY
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 19:33:25
February 19 2011 19:32 GMT
#219
RoC and TFT are different installments of the same game.

SC1 and BW are different installments of the same game.

WoL, HotS and LotV are different installments of the same game.

Do you really not see how that's the exact same situation?
Hardytack
Profile Joined October 2010
United States25 Posts
February 19 2011 19:35 GMT
#220
This doesn't surprise me at all because they said that they'll be new units on Heart of the Swarm, so it'd be impossible to combine the two ladders. If one person was on Heart of the Swarm, and their opponent was on Wings of Liberty, the person on Heart of the Swarm would have the advantage because of the new units.
"If you don't get mad when you lose, you don't care enough" -EGIdra
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