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escobari
Profile Joined July 2010
Finland192 Posts
February 07 2011 19:09 GMT
#61
Honestly I think first of all carmac needs to fix his additude first, no arguing/whining with the guy who's trying to teach you, no matter how stressful the situation is.
resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
February 07 2011 19:09 GMT
#62
I think one of the problems is that being a non-active-player who watching pros play, Carmac knows what to do like:

"ok I need stalkers and obs against his mass banshee"

But the reality is the guy he is playing has no clue what he is doing, so he is doing REALLY weird stuff like building 15 turrets which is a strange hard counter to observers.

Socke Fighting!!!!
HuskyGoalie
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany42 Posts
February 07 2011 19:11 GMT
#63
I have no idea who has a harder job:
djWHEAT practising miniWHEAT or Rotti practising Carmac.

Good fun to watch though and good luck in the upcoming episodes Michal!
knL
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany400 Posts
February 07 2011 19:11 GMT
#64
I hope Carmac isnt to hard on himself. He needs to accept that he knows nothing and blindly believe in rottis words. If hes motivated and willing to learn there will be no problems. Oh and Carmac get used to loose 50% of your games...
bLooD.
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany470 Posts
February 07 2011 19:11 GMT
#65
Great Show. Very entertaining. I think Rotti will get him into masters in about 1 week.
bbsss
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands163 Posts
February 07 2011 19:13 GMT
#66
yeassss premium stream ftwwwww :D:DD:
Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
February 07 2011 19:14 GMT
#67
On February 08 2011 04:11 knL wrote:
Oh and Carmac get used to loose 50% of your games...


But if he loses 50% of his games he will remain Bronze League forever ^^

His biggest problem right now is that he doesn't use hotkeys at all. Imo he should fix this first (considering he roughly knows how to play the game in theory).
Member of TPW mapmaking team/// twitter.com/Ragoo_ /// "goody represents border between explainable reason and supernatural" Cloud
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
February 07 2011 19:14 GMT
#68
I think maybe that's the point of this show. If Carmac is that accepting, that will be boring / too similar to day9 daily. Like he will listen to everything Rotti says and will do it and slowly but surely advance. That's too typical.

I am guessing this show is meant to be more about the person /interaction between Carmac and Rotti. And i think sooner or later Rotti/ Carmac will explode and things become tense between them. In fact, i see similarities with Hyungjoon show that it isn't so much about him becoming good, it's about his interaction with people around him.

Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
February 07 2011 19:15 GMT
#69
Best of luck to you Carmac!!! if you want a tip, work on your machenics :p
Always look on the bright side of life
R3m3mb3rM3
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany954 Posts
February 07 2011 19:16 GMT
#70
carmac should really give apm spam a shot
helps you to move much faster for the start and multitasking

being quick is a good basis for improveing

anyhow
laughed so much today
thank you for that xD
Scarmony
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany98 Posts
February 07 2011 19:17 GMT
#71
I really liked the idea of the show, and i thought it had real potential, but it turned out that it was just total garbage. rotti showed no enthusiasm at all (which is very unusual for him, i usually really enjoy his casting) and carmac showing how to split probes to start the show- totally out of place.

Carmac even showed some BM towards Rotti, totally useless aswell, because the coaching is the essence of the show, right? I understand that its hard to talk, listen and play at the same time, but it really looked like the guys didnt even prepare anything and just started playing.

if u want to start from NOTHING (like miniwheat is doing) get someone who has never heard about the game and really teach him from the start. even though carmac apparently doesnt even knows the hotkeys and basic mechanics of the game, he still pretends to have some knowledge which is very annoying aswell.

I'll propably watch it once more, but if you dont manage to improve drastically (or atleast add some entertainment value- maybe in the form of joe trying to do some 'pro commentating' while rotti is seperately coaching carmac without the audience hearing about it) im not going to watch the show any longer.
snafulator
Profile Joined January 2011
Antigua/Barbuda72 Posts
February 07 2011 19:21 GMT
#72
On February 08 2011 04:09 escobari wrote:
Honestly I think first of all carmac needs to fix his additude first, no arguing/whining with the guy who's trying to teach you, no matter how stressful the situation is.

this

he should learn whos the teacher
PeaNuT_T
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden326 Posts
February 07 2011 19:22 GMT
#73
Will there be vods for this?
iNcontrol, IdrA,Lz, Strifecro, Axslav, Machine, Demuslim! EG Fighting!!!~~
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
February 07 2011 19:22 GMT
#74
So this is like miniwheat learns to be a progamer

except instead of a cute 5 year old we have carmac XD
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RevRich
Profile Joined February 2011
United States218 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-07 19:34:17
February 07 2011 19:33 GMT
#75
On February 08 2011 04:17 Scarmony wrote:
I really liked the idea of the show, and i thought it had real potential, but it turned out that it was just total garbage. rotti showed no enthusiasm at all (which is very unusual for him, i usually really enjoy his casting) and carmac showing how to split probes to start the show- totally out of place.

