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If you have criticism, you need to address the content, not the hosts. Idra and Artosis are 2 (1.5) Zerg players, but you can't point that out and then blanket them as biased. Respond to the content.

You can't tell them to "get 2 Terran and Protoss players". That's fucking obtuse advice. "Yo just get 4 more high level players to record with you." Yes, I think everyone sees the value in getting it, but it's not practical.

Respond to the content and use evidence / logic to back up your claims.
shakenbake
Profile Joined August 2010
United States207 Posts
February 03 2011 05:27 GMT
#381
colossus has been too strong in nearly all matchups. any P v X matchup revolves so heavily around this unit it is no wonder.
FortyOzs
Profile Joined February 2011
189 Posts
February 03 2011 05:28 GMT
#382
It's cool to hear the pro's talk about balance, but it's Idra and Artosis, the two most Zerg-biased people in balance ever since SC2 began. Although I play Zerg (XD) this is a little ridiculous. It was smart to stay away from ZvT though lol, it should be interesting when they get around to that.
Akuemon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada151 Posts
February 03 2011 05:29 GMT
#383
I dont get how this youtube video has 300 views and 700 likes...
Eviltoast
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia166 Posts
February 03 2011 05:33 GMT
#384
I like it not one sided at all (as I was sort of expecting from idra lol)

I would prefer it though if you could show examples like short clips to highlight your points. It would just make it sooooooo professional.
it's copacetic... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
manicshock
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada741 Posts
February 03 2011 05:39 GMT
#385
Reapers I think they were confused on. The nerf to factory before reaper speed wasn't because of 1v1, it was because of 2v2. The key nerf was SD before rax (and reaper build speed), because proxied fast rax reapers was pretty much unstoppable. Blizzard felt that reapers were balanced in 1v1 but in 2v2 the only way to be top was reaper ling TZ.
Never argue with an idiot. They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
DirtYLOu
Profile Joined May 2010
575 Posts
February 03 2011 05:39 GMT
#386
On February 03 2011 14:29 Akuemon wrote:
I dont get how this youtube video has 300 views and 700 likes...

The view count updates every 15? Min or so. Likes updates instantly.
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Hollis
Profile Joined January 2011
United States505 Posts
February 03 2011 05:39 GMT
#387
On February 03 2011 14:25 RedMorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2011 14:14 Hokay wrote:
I enjoyed this and I am a protoss player ;D

I look forward to the marauder and banelings!


Im interesting in the blings too. 99% of the time I lose to Z, its because they 1a with blings.

Not sure why people on a non-pro level call T OP in that matchup...clearly I'm missing something.


Erm, banelings are the only viable zerg answer to mass marine. And even they aren't that great if your marine/tank army control is solid.
War Horse
Profile Joined January 2011
United States247 Posts
February 03 2011 05:41 GMT
#388
On February 03 2011 09:50 Scrimpton wrote:
Every non Zerg who "lols" at IdrA or any Zerg talking about imbalance should actually try playing zerg at a somewhat high level.

The counter for relatively simple executed things is often a much much much more complicated set of responses that require more multi tasking to defend than to execute. On top of that you get the drone/unit larvae decisions AND injects + creep that lose you the game if you dont keep on top of.

Never saw a terran lose because his mule was 10 seconds late.

isn't this always true though?

It takes more skill to properly defend all-ins or cheese in BW than it does to defend "standard" play
Why appeal to God when you can appeal to Apaches?
ParadoXal
Profile Joined January 2011
3 Posts
February 03 2011 05:42 GMT
#389
"imba! imba world! why does my joints hurt all the time?"
Cool show, will watch.
Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
February 03 2011 05:43 GMT
#390
I always play against a friend, we both play every race, we play all the time


I never win


ever

But today, I won the first game against him ever, PvT and I went Colosus... nuff said
xD
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Stymie[SC]
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada10 Posts
February 03 2011 05:45 GMT
#391
I really think that the point about the maps is key and that the match ups straight up are very balanced at the moment if you dont consider the maps. Like Idra said, on a long map, it isnt too hard for the zerg player to defend the colossus because the zerg can sack their army to kill the colossus and still have time to rebuild their army before the protoss comes and kills the zerg. Where as on a short map, the protoss can just march across with the remainder of their army and win, on a long map, the zerg has enough time to gather up their forces again and make a stand.

