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I am fluent in both Starcraft and Chess and very muchily enjoy expressing myself through both games  I will begin a deep analysis of the similar concepts purveyed in both games that may be beneficial for loyal readers.
Openings
In Chess there are various openings: e.g. The King's Indian, The Sicilian Defence. Chess openings are generally adapted based on your opponents moves. Certain openings are more effective and offer positional advantage over other openings.
In Starcraft it is very similar, a plethora of openings are available to you, perhaps not as many as the 20 in Chess but the Adaptation based on Scouting and Opening advantages are very apparent. Especially in Mirror Matchups like ZvZ.
15 hatch > 14 gas 14 pool > 10 bling before pool > 15 hatch.
However these openings are generally done blind while in Chess you can see your opponents moves.
Styles
In Chess there are various styles: Creative play involving aggression and risks (perhaps less common at very high levels) or a very defensive passive style involving establishing an advantage in the late game.
When i play Chess against Scrubs i like to trade pieces as i feel confident moving into the end game that i can win. I rarely think of thought out checkmates and prefer to play a solid style without risk aiming to get a small pawn advantage.
Other plays are very offensive and aim to get Checkmates. (In professional Chess, most games are draws but the styles still apply)
In Starcraft there are cheesy styles or solid macro styles. In Chess pure Offense does not work if your opponent is prepared and this is the same with Cheese in Starcraft. This is not to say that Grandmasters cannot checkmate using forced sequences of moves.
Professional Players ( Foreigners Onli)
Naniwa = Magnus Carlsen
Magnus Carlsen is currently #1 in the FIDE rating just like Naniwa had #1 on the ladder before. Naniwa is also extremely innovative, as is Carlsen who defeated Spike Ernst with an Epaulette mate at the age of 14.
IdRa= Gary Kasparov
Gary Kasparov has the highest FIDE rating known to mankind and although losing to an Android has met Grubby irl and is considered one of if not the best of all time. Idra is generally considered hte best foreigner and also knows Grubby (teammates in EG)
Drewbiw= Vladmir Kramnik
Vladmir Kramnik is also arguably Drew. Kramnik has a very tentative, pragmatic, safe style meaning he loses very few games. Obvious similarities to Drewbiwe.
Sjow=Lasker
Both are really creative imaginative players 
Ret= Ivanchuk
Both go to the gym and are very talented players Also both very confident risk takers and dangermen.
Any other Similies i would appreciate as well as further Analysis
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like the change from idra/vlad to drewbie/vlad thought it was more fitting
nice comparisons
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Carlsen was 12 when he beat ernst
anyway, I started playing chess about 2-3 years ago, and right away I realized that they are very similar games. Chess captivated me so easily... It's not wonder a chess thread pops up on teamliquid often ^ ^
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Lame... Comparing Kasparov to Idra... Idra would be some Down Syndrome, Aspergers kid who's memorised 1000 Chess openings and hence 'knows" the game. (Which is equivalent to the way he approaches SC2).
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pretty cool comparisons, I have a few questions though:
Could you elaborate on Kasparov meeting Grubby? Did they actually play wc3 or chess?
Also is there anything considered "cheese" in chess?
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There isnt really anything that can be considered cheese since you can see all there move. It like cheesing against someone that is map hacking lol. If they are knowledgable and have common sense, then they can easily defend it and take advantage of it. A good example is the 4 MOVE Check mate. Pretty much a cheese if you dont know how to defend it and the opening is pretty all in cause it leave you pretty open and there arent very good variations from it afterward. Basically, its like a 6 Pool and if stopped, you dont really have much of a follow up.
Im surprise you did not consider choosing a race an "opening" it self. I always choosing a race as a way to signify your play style and is also itself, an opening.
I have always considered Castling to be the equivalent to Expanding. Such as the King indian attack could be consider a 1 rax FE or a 1 gate FE variation :3
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On February 05 2011 09:35 nihoh wrote:
Lame... Comparing Kasparov to Idra... Idra would be some Down Syndrome, Aspergers kid who's memorised 1000 Chess openings and hence 'knows" the game. (Which is equivalent to the way he approaches SC2).
Wow, Im suprised you didn't get banned for this. IdrA doesn't just know the game, he has some of the best macro and micro in the world. Maybe you should watch some of his replays
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Truly a "deep analysis." Thanks for this.
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On February 05 2011 09:36 insaneMicro wrote:
pretty cool comparisons, I have a few questions though:
Could you elaborate on Kasparov meeting Grubby? Did they actually play wc3 or chess?
Also is there anything considered "cheese" in chess?
Chess is thousands of years old, so the "cheesey" strategies are all figured out at this point. Basically anyone with a 1800+ rating in chess could potentially survive ~15 moves against the top players in the world while maintaining an even position. i.e. cheese only works on new players, although if you're playing at a level where cheese is able to attain wins, then like starcraft, usually you just lost some kind of advantage, be it positional, pieces, etc. if the cheese fails, and if not, then you really didn't learn anything from the game.
