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On February 18 2011 13:26 Jotoco wrote:
Blizzard said we wouldn't need to buy all 3 games to play multi-player. Guess Activision got in the way of that.
Way to keep your promises, Blizzard...
I would buy HoTS anyway, since I main zerg. But I'm not sure I want LotV, since I really dislike playing protoss. The problem is that if I want to keep playing ladder with any meaningful amount of people and stuff.
I accept this if even people who DIDN'T buy the expansion can still ladder there.
I don't think they will be priced at 60$. Probably more around 40$, and it's not like your just getting a new ladder, your getting all the new units/maps/balance changes.
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To paraphrase iNcontroL: holy shit they're not fucking it all up, instead they're doing something obvious! What a great company!
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In my opinion (which isnt the best by any means) i think they should have a full ladder fir each. Because without it, it almost forces the hardcore players to buy the expansion. id like it to be optional (even though im buying it anyways ;p
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This isnt anything new by Blizzard's history, so it won't really be that bad to get used to.
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On February 18 2011 13:47 Combine wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 13:26 Jotoco wrote:
Blizzard said we wouldn't need to buy all 3 games to play multi-player. Guess Activision got in the way of that.
Way to keep your promises, Blizzard...
I would buy HoTS anyway, since I main zerg. But I'm not sure I want LotV, since I really dislike playing protoss. The problem is that if I want to keep playing ladder with any meaningful amount of people and stuff.
I accept this if even people who DIDN'T buy the expansion can still ladder there. I don't think they will be priced at 60$. Probably more around 40$, and it's not like your just getting a new ladder, your getting all the new units/maps/balance changes.
Why do you think they'll be $40? They're going to be separate, full-size games for full price. HotS is going to have its own giant campaign just like WoL. They've already said this over and over.
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Totally makes sense.
This actually creates really unique opportunities for different types of players it seems. :o
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On February 18 2011 13:26 Jotoco wrote:
I would buy HoTS anyway, since I main zerg. But I'm not sure I want LotV, since I really dislike playing protoss. The problem is that if I want to keep playing ladder with any meaningful amount of people and stuff.
I accept this if even people who DIDN'T buy the expansion can still ladder there.
It's not like you are required to play the campaign before you can play multiplayer...
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On February 18 2011 14:02 251 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 13:47 Combine wrote:On February 18 2011 13:26 Jotoco wrote:
Blizzard said we wouldn't need to buy all 3 games to play multi-player. Guess Activision got in the way of that.
Way to keep your promises, Blizzard...
I would buy HoTS anyway, since I main zerg. But I'm not sure I want LotV, since I really dislike playing protoss. The problem is that if I want to keep playing ladder with any meaningful amount of people and stuff.
I accept this if even people who DIDN'T buy the expansion can still ladder there. I don't think they will be priced at 60$. Probably more around 40$, and it's not like your just getting a new ladder, your getting all the new units/maps/balance changes. Why do you think they'll be $40? They're going to be separate, full-size games for full price. HotS is going to have its own giant campaign just like WoL. They've already said this over and over.
They are using the campaign editor to make additional content only. When SC2 came out they had cover the expenses of creating the actual game and not just the actual content, like the game engine, creation of tools to be used to make the game etc. This is no longer needed so the actual cost of simply adding content to an already working game is much much more cheaper thus the price will be drastically reduced compared to the actual game that was released before the expansion.
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On February 18 2011 14:02 251 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 13:47 Combine wrote:On February 18 2011 13:26 Jotoco wrote:
Blizzard said we wouldn't need to buy all 3 games to play multi-player. Guess Activision got in the way of that.
Way to keep your promises, Blizzard...
I would buy HoTS anyway, since I main zerg. But I'm not sure I want LotV, since I really dislike playing protoss. The problem is that if I want to keep playing ladder with any meaningful amount of people and stuff.
I accept this if even people who DIDN'T buy the expansion can still ladder there. I don't think they will be priced at 60$. Probably more around 40$, and it's not like your just getting a new ladder, your getting all the new units/maps/balance changes. Why do you think they'll be $40? They're going to be separate, full-size games for full price. HotS is going to have its own giant campaign just like WoL. They've already said this over and over.
