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If you have criticism, you need to address the content, not the hosts. Idra and Artosis are 2 (1.5) Zerg players, but you can't point that out and then blanket them as biased. Respond to the content.

You can't tell them to "get 2 Terran and Protoss players". That's fucking obtuse advice. "Yo just get 4 more high level players to record with you." Yes, I think everyone sees the value in getting it, but it's not practical.

Respond to the content and use evidence / logic to back up your claims.
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
August 17 2011 21:17 GMT
#1481
I think Artosis' casting experiences have made it so that he just loves SC2 in general; don't force a race onto him.
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
Xercen
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom375 Posts
August 18 2011 23:33 GMT
#1482
Did you see the idra smirk when artosis said he wasn't bronze league lol!!!
perestain
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany308 Posts
August 19 2011 00:56 GMT
#1483
On August 18 2011 04:55 DooMDash wrote:
Also I hate that SOTG and this show are from only T and Z's point of views.


wut?

Tyler - Protoss
iNcontrol - Protoss
Day[9] - Random
...
No matter how hot it gets, sooner or later there's a cool breeze coming in.
Sc1pio
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States823 Posts
August 19 2011 01:24 GMT
#1484
On August 18 2011 04:55 DooMDash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 04:30 NASAmoose wrote:
On August 18 2011 04:27 DooMDash wrote:
Artosis mentioned "ghost mech" on state of the game, whats that about ?


Style being popularized by tons of players to deal with Zerg in the late game. Basically, you go mech. Then, right before (ideally) when a shit ton of Broodlords/Infestors come out, you mass ghosts to EMP, snipe, and win.
Also I hate that SOTG and this show are from only T and Z's point of views.


When's the last time a terran was on either this or SOTG?
"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's there are few. " -Shunro Suzuki | fortuna fortes adiuvat
ArtZ
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
49 Posts
August 19 2011 20:37 GMT
#1485
On August 19 2011 10:24 Sc1pio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 04:55 DooMDash wrote:
On August 18 2011 04:30 NASAmoose wrote:
On August 18 2011 04:27 DooMDash wrote:
Artosis mentioned "ghost mech" on state of the game, whats that about ?


Style being popularized by tons of players to deal with Zerg in the late game. Basically, you go mech. Then, right before (ideally) when a shit ton of Broodlords/Infestors come out, you mass ghosts to EMP, snipe, and win.
Also I hate that SOTG and this show are from only T and Z's point of views.


When's the last time a terran was on either this or SOTG?


Maybe they are busy beeing sorry for playing that race

Last one I remember was Tasteless and hes not even pro playing anymore.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 19 2011 20:46 GMT
#1486
Instead of focusing on individual units, I hope they start going through the current maps in rotation, and discuss if/how they favour one race over the others.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
lazydino
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada331 Posts
August 19 2011 20:48 GMT
#1487
Helions and ghosts. Just givin you guys a heads up.
"I have this moron thing that I do, it's called thinking" - George Carlin
isleyofthenorth
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Austria894 Posts
August 19 2011 20:56 GMT
#1488
SOTG is soooooo protoss biased and very very anti terran. how can people say imbalanced is biased and sotg not lol
Huggerz
Profile Joined May 2011
Great Britain919 Posts
August 19 2011 20:59 GMT
#1489
Day9 and JP play random afaik so I don't think State of the Game is completely biased, but sadly it's true they almost never have a terran player... I think the last one was Painuser...
“It's like poker. You can play your best, but you've got to know when to fold your cards and take a rest, and know when to hold your cards, hold your breath and hope that nobody else is stacking the deck."
CeliosB
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada100 Posts
August 19 2011 21:08 GMT
#1490
On August 20 2011 05:46 Telcontar wrote:
Instead of focusing on individual units, I hope they start going through the current maps in rotation, and discuss if/how they favour one race over the others.


i agree but with actual competitive maps, it would be a waste of time to talk about blizzard maps that no one uses for tournament
"To ze bank" -Stephano
NotTheMonker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States131 Posts
August 19 2011 21:13 GMT
#1491
On August 20 2011 05:37 ArtZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 10:24 Sc1pio wrote:
On August 18 2011 04:55 DooMDash wrote:
On August 18 2011 04:30 NASAmoose wrote:
On August 18 2011 04:27 DooMDash wrote:
Artosis mentioned "ghost mech" on state of the game, whats that about ?


