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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10343 Posts
February 18 2011 20:31 GMT
#161

Just have the expansions be campaign only and all the new units be added to multiplayer?

Then again Blizzard is too greedy to do that...


Do you really expect a "non-greedy" company to do that? Not many people would buy the game just for the campaign.
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xOff
Profile Joined October 2010
United States247 Posts
February 18 2011 20:34 GMT
#162
I think it will have seperate ladder just like starcraft 1/ broodwar...Just cause a new game is released doesnt make it fair to whipe the old ladder for players who dont want to buy the new game.
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Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
February 18 2011 20:40 GMT
#163
Full ladder with both are leading. Really? Did any of you voting that thought that through?
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Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
February 18 2011 20:43 GMT
#164
On February 19 2011 00:05 Escapist wrote:
Just wondering what will it be of the tournament scene? we will get pro gamers specialized on a single ladder expansion? kinda strange imo and doesnt suit the organization we currently have, since i cant imagine top pro-gamers transitioning expansions because blizzard decided to split the game in pieces.

Would like it to be a single ladder for everyone so we dont get more balance discussions and comparisons between players that are top on each expansion for the rest of our lives.

Also attending to how deep and delicate it is to bring new patches into the current game, i can only imagine having to patch 3 different games looking for the best balance possible on each of them.

Peace.


It'll be handled by the community the same way it is for every single game with an expansion pack... everyone will move onto the latest version of the game.
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Shadrak
Profile Joined August 2010
United States490 Posts
February 18 2011 20:45 GMT
#165
Seperate ladder makes sense to me. They can't simply remove the ladder from the original game which people already paid for, but the game will change so much with an expo that you can't compare the two any more.

On February 19 2011 05:40 Ownos wrote:
Full ladder with both are leading. Really? Did any of you voting that thought that through?


I have to ask based on your name, you didn't happen to play an old Half Life mod called Natural Selection did you? It was basically Starcraft meets FPS.
Panicc
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany163 Posts
February 18 2011 20:45 GMT
#166
Mods pls bann users for insulting blizzard...
Keitzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2509 Posts
February 18 2011 20:51 GMT
#167
it worked in the past.... it'll work now....
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-miDnight-
Profile Joined September 2010
Taiwan455 Posts
February 18 2011 21:22 GMT
#168
WTF
Does it mean when the Hots release, we still need to buy it for new unite in ladder and 1v1???
I through when they said that the expandsions will only have single player, and Wol will have free update. isn't that what they said???!!!!!

I dont care if I will have spent $180 for 3 expandsion. But I do care if Blizzard eat their own word.
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Striding Strider
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom787 Posts
February 18 2011 21:24 GMT
#169
On February 19 2011 06:22 miDnight_SC wrote:
I through when they said that the expandsions will only have single player, and Wol will have free update. isn't that what they said???!!!!!


Yes.

Dumb move. I smell activision behind this.
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Alphaes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States651 Posts
February 18 2011 21:26 GMT
#170
On February 19 2011 06:22 miDnight_SC wrote:
WTF
Does it mean when the Hots release, we still need to buy it for new unite in ladder and 1v1???
I through when they said that the expandsions will only have single player, and Wol will have free update. isn't that what they said???!!!!!

I dont care if I will have spent $180 for 3 expandsion. But I do care if Blizzard eat their own word.


Well, I don't think they've ever actually said that, and they've never done once in the past. It wouldn't make sense for them in a business perspective, since most people see the multi-player as the more valuable aspect in the long run.
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MementoMori
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada419 Posts
February 18 2011 21:30 GMT
#171
On February 18 2011 13:26 Jotoco wrote:
Blizzard said we wouldn't need to buy all 3 games to play multi-player. Guess Activision got in the way of that.

Way to keep your promises, Blizzard...

I would buy HoTS anyway, since I main zerg. But I'm not sure I want LotV, since I really dislike playing protoss. The problem is that if I want to keep playing ladder with any meaningful amount of people and stuff.

I accept this if even people who DIDN'T buy the expansion can still ladder there.


???? I just don't understand. If there's any new units or changes to multiplayer how are they not going to have separate ladders? It wouldn't be fair to do it any other way. Honestly people complain about everything Blizzard does. This doesn't even make sense.
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Everize
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland176 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 21:31:30
February 18 2011 21:30 GMT
#172
This is really said considering blizzard is making this more likely for money rather than anything else, they should balance this game out better rather then leaving this game with not as great balance as it should be and adding another expansion probably 60$ again for another game as it looks. Forcing most pro gamers into buying expansion and most fans that follow the current game because everybody will probably move on, unless there is something I'm not aware of like HotS being just separate campaign. So it will be a matter of time as everybody moves on from this game to another facing more problems, especially on higher level with people trying to adapt to the new units and get used to it. For me it just seems like it goes down the toilet and blizzard just makes more money.
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Mercadia
Profile Joined December 2010
United States257 Posts
February 18 2011 21:31 GMT
#173
"Dustin also stated that there are plans to release a bunch of new maps for the multiplayer experience that will address a lot of issues that fans have raised with the current map pool. These maps, he said, will hopefully be added within the next few weeks. "

This is very exciting^^ Even though I'm a Terran and benefit from many of the current maps, I just want something new already.
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
February 18 2011 21:36 GMT
#174
wtf they clearly stated before the players in WoL would experience the same as HotS
Grummler
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany743 Posts
February 18 2011 21:50 GMT
#175
On February 19 2011 06:36 Leeoku wrote:
wtf they clearly stated before the players in WoL would experience the same as HotS


Then there is no need for HotS at all.
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Jimmeh
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom908 Posts
February 18 2011 22:09 GMT
#176
On February 19 2011 05:31 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Show nested quote +

Just have the expansions be campaign only and all the new units be added to multiplayer?