They are referring them to as expansions now, and they always price their expansions around the same. There hasn't been an official ruling on 60$ for the last 2 games, even on their site it says the pricing is still in the air but will be priced appropriately. Expansions cost less to make, they already have the engine and everything, they are just adding onto it.
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On February 18 2011 14:10 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 14:02 251 wrote:On February 18 2011 13:47 Combine wrote:On February 18 2011 13:26 Jotoco wrote:
Blizzard said we wouldn't need to buy all 3 games to play multi-player. Guess Activision got in the way of that.
Way to keep your promises, Blizzard...
I would buy HoTS anyway, since I main zerg. But I'm not sure I want LotV, since I really dislike playing protoss. The problem is that if I want to keep playing ladder with any meaningful amount of people and stuff.
I accept this if even people who DIDN'T buy the expansion can still ladder there. I don't think they will be priced at 60$. Probably more around 40$, and it's not like your just getting a new ladder, your getting all the new units/maps/balance changes. Why do you think they'll be $40? They're going to be separate, full-size games for full price. HotS is going to have its own giant campaign just like WoL. They've already said this over and over. They are using the campaign editor to make additional content only. When SC2 came out they had cover the expenses of creating the actual game and not just the actual content, like the game engine, creation of tools to be used to make the game etc. This is no longer needed so the actual cost of simply adding content to an already working game is much much more cheaper thus the price will be drastically reduced compared to the actual game that was released before the expansion.
so by that logic any game that uses a preexisting game engine, like CoD, should cost only 10 bucks because it was built on the quake 3 engine and all they had to do was make maps and shit? and record voices? and make new character models? and advertise and do all sorts of business stuff?
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On February 18 2011 12:57 holy_war wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 12:54 tsuxiit wrote:
It definitely makes the most sense, much more than having one ladder for both games anyway. I'm sure it will be as much of a ghost town as the RoC ladder or whatever. But I mean that makes sense. Definitely. I don't see how it is possible to combine both ladders when you have new units/mechanics/maps involved.
Don't worry heart of the swarm will add units to every race, cept zerg. Zerg will get T3 upgrades.
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Oh man I wasn't gonna buy the game, now I have too :C
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On February 18 2011 14:15 rauk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 14:10 Integra wrote:On February 18 2011 14:02 251 wrote:On February 18 2011 13:47 Combine wrote:On February 18 2011 13:26 Jotoco wrote:
Blizzard said we wouldn't need to buy all 3 games to play multi-player. Guess Activision got in the way of that.
Way to keep your promises, Blizzard...
I would buy HoTS anyway, since I main zerg. But I'm not sure I want LotV, since I really dislike playing protoss. The problem is that if I want to keep playing ladder with any meaningful amount of people and stuff.
I accept this if even people who DIDN'T buy the expansion can still ladder there. I don't think they will be priced at 60$. Probably more around 40$, and it's not like your just getting a new ladder, your getting all the new units/maps/balance changes. Why do you think they'll be $40? They're going to be separate, full-size games for full price. HotS is going to have its own giant campaign just like WoL. They've already said this over and over. They are using the campaign editor to make additional content only. When SC2 came out they had cover the expenses of creating the actual game and not just the actual content, like the game engine, creation of tools to be used to make the game etc. This is no longer needed so the actual cost of simply adding content to an already working game is much much more cheaper thus the price will be drastically reduced compared to the actual game that was released before the expansion. so by that logic any game that uses a preexisting game engine, like CoD, should cost only 10 bucks because it was built on the quake 3 engine and all they had to do was make maps and shit? and record voices? and make new character models? and advertise and do all sorts of business stuff?
No one ever said it would only cost 10 bucks, most people speculated it would cost 40 bucks.
And yes, since the cost for creating the actual game is out of the picture it becomes much cheaper compared to if you had to both content creation and game creation. You also have to understand that you cannot compare game genres when it comes to prices. Certain genres are easier to add content too. It also depends on the company. How much effort they put into making the game easy to expand.
In Blizzards case they already had before creating SC2 to make alteast 3 more expansions. With that in mind it would make sense to focus allot on creation of tools to easily expand the games content with minimum cost since it ensures reduced production cost with means cheaper expansions for the consumer which means more copys sold and more SC2 games being played with the expansion.
