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On February 20 2011 07:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 07:28 Assirra wrote:On February 20 2011 07:14 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Theyre using the same trick they used in wow. "You dont have to buy the expansion, you can still play the normal version " and with normal i mean old, and with play i mean alone. So yeah, basically you will have to buy it. How is it a trick? you rather want no updates for the multiplayer at all? oh no, you want free unit updates in a game wich is clearly focused on multiplayer. Its not like they shut down the WOL servers is it? zomg i need to spend money for new content, wuts this?! Do you really think that no updates is the only alternative to this? It used to be standart to have new content and updates for free, just like it used to be standart to have a game released that was working with only few bugs. Nowadays its all about making money, which is understandable as blizzard is just another company as well. Valve shows that it is possible to make a good living out of selling games without constantly pressuring to buy expansions ( cs source or tf2 ). Are you really making fun of me because Im find it unacceptable to be forced like this?
It also used to be standard to have 8 bit graphics.
It also used to be standard to be unable to fix a game once released if it had bugs.
It also used to be standard to only have a single player campaign.
Content can't always be provided for free you know, it costs MONEY to develop that content. Do you understand that new content requires paid employees to develop? It's perfectly reasonable to charge for it to cover those costs and even *gasp* profit from that provided content. Just as it's perfectly reasonable to spend your money elsewhere if you're not happy with the new content.
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On February 20 2011 09:21 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 07:37 Kleinmuuhg wrote:On February 20 2011 07:28 Assirra wrote:On February 20 2011 07:14 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Theyre using the same trick they used in wow. "You dont have to buy the expansion, you can still play the normal version " and with normal i mean old, and with play i mean alone. So yeah, basically you will have to buy it. How is it a trick? you rather want no updates for the multiplayer at all? oh no, you want free unit updates in a game wich is clearly focused on multiplayer. Its not like they shut down the WOL servers is it? zomg i need to spend money for new content, wuts this?! Do you really think that no updates is the only alternative to this? It used to be standart to have new content and updates for free, just like it used to be standart to have a game released that was working with only few bugs. Nowadays its all about making money, which is understandable as blizzard is just another company as well. Valve shows that it is possible to make a good living out of selling games without constantly pressuring to buy expansions ( cs source or tf2 ). Are you really making fun of me because Im find it unacceptable to be forced like this? It also used to be standard to have 8 bit graphics. It also used to be standard to be unable to fix a game once released if it had bugs. It also used to be standard to only have a single player campaign. Content can't always be provided for free you know, it costs MONEY to develop that content. Do you understand that new content requires paid employees to develop? It's perfectly reasonable to charge for it to cover those costs and even *gasp* profit from that provided content. Just as it's perfectly reasonable to spend your money elsewhere if you're not happy with the new content.
He still hasn't answered what kind of free content he is after, because Blizzard has already provided free content for SC 2 post-release.
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Not really surprising, WoL ladder will be a ghost town, just like oldschool wow content got when new expansions came out. Though why you would want to play WoL when HOTS is out I do not know.
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smart for them because i wouldn't buy HOTS probably anyway otherwise because i don't play Z. at least, i wouldn't buy it right away. but i want the new units. and if the units are any good, you get a new metagame for your money. lol
calling it an expansion is sort of misleading as the campaign will be brand new. lots of games use the same engine (fallout 3, fallout new vegas).
at least we don't have to pay for new maps like in halo, pay to play online like xbox live, and sc isn't riddled with bugs like every obsidian game known to man.
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yeah i swear they said you wouldnt have to buy the expansions to play multiplayer, ah bobby kotick you cheeky bastard...
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Why are we still talking about the separate ladder?
YAWN no surprises there. Personally, the only thing I even noticed in this thread was this:
+ Show Spoiler +Dustin also stated that there are plans to release a bunch of new maps for the multiplayer experience that will address a lot of issues that fans have raised with the current map pool. These maps, he said, will hopefully be added within the next few weeks.
Now that news is HUGE (and awesome).
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On February 21 2011 11:59 SupastaR wrote:
yeah i swear they said you wouldnt have to buy the expansions to play multiplayer, ah bobby kotick you cheeky bastard...
Well, you don't have to buy the expansions. Just keep playing WoL multiplayer if you're cheap.
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On February 20 2011 08:39 megagoten wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 08:35 genius_man16 wrote:On February 20 2011 03:46 [NoiSe] wrote:
A separate ladder would be cool, but then how are achievements going to work? This sounds lame but I really enjoy getting portraits haha. If we use the same account, will MMR transfer over? Will portraits be different? So many questions D: This is the only question I have. Will our PROFILE transfer over? Will we keep our achievement points and portraits? I really hope so. This is the only thing that I would rage over. I'm a bit of an achievement whore and not getting to keep those in the new expansion would be pretty stupid. Although getting an answer in this sea of "omg blizzard is ripping us off! D:" seems unlikely. hopefully blizzard won't chop off our e-peens
I would cry if they did.
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The lack of economic understanding in this thread is baffling.
Do you people think Blizzard are wizards? They form a magic circle and conjure forth a new game with no wages or development costs to be had?
You paid sixty dollars for a game. Do you know what that means? Assuming a Blizzard employee makes around 30 dollars US an hour (which may be a bit low), you have paid for two hours of development.
Two hours. And then you think what, you deserve however much time Blizzard had to invest to make HotS or LoV for free?