I'm a Class B rated chess player myself, and never like comparing Chess to Starcraft. They do have their similarities, of course, but really you can compare anything to starcraft--life, politics, etc. I've always thought of Starcraft as more of a game of poker to be honest. I would obviously, then, disagree with your comparison of players, as 1) I believe SC2 is far too primitive at the moment to be compared to chess, and 2) There are dozens of people who fit each style of play in chess. (Also, if anything I'd compare Carlsen to Flash, both of them coming out of nowhere at a really young age and dominating more experienced players, though Bobby Fischer would also fit there )
Also, on a last note, I often lol when Americans/Europeans get called foreigners in starcraft, considering the game was made in America. Funny, isn't it? (It's also kind of wrong since any non Russians would be called foreigners in chess -_-)
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On February 05 2011 09:47 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 09:35 nihoh wrote:
Lame... Comparing Kasparov to Idra... Idra would be some Down Syndrome, Aspergers kid who's memorised 1000 Chess openings and hence 'knows" the game. (Which is equivalent to the way he approaches SC2). Wow, Im suprised you didn't get banned for this. IdrA doesn't just know the game, he has some of the best macro and micro in the world. Maybe you should watch some of his replays
Probably because no admin saw it yet otherwise it's not explainable.
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It's a bit presumptuous to compare arguably the best chess player of all times (Gary Kasparov) to a very good, but not really the best SC2/BW player of all times (IdrA).
Note that for chess the Soviet-Union (Russia) is the equivalent of South-Korea for BW/SCII.
The equivalent of Gary Kasparov would need to be a Korean SCII/BW player.
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On February 05 2011 09:47 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 09:35 nihoh wrote:
Lame... Comparing Kasparov to Idra... Idra would be some Down Syndrome, Aspergers kid who's memorised 1000 Chess openings and hence 'knows" the game. (Which is equivalent to the way he approaches SC2). Wow, Im suprised you didn't get banned for this. IdrA doesn't just know the game, he has some of the best macro and micro in the world. Maybe you should watch some of his replays
You either don't know how Chess is played or really think Idra is some strategic genius.
Chess nowadays is based on memorising thousands and thousands of games, for the vast majority of players. This is exactly equivalent to how Idra plays the game. Would you call him an innovator? Not exactly. He's a rigid player who tries to play the game in a limited style. A better comparison would be Kasparov and Nada.
I didn't exactly put down Down Syndrome and Asperger sufferers in my post? I'm just saying they don't match up to Kasparov. Just because I put the word LAME at the start of my sentence DOES NOT imply I think Down Syndrome, Asperger, or Idra are lame. I am saying the COMPARISON is lame. Sigh for verbal comprehension, right?
Also Bobby Fischer = Savior lol, if we're doing proper comparisons.
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so all I know about chess is the basics, as in bare basics like the moves for each pieces
where does one start? I'm willing to buy a book but I'd rather not do it blind if I can talk to people who know their shit.
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I know a lot of people on TL are obsessed with Chess for whatever reason, but I REALLY wish people would stop making this comparison as it seems to inevitably come up in an inordinate number of threads. Granted, it's not as bad as seeing the Street Fighter/Chess comparison on fighting game forums, but it's still reaching real far for similarities...
On February 05 2011 09:55 ShangMing wrote:Chess is thousands of years old,
Try a couple hundred.
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On February 05 2011 10:15 LegendaryZ wrote:
I know a lot of people on TL are obsessed with Chess for whatever reason, but I REALLY wish people would stop making this comparison as it seems to inevitably come up in an inordinate number of threads. Granted, it's not as bad as seeing the Street Fighter/Chess comparison on fighting game forums, but it's still reaching real far for similarities...
The TL forums are obsessed with Starcraft/Chess comparisons because it makes them sound intelligent, cool and legitimate.
You can't 6 pool in Chess and you will never die to cloaked banshee raven allins either.
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On February 05 2011 10:08 nihoh wrote:
Chess nowadays is based on memorising thousands and thousands of games, for the vast majority of players. This is exactly equivalent to how Idra plays the game. Would you call him an innovator? Not exactly. He's a rigid player who tries to play the game in a limited style. A better comparison would be Kasparov and Nada.
I'm not sure how much you know about chess, but that is hardly how many of the top players I know train. Sure, chess openings are quite important at the highest level, but much of that is learning ideas,
analyzing games, and coming up with new ideas, as opposed to "memorizing thousands and thousands of games." All of this is even less so for players not 2700+.
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I wonder who would fit Bobby Fischer... That guy was batshit crazy. We need a well-known pro who can play brilliant and say outrageous things. Suggestions?
Didn't Magnus Carlsen drop to second now by the way?
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Idra is not that good. MVP is Kasparov
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EPT
