EPTIt amazes me how everyone is picking on the infestors when every single other spellcaster is just as "OP". It feels like everyone will only be happy if no spellcasters exsisted and was purely a kiting game.
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If you have criticism, you need to address the content, not the hosts. Idra and Artosis are 2 (1.5) Zerg players, but you can't point that out and then blanket them as biased. Respond to the content. You can't tell them to "get 2 Terran and Protoss players". That's fucking obtuse advice. "Yo just get 4 more high level players to record with you." Yes, I think everyone sees the value in getting it, but it's not practical. Respond to the content and use evidence / logic to back up your claims. | ||
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YipCraft
United States216 Posts
It amazes me how everyone is picking on the infestors when every single other spellcaster is just as "OP". It feels like everyone will only be happy if no spellcasters exsisted and was purely a kiting game. | ||
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fant0m
964 Posts
On August 17 2011 05:03 unit wrote: is this coming back with idra's return to korea? Say whaaaat?? | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
But hey, they could simply do it at the new team house and invite Huk and Puma to get another Protoss and Terran opinion. :p | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On August 17 2011 05:13 roflcopter420 wrote: say whaaaaaaaat, is he returning to korea?? Haha, where have you guys been? | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On August 17 2011 07:48 Bobster wrote: I'm sure Artosis and Idra will hook up again now that he returns. Whether that leads to a revival of this particular show, who knows. But hey, they could simply do it at the new team house and invite Huk and Puma to get another Protoss and Terran opinion. :p this would be great. i hope these webisodes return. it was fun. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
Dark Swarm- counters ranged units (eg the Terran race). Creates a cloud as large as a mothership that reduces all ranged dps to 0 against units in the cloud. Think of guardian shield that reduced all damage to 0. Plague- aoe twice the size of fungal, reduced basically every units hp to 1, including huge flying spacecraft. Consume - allows the defiler to have infinite energy. EMP defiler? Trololololololololol. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On August 17 2011 08:06 Micket wrote: Guys, what's wrong with Zerg having the best spell caster in the game? Remember that BW unit called the defiler? On paper, that unit would be the most imbalanced unit ever conceived. Think about it: Dark Swarm- counters ranged units (eg the Terran race). Creates a cloud as large as a mothership that reduces all ranged dps to 0 against units in the cloud. Think of guardian shield that reduced all damage to 0. Plague- aoe twice the size of fungal, reduced basically every units hp to 1, including huge flying spacecraft. Consume - allows the defiler to have infinite energy. EMP defiler? Trololololololololol. Remember that BW actually requires you to have some skill/apm to use the spells properly | ||
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StaplerPhone
United States813 Posts
On August 17 2011 08:10 fabiano wrote: Remember that BW actually requires you to have some skill/apm to use the spells properly Wasn't the defiler a late game unit as opposed to the infestor which you can get midgame? | ||
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RodYan
United States126 Posts
On August 17 2011 08:12 StaplerPhone wrote: Wasn't the defiler a late game unit as opposed to the infestor which you can get midgame? Yes, but the defiler was a WAY better unit than the infestor. Dark Swarm + consume was extremely good. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On August 17 2011 08:14 RodYan wrote: Yes, but the defiler was a WAY better unit than the infestor. Dark Swarm + consume was extremely good. Every caster was stronger in BW, due to the mechanics of the game being different (ie no smartcast, small control groups, difficulty teching, etc). Defiler was strong, but difficult to use properly and tech to. The same went for science vessels, arbiters and templar, etc. all of which are stronger than their sc2 counterparts due to the way the mechanics changed. | ||
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Ponyo
United States1231 Posts
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ClysmiC
United States2192 Posts
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On August 17 2011 08:10 fabiano wrote: Remember that BW actually requires you to have some skill/apm to use the spells properly Remember when the quality of a game was not determined by how hard it was to click things? | ||
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CellTech
Canada396 Posts
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Daozzt
United States1263 Posts
On August 17 2011 14:17 lorkac wrote: Remember when the quality of a game was not determined by how hard it was to click things? The fact that it was hard to cast shit in BW made storm, dark swarm, etc a lot more balanced. That's not the case for SC2. Take your BW hate else where. | ||
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Darclite
United States1021 Posts
On August 17 2011 14:26 Daozzt wrote: The fact that it was hard to cast shit in BW made storm, dark swarm, etc a lot more balanced. That's not the case for SC2. Take your BW hate else where. It also didn't have retarded clumping that made 100 supply of units get hit by 1 AOE spell (except storm which has smaller radius and only hits 80 supply of units lol). | ||
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TortoiseCa
Canada104 Posts
I mean, in the past few months zerg play has evolved and infestors have been a big part in that. Terran and Protoss are still doing the exact same builds. They make a few ghosts/templars late game to counter Infestors and complain imba when their 3 or 4 spell casters can't counter your 20 infestors. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
On August 17 2011 17:24 karpo wrote: Just listening to Artosis and Idra talking about TvZ now on SotG i really don't want this show again. It will just spawn even more balance whine both here and on other forums. Dude, everything spawns a balance whine. Slayers massing hellions at MLG, Incontrol making a remark in passing, the IEM, someone just losing his first game on ladder to something new. That's not a good reason not to try and talk about the issue. A lot of people have really stupid opinions, or maybe half-formed, rudimentary opinions on why something is imbalanced, and they rarely make an effort to try and understand why exactly they feel this way. It stays at the "lol i hate X" level rather than "I hate dealing with X because I'm not good at doing Y in response", which just stops them from progressing as a player. | ||
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CellTech
Canada396 Posts
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