Style being popularized by tons of players to deal with Zerg in the late game. Basically, you go mech. Then, right before (ideally) when a shit ton of Broodlords/Infestors come out, you mass ghosts to EMP, snipe, and win.
Also I hate that SOTG and this show are from only T and Z's point of views.


When's the last time a terran was on either this or SOTG?


Maybe they are busy beeing sorry for playing that race

Last one I remember was Tasteless and hes not even pro playing anymore.


If we don't count Tasteless, then I believe the last one was Gretorp.
You cant be a good rapper without rhymes, and you cant be a good Pokemon trainer without CATCHING MORE POKEMON.
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 21:22:13
August 19 2011 21:16 GMT
#1492
On August 20 2011 06:13 NotTheMonker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 05:37 ArtZ wrote:
On August 19 2011 10:24 Sc1pio wrote:
On August 18 2011 04:55 DooMDash wrote:
On August 18 2011 04:30 NASAmoose wrote:
On August 18 2011 04:27 DooMDash wrote:
Artosis mentioned "ghost mech" on state of the game, whats that about ?


Style being popularized by tons of players to deal with Zerg in the late game. Basically, you go mech. Then, right before (ideally) when a shit ton of Broodlords/Infestors come out, you mass ghosts to EMP, snipe, and win.
Also I hate that SOTG and this show are from only T and Z's point of views.


When's the last time a terran was on either this or SOTG?


Maybe they are busy beeing sorry for playing that race

Last one I remember was Tasteless and hes not even pro playing anymore.


If we don't count Tasteless, then I believe the last one was Gretorp.


Leah, I think?

And does Tasteless really play terran?Always thought he was protoss.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
everyday847
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14 Posts
August 19 2011 21:22 GMT
#1493
Tasteless fooled around a bit with Terran in the beta (and maybe a bit more around release?) but he's been playing Protoss since long before Artosis switched--certainly since GSL2 and probably GSL1 as well.
zEMPd
Profile Joined June 2011
Angola259 Posts
August 19 2011 21:25 GMT
#1494
Idra and Artosis are 2 (1.5)... FUNNY GUY EH ?
meadbert
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 21:33:09
August 19 2011 21:32 GMT
#1495
On August 18 2011 05:05 Leach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 04:38 skrotcyk wrote:
On August 18 2011 00:17 meadbert wrote:
Artosis's own results at NASL are ironic. He went 0-8 vs Zerg and 0-6 vs Terran, but pulled off a solid 4-3 record vs Protoss.

Obviously this data size is way to small and limited to prove anything regarding which races may be overpowered. I only felt compelled to point out the irony that Artosis complained about Protoss being overpowered, yet somehow playing against Protoss turned out to be his best matchup.



Wow are you trolling..?

Or just that stupid?


pls don't let this be trolling, would be so funny :D

I am totally not trolling.

According to TLPD as of today Artosis is:
0-12 vs Terran
0-6 vs Zerg
4-3 vs Protoss
Source:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1129_Artosis

This does not prove anything, so I am not submitting it as balance evidence.
I just enjoy the irony and thought others might too.
Skamtet
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada634 Posts
August 19 2011 21:36 GMT
#1496
On August 20 2011 06:25 zEMPd wrote:
Idra and Artosis are 2 (1.5)... FUNNY GUY EH ?
Artosis used to be Zerg, and now he's protoss.
That's why it says 1.5 zerg players
Skamtet
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada634 Posts
August 19 2011 21:37 GMT
#1497
On August 20 2011 06:32 meadbert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 05:05 Leach wrote:
On August 18 2011 04:38 skrotcyk wrote:
On August 18 2011 00:17 meadbert wrote:
Artosis's own results at NASL are ironic. He went 0-8 vs Zerg and 0-6 vs Terran, but pulled off a solid 4-3 record vs Protoss.