Then again Blizzard is too greedy to do that...


Do you really expect a "non-greedy" company to do that? Not many people would buy the game just for the campaign.


Relic basically did it with Dawn of War 2. When Chaos Rising was released, owners of the original got the new units for the original races, they just missed out on 1 new race and the campaign.
Spawkuring
Profile Joined July 2008
United States755 Posts
February 18 2011 22:14 GMT
#177
On February 19 2011 03:29 Turgid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 21:54 SpoR wrote:
On February 18 2011 13:40 Turgid wrote:
Historically, it hasn't been the case that the release of new ladders(or areas, in the case of WoW) has significantly cut into the playing population. WoW has actually gotten pretty expensive and their battle chest system is pretty bad(it never includes the most recent expansion) but I imagine some time after LoV is released the package you will be able to buy will include both expansions.

But yes, historically, people have just bought the expansion and moved on. I remember playing a little bit of Vanilla hardcore D2(by choice) a couple years after the release of LoD and there being a fun little 10 person community. They all owned LoD they just wanted to play with the smaller community.

edit:

On February 18 2011 13:26 Jotoco wrote:
Blizzard said we wouldn't need to buy all 3 games to play multi-player. Guess Activision got in the way of that.

Way to keep your promises, Blizzard...


Yeah, how dare they keep the exact same system from every other game with expansions they've ever released.

it's possible that you don't need to buy the game, just some DLC.


I'm sure it'll cost the same either way. I'm not too worried about it, even if it turns out to be $60. I'm just kind of perusing this thread with bewilderment that there were people who are somehow surprised or angry that this is what's happening, considering that there has never been anything different. Imagine if I went to the same restaurant 9 times in a row, and I disliked the food each time. Now imagine I came back to that same restaurant a tenth time, disliked the food for the exact same reasons, and in the exact same way, but this time, I screamed about the restaurant's new ownership. Bobby Kotick ruined my beef flambe! How insane would that be?


The primary reason for the complaints is because of the competition. More and more we're seeing PC games move away from the traditional $50/60 retail price. Steam for example constantly has games on sale for $30 or less, and other RTS games like Dawn of War 2 use standalone expansions which new players can buy and be up-to-date. DoW2 is also pretty cheap as well (retailed for $40, now the price is down to $30 with the first expansion costing $20). I can imagine that it might be harder to get money-conscious friends to buy SC2 over DoW2 simply because of the price. You can buy the latest DoW2 expansion for $30 and be completely caught up without having to buy anything else, whereas a person new to SC2 will have to spend at least $140 to be up-to-date once the expansions come out, and that's not even counting the microtransactions and whatever extra fees are put in.

The way PC games are priced is changing with the times, yet Blizzard is not, and that's why people are no longer all that happy with Blizzard sticking to their price model.
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
February 18 2011 22:17 GMT
#178
On February 18 2011 15:33 DeltruS wrote:
I can't believe people are complaining about the community being fractured. EVERYONE will be on HoTS servers, just like with games like WoW. The expansion wont cost much and anyone who is on TL will buy it.



Ok, if its going to be like you say, an expansion. Than I change my stance 100%. Yes the competitive community will switch to HoTS. But, if it ends up being 3 seperate full priced games, each with seperate ladders than Im not ok with that. But I really hope and thnk itll be like you say.
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Befree
Profile Joined April 2010
695 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 22:27:32
February 18 2011 22:26 GMT
#179
I can't imagine a reason why they would not have a new separate ladder. I assume people must either be misunderstanding the situation, or just haven't thought it through.

Edit: Brood War and The Frozen Throne are pretty good examples of this system.
UruzuNine
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada162 Posts
February 18 2011 23:36 GMT
#180
Did people not actually read the full GamesOnNet interview (click the link at the bottom of the GosuGamers re-post to go to it)? Dustin Browder made it pretty clear that there would be separate, fully-functioning ladders for each, just like how there were for SC1/BW and WC3/TFT.

I'm not even sure why there's a poll, considering the poll was answered by Browder. Here's what everyone's looking for:

games.on.net: Blizzard is no doubt ramping up development on Heart of the Swarm. Can you clarify for us how players of Wings of Liberty will be affected by the changes, especially in the multiplayer arena - if they don't purchase the next installment of the game, will they be ranked separately so as not to cause balance issues with any new units, for example?

Dustin: Woo! Yes, this is something we’ve dealt with a couple of times before, we had this problem in Brood War, we had this problem in Warcraft III and then Frozen Throne. Our current plan is to use the same solution we had for those products. There will be separate ladders, if you choose not to upgrade and continue forward with Heart of the Swarm that’s totally your option, your ladder will still work and you’ll be matched against people who are playing the same game that you’ll be playing. We’ll still be watching the balance for you in that area and making sure you’re having a balanced experience, we’ll still be rolling new maps to that part of the game, so it will continue forward like any other Blizzard product. Those of us who do come forward to Heart of the Swarm will have their own ladders, their own maps, their own ranking, all of that stuff. It’ll effectively split off - if you come with us, you’ll be playing the new stuff, if you don’t decide to come with us that’s totally cool, we’ll keep you with the old stuff and you won’t have to deal with new units or balance problems or anything like that.

I get that Blizzard haters will be Blizzard haters, but is it so much to ask that people actually know what they're talking about?
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