Just look at the editor that came with SC2. people are making FPS and MMORPG games in it for gods sake. Creating content for Sc2 is extremely easy and cheap.
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This means new units will be added to each race. I am in favor of this... 
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My question is what ladder will future GSL be played on?
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im predicting that people will immediately play on the new HotS ladder, complain about imbas, then go back to the "fixed" WoL ladder and play until they decide that blizzard has got their stuff together.
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Here's what's actually going to happen:
My name's Jimmy. Blizzard releases a new expansion. Well, I heard from Timmy that this new expansion sucks so I'm just going to keep WoL. It's way more balanced and stuff! Blizzard patches WoL to have all the changes of the expansion but not the new units, thus destroying the balance of the old game. There is no longer a reason to play WoL ladder at all. Me and Timmy are gonna buy the new expansion cause WoL ladder sucks!
References: Diablo 2, Warcraft 3, WoW
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On February 18 2011 14:35 bearhug wrote:
My question is what ladder will future GSL be played on?
Unless the expansion absolutely sucks it should be obvious that the competitive scene will move over to it.
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On February 18 2011 14:22 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 14:15 rauk wrote:On February 18 2011 14:10 Integra wrote:On February 18 2011 14:02 251 wrote:On February 18 2011 13:47 Combine wrote:On February 18 2011 13:26 Jotoco wrote:
Blizzard said we wouldn't need to buy all 3 games to play multi-player. Guess Activision got in the way of that.
Way to keep your promises, Blizzard...
I would buy HoTS anyway, since I main zerg. But I'm not sure I want LotV, since I really dislike playing protoss. The problem is that if I want to keep playing ladder with any meaningful amount of people and stuff.
I accept this if even people who DIDN'T buy the expansion can still ladder there. I don't think they will be priced at 60$. Probably more around 40$, and it's not like your just getting a new ladder, your getting all the new units/maps/balance changes. Why do you think they'll be $40? They're going to be separate, full-size games for full price. HotS is going to have its own giant campaign just like WoL. They've already said this over and over. They are using the campaign editor to make additional content only. When SC2 came out they had cover the expenses of creating the actual game and not just the actual content, like the game engine, creation of tools to be used to make the game etc. This is no longer needed so the actual cost of simply adding content to an already working game is much much more cheaper thus the price will be drastically reduced compared to the actual game that was released before the expansion. so by that logic any game that uses a preexisting game engine, like CoD, should cost only 10 bucks because it was built on the quake 3 engine and all they had to do was make maps and shit? and record voices? and make new character models? and advertise and do all sorts of business stuff? No one ever said it would only cost 10 bucks, most people speculated it would cost 40 bucks. And yes, since the cost for creating the actual game is out of the picture it becomes much cheaper compared to if you had to both content creation and game creation. You also have to understand that you cannot compare game genres when it comes to prices. Certain genres are easier to add content too. It also depends on the company. How much effort they put into making the game easy to expand. In Blizzards case they already had before creating SC2 to make alteast 3 more expansions. With that in mind it would make sense to focus allot on creation of tools to easily expand the games content with minimum cost since it ensures reduced production cost with means cheaper expansions for the consumer which means more copys sold and more SC2 games being played with the expansion. Just look at the editor that came with SC2. people are making FPS and MMORPG games in it for gods sake. Creating content for Sc2 is extremely easy and cheap.
you can't seriously use fan mods as an example for why a new game should be signficantly cheaper. look at natural selection or counterstrike, they're total conversions based on half life. creating content for half life is therefore "extremely easy and cheap." DOTA is only made in the wc3 map editor. therefore hon and dota2 should be cheap, all the content is even pre-created, they're just slapping new names on heroes and spells!
what about commercial game engines? idtech3 has been used for countless games; same for UE2 and UE3. are you going to argue that gears of war shouldn't cost 60 dollars because it just uses UE3?
expansions have been typically cheaper because they reuse art content and are much shorter. just to use LOD for example; 2 new classes and 1 act, compared to the original 4 acts and 5 classes. or AOE2 expansions had just a few campaigns. HOTS and LOTV appear to be entire full-length games in their own right, they just happen to reuse some or most of the units from WOL.
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This isn't too surprising. They just created a separate BW record account and kept Vanilla separate back then as well.
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