Obviously this data size is way to small and limited to prove anything regarding which races may be overpowered. I only felt compelled to point out the irony that Artosis complained about Protoss being overpowered, yet somehow playing against Protoss turned out to be his best matchup.



Wow are you trolling..?

Or just that stupid?


pls don't let this be trolling, would be so funny :D

I am totally not trolling.

According to TLPD as of today Artosis is:
0-12 vs Terran
0-6 vs Zerg
4-3 vs Protoss
Source:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1129_Artosis

This does not prove anything, so I am not submitting it as balance evidence.
I just enjoy the irony and thought others might too.
It's a mirror matchup, or am I missing something here? o.o
dog4
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada36 Posts
August 19 2011 21:38 GMT
#1498
Can't wait for the show to be back.
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 21:52:06
August 19 2011 21:51 GMT
#1499
On August 17 2011 18:33 Beamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 18:20 3xiLe wrote:
On August 17 2011 17:52 CellTech wrote:
Remember how good the infestor used to be in broodwar? It was awesome vZ. The only difference was its appearance and name (used to be called a dark archon)


I don't even know if you're serious.



What he meant is Infestors basically have the same kind of spells Dark Archons used to have in broodwar...

Fungle -> Maelstorm
Neural parasite -> Mind Control


Not really. Maelstrom stunned biological units, and did no damage.

Fungal can hit anything, and does damage. Also, maelstromed units cannot attack. Fungaled units can.

NP and MC are worlds apart, in that MC didnt have a tentacle, was permanent, and took 200 shields away from the unit when used. It was different mechanically, in that it stole the upgrades from the unit too, meaning you could do something like steal upgrades from a protoss. Can't steal burrow tech from an opposing zerg if you NP a roach.

They're basically, not the same spells. At all.

On August 17 2011 18:14 Silverfoxx wrote:
Infestors are COUNTERED BY the other spellcasters. 2 storms dropped on top of infestors or a feedback on them immediately either kills them or renders them completely useless.
An emp on them = useless infestor, as can sniping them in the middle of combat (though lets be honest, an emp would be preferred 99/100 times.)


Yeah, HT aren't countered by ghosts or infestors when clumped, and ghosts aren't countered by HTs or infestors when clumped. Not at all. Not whatsoever. EMP doesn't remove PROTOSS energy!

Those casters are all counters to eachother. It's a micro battle when players have those casters on the field. They designed it like that, and it's perfectly fine. Infestors are fantastic, and so are ghosts and HT's. Stop whining for no reason.
DaRKMaTT3r
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil553 Posts
August 19 2011 21:52 GMT
#1500
On August 20 2011 06:16 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 06:13 NotTheMonker wrote:
On August 20 2011 05:37 ArtZ wrote:
On August 19 2011 10:24 Sc1pio wrote:
On August 18 2011 04:55 DooMDash wrote:
On August 18 2011 04:30 NASAmoose wrote:
On August 18 2011 04:27 DooMDash wrote:
Artosis mentioned "ghost mech" on state of the game, whats that about ?


Style being popularized by tons of players to deal with Zerg in the late game. Basically, you go mech. Then, right before (ideally) when a shit ton of Broodlords/Infestors come out, you mass ghosts to EMP, snipe, and win.
Also I hate that SOTG and this show are from only T and Z's point of views.


When's the last time a terran was on either this or SOTG?


Maybe they are busy beeing sorry for playing that race

Last one I remember was Tasteless and hes not even pro playing anymore.


If we don't count Tasteless, then I believe the last one was Gretorp.


Leah, I think?

And does Tasteless really play terran?Always thought he was protoss.


He was random, then changed to terran then to Protoss. He is currently protoss and said a few times on GSL that he sometimes thinks into switching back to terran. (this is all based on his first VOD from beta tournaments + his comments through out the GSL seasons)

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