The new maps that Gom is going to be using look promising and I hope that they make it into the ladder and solve some of the race discrepancy in the GSL.

I'm also amazed at how many people dont think before they post on here, claiming that the show is biased just because its two zergs talking. I think that they brought up some really great points that need to be discussed and I like how they said that in time, players may figure out how to deal with these issues and that it may not be a balance issue at all.

Great work Idra and Artosis!
"This Zealot block would not be able to trap a Command Center, were it able to walk!" - Greth
hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 05:48:20
February 03 2011 05:47 GMT
#392
As long as we're talking about imbalance, how about bringing up underused, perceived underpowered units like battlecruiser, carrier and ultralisk?

Apart from that, it's a very very interesting show, and I'll agree with Nazgul's opinion on this matter.
Resistentialism
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada688 Posts
February 03 2011 05:50 GMT
#393
It just doesn't matter that much and isn't as important compared to units that get overused. Eventually if a unit is bad enough it becomes a taunt to make one.
alexanderzero
Profile Joined June 2008
United States659 Posts
February 03 2011 05:51 GMT
#394
Near the start of the video they mention how occasionally Zerg players have the exact right amount of corrupters to deal with colossus, but then they brush it off as being unreasonably difficult to do consistently. Maybe they should analyze the replays more.
I am a tournament organizazer.
Sworn
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada920 Posts
February 03 2011 05:54 GMT
#395
Dislike to the fullest In my opinion it's a show that is extremely bias. It's two zergs talking about troubles they have.. Im sorry I can't take it seriously without a solid arguement which would require a protoss/terran player to show counter points.
"Duty is heavy as a mountain, death is light as a feather." CJ Entus Fighting! <3 Effort
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
February 03 2011 06:00 GMT
#396
On February 03 2011 14:54 Sworn wrote:
Dislike to the fullest In my opinion it's a show that is extremely bias. It's two zergs talking about troubles they have.. Im sorry I can't take it seriously without a solid arguement which would require a protoss/terran player to show counter points.


Artosis has been protoss for nearly a month.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 06:07:03
February 03 2011 06:04 GMT
#397
Holy hell this is the perfect 2 people for the perfect show.

Going to follow this one.

I wish there was a terran tho. Try Painuser. He actually thinks going DT is just the same as going banshee!
Geovu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Estonia1344 Posts
February 03 2011 06:04 GMT
#398
On February 03 2011 15:00 Tadzio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2011 14:54 Sworn wrote:
Dislike to the fullest In my opinion it's a show that is extremely bias. It's two zergs talking about troubles they have.. Im sorry I can't take it seriously without a solid arguement which would require a protoss/terran player to show counter points.


Artosis has been protoss for nearly a month.

He is still a Zerg player at heart. He has spent countless hours playing and theorycrafting over the Zerg race and is only now switching to Protoss because he feels Zerg is too weak.
Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
February 03 2011 06:04 GMT
#399
For those of you who dont know Artosis has been protoss for quite some time now, and he is really high up the ladder he knows what hes talking about for protoss as well as zerg, hes not biased.

As for the show, I really love the show and i enjoy it greatly, very well put together and its not just screaming somethings imba its discussing it in a well mannered way.

I think it would add alot to the show if they had guests on the show when tackling tough subjects, though idra and artosis are both very smart and could cover most things on thier own.
Zerokaiser
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada885 Posts
February 03 2011 06:06 GMT
#400
This thread has become ridiculous. There are people that

A) Think Artosis is a zerg player.

B) Haven't actually watched the video

C) Have watched the video but didn't actually listen to what IdrA and Artosis were suggesting, which was that Protoss needed adjustments so that Colossus wasn't a centerpiece of the entire race.

The other people are D. They both know Artosis is a Protoss player, watched the video, understood the video, and are excited for the next video.
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