Carmac even showed some BM towards Rotti, totally useless aswell, because the coaching is the essence of the show, right? I understand that its hard to talk, listen and play at the same time, but it really looked like the guys didnt even prepare anything and just started playing.

if u want to start from NOTHING (like miniwheat is doing) get someone who has never heard about the game and really teach him from the start. even though carmac apparently doesnt even knows the hotkeys and basic mechanics of the game, he still pretends to have some knowledge which is very annoying aswell.

I'll propably watch it once more, but if you dont manage to improve drastically (or atleast add some entertainment value- maybe in the form of joe trying to do some 'pro commentating' while rotti is seperately coaching carmac without the audience hearing about it) im not going to watch the show any longer.


This is how I feel as well. The first segment with the worker splitting and how to count workers seemed painfully out of place. The rest was pretty funny with the achievements and Carmac's overall bad attitude. Hopefully we actually see some improvement and *real* coaching in the future episodes. We can't be too hard on them, they did say this was an introductory episode and things will be vastly different moving forward.
HuskyGoalie
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany42 Posts
February 07 2011 19:41 GMT
#76
I think the concept and the show itself is pretty good, but as we are lucky to have some kind of interactive show here I just want to say some things they are probably reading:

We have seen that Carmac is truly a bronze player at the moment. No shame. The show is all about getting a bronze player into masters and becoming a badass SC2 player. Anyways in my opinion that should also be the way Rotti has to practise Carmac. It should be more like "step-by-step" and not throwing in a lot of pretty good ideas (Blink, High Templar and Feedback, etc.) which was obviously too hard to execute for Carmac. And therefore his game was affected in a bad way and that was probably why he asked him to stay quiet.

That slightly ruined the show towards the end in my opinion. I think it would be better if Rotterdam only reminds Carmac to do things to achieve his gameplan. Especially the essential things like building probes, building pylons, checking money, checking minimap. I think it's way better for Carmac to do ingame decision by himself and afterwards it would be time for Rotterdam to play out all his knowledge. I think you are learning way better between matches. Not only Carmac also all the viewers out there.

I don't wanna be negative or say that the show was bad. I'm just hoping that one of them is reading and maybe picking up some ideas from viewers. For the next time I'd like to see Carmac going into the game with a specific gameplan (like rely on a lot of gateway units + collossos or sth.). Therefore he tries to execute that one as good as possible with small help from Rotterdam and after that it would be interesting to hear the decision making and argumentation by Rotti himself.

Just my 2 cents, looking forward to the next show and cheers to both of you!
See you CeBIT. o/

MitternachtEVE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States20 Posts
February 07 2011 19:43 GMT
#77
This was a great idea for a show but Carmac needs to be willing to learn. I rage every now and then too but an hour long show is most about a guy telling his coach to shut up so he can focus, it's worthless in my eyes. Same thing happen on Incontrols stream the other day where a Zerg would not play again banelings cause he was terrible at them so he stop himself from learning.

Quick notes: Relax and have fun so the audience is having fun, you will get to master league if your getting constantly coached and LISTENING to it. But a bit of rage humor is always welcomed
"LOOK OUT!!"
Carmac
Profile Joined August 2007
Poland375 Posts
February 07 2011 20:24 GMT
#78
Guys,

Thanks for the feedback. I would like to say a few things on my not taking advice:

a) I am a low level player and it's hard enough to focus when you have three bases.
b) I would rather tallk about my mistakes after the game. Blindly executing orders does not give you an understanding of WHY I should do one thing or another.

We are both doing the show kind of "on the side" right now, which is why the opening part was not as good as it will be next week. Next week we will have instructional videos and so on.

As for the show in general - it's going to evolve and we're going to make damn sure that it will be better every single week. We're also working on our chemistry together - the next shows will be smoother, I think.

Anyway, thanks for tuning in, thanks for the feedback and be ready to be surprised next week, because I will be way, way better!
www.intelextrememasters.com
Silan
Profile Joined January 2010
Denmark198 Posts
February 07 2011 20:59 GMT
#79
Any ETA and url for VODs?
Life is one crushing defeat after another until you just wish flanders was dead. - Homer
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
February 07 2011 21:03 GMT
#80
On February 08 2011 05:24 Carmac wrote:
Guys,

Thanks for the feedback. I would like to say a few things on my not taking advice:

a) I am a low level player and it's hard enough to focus when you have three bases.
b) I would rather tallk about my mistakes after the game. Blindly executing orders does not give you an understanding of WHY I should do one thing or another.

We are both doing the show kind of "on the side" right now, which is why the opening part was not as good as it will be next week. Next week we will have instructional videos and so on.

As for the show in general - it's going to evolve and we're going to make damn sure that it will be better every single week. We're also working on our chemistry together - the next shows will be smoother, I think.

Anyway, thanks for tuning in, thanks for the feedback and be ready to be surprised next week, because I will be way, way better!


show was amazing Carmac, i hope you and Rotterdam continue to bea hillarious duo =)

gratz on the 2 achievement
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
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