I swear. Some of you people are unbelievably daft.
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So is this going to reset the amount of wins on our account? x.x
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The problem with this, no matter what Dustin as always is saying, that in every game Blizzard released so far, balance was based around expansions only.
This means that in HotS will be new units etc., and current units will be changed to maintain balance with HotS units - even in WoL.
So WoL will be inbalanced due to missing units. And everyone will be forced to buy HotS.
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On February 21 2011 11:59 SupastaR wrote:
yeah i swear they said you wouldnt have to buy the expansions to play multiplayer, ah bobby kotick you cheeky bastard...
No they didn't.
Find the quote from BLIZZARD (not some silly site who wants hits) to prove me wrong.
They ALWAYS done it like this so why do ppl suspect anything else now i beyond me.
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On February 22 2011 08:23 Sek-Kuar wrote:
So WoL will be inbalanced due to missing units. And everyone will be forced to buy HotS.
just check how it was done with sc and wc3 and their expansions. vanilla game and expansion always had been balanced separately.
why post when obviously you have no idea what are you talking about?
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On February 22 2011 08:23 Sek-Kuar wrote:
The problem with this, no matter what Dustin as always is saying, that in every game Blizzard released so far, balance was based around expansions only.
This means that in HotS will be new units etc., and current units will be changed to maintain balance with HotS units - even in WoL.
So WoL will be inbalanced due to missing units. And everyone will be forced to buy HotS.
really?
so you like the game enough to keep playing WoL, but you don't like it enough to actually buy the new game?
why are you even worried about balance at all, it's pretty clear it doesn't exactly apply to a player such as yourself anyways if you're not even willing to buy the new expansion
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@chonkyfire: you seem to be someone who dont like reading other ppl posts, yet spam and flame a lot. And at the same time, you have posts count of someone barely doing something - im confused.
Anyway, I havent said I wont buy HotS, I said everyone will have to buy it.
@Lipski: Im sorry, but you are wrong. I was playing every game Blizzard released since D1 (except wow) and always the only difference between patch notes is absence of expansion specific things in original game. And thats about it.
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I do like that.
It is a confirmation that there will be new units, which i feel are really needed, especially for zerg who are quite limited in their variation of gamestyles.
The only problem might be if some dudes do not accept the changes and this ends up in, for example, GSl playing the SC2 Vanilla, NASL playing the HOTS Expansion and some other playing the Protoss Expansion. That would be so ridiculous.
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I dislike the idea, i remember reading somewhere that if you wanted multiplayer you wouldnt need to purchase all three... they ust have changed their minds on that, i figured they would just make the updates for multiplayer in patches etc... like give them in multi all the new unit changes etc... and not the campaign (which ill prolly never touch, only bought sc2 for multiplayer)
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On February 22 2011 09:24 veE wrote:
I dislike the idea, i remember reading somewhere that if you wanted multiplayer you wouldnt need to purchase all three... they ust have changed their minds on that,
They haven't changed their minds, you will still be able to play multiplayer without purchasing either of the expansions. You will be able to play the WoL ladder.
i figured they would just make the updates for multiplayer in patches etc... like give them in multi all the new unit changes etc...
Why in the world would you think that would ever happen?
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On February 18 2011 12:49 G_Wen wrote:http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/news/14646-heart-of-the-swarm-to-have-separate-ladderShow nested quote +Posted by Roy "Phantom" Kwan
In an interview with games.on.net, Dustin Browder has revealed that Heart of the Swarm expansion will have its own ladder for any player upgrading to the expansion.
As with its previous RTS titles, Blizzard's StarCraft 2 will have ladders created for each of its expansions. Dustin Browder recently told games.on.net that as with previous RTS expansions, a new ladder will be created for the Heart of the Swarm. Although there will be a separate ladder for HotS, players will still be able to play the Wings of Liberty ladder without having, 'to deal with new units or balance problems or anything like that,' said Browder.
This will most likely mean that at the end of StarCraft 2's final expansion, there will be a total of three separate ladders for the game. Legacy of the Void is the second expansion for StarCraft 2, there is currently very little information on this expansion.
Dustin also stated that there are plans to release a bunch of new maps for the multiplayer experience that will address a lot of issues that fans have raised with the current map pool. These maps, he said, will hopefully be added within the next few weeks.
Other topics the interview touched on were on StarCraft 2 mod maps. Browder elaborated on the origins of the maps Aiur Chef and StarJeweled. Blizzard DotA was also discussed. 'We’re definitely trying to streamline it, but we’re also definitely trying to make it as competitive, or even more competitive,' says Dustin Browder. mod edit: don't link poll images directly, they expirehttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191526Here's a poll from a previous post on how the ladder will be set up. Personally I'm fine with separate ladders since it gives players the choice to play competitively on either game. Having one global aggregated ladder would be a much needed feature. What're your thoughts on this?
hm?
never played sc1 bw? wc3 tft? it was always this way and will stay that way
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On February 22 2011 09:14 Sek-Kuar wrote:
@chonkyfire: you seem to be someone who dont like reading other ppl posts, yet spam and flame a lot.
i read your one moronic post that made no sense, and I let you know that it made no sense. Don't take it personal.
And at the same time, you have posts count of someone barely doing something - im confused.
lol wtf? look at your post count.
They don't teach how to count very well in the czech republic do they?
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