IMBALANCED! - Introduction - Page 18

On February 03 2011 13:11 Ratel wrote:
Nerfing the collosus would only cause more imbalance, for the reason that a toss. SIMPLY. cannot survive in most games without collosus support, gateway units are so weak for their cost compared to the cheap roaches and hydras that collosus is the only thing that holds the protoss army together without getting slaughtered. the only thing that is imbalanced are the maps, .. and terran..

On February 03 2011 11:16 yleM iLk wrote:


Hit the nail on the head.

On February 03 2011 13:15 Fenrisulf wrote:
Every time Artosis says "as a player who plays both races" I cringe.
John said it best "you're just a traitor"
I mean, from every balance comment that Artosis has ever made about ZvP during his GSL casts it seems that he just uses "I play P AND Z so i'm in a good position to comment about balance" to be able to QQ about zerg with some semblance of fairness. So many times I have seen him comment "this kinda rush/play is super hard for Z to defend...I know from experience" and then watch as the Zerg easily defends and moves on to crush the attacking protoss.

I agree that Collosus is sort of broken (not OP but broken) it is relied on very heavily in every matchup. However, there is a reason for that. Outside of a very early rushes, gateway armies are just too weak. Zergs complain that the "protoss deathball" is too hard to stop. But for the Protoss player the question isn't "how to stop zerg deathball" it's "how do I survive until I get there",

Nerf collosus? sure, go for it, but you better be buffing up something else, cuz without collosus there is a gaping hole in the protoss army. Otherwise we wont see a protoss out of Ro16 in the upcoming GSLs unless he 4 gates every game.

You could tell us about Ret's results of his experiments with Infestors in PvZ, Ret's ideas and theory about how Infestors should be used

On February 03 2011 13:12 beetlelisk wrote:


Instead you gave a green light to every single retarded faggot who wants to derail this thread, you directly caused the moderation to have unnecessary work to do here

- and SC2 forums aren't the prime example of users following the rules to say at least.
You are promoting the way of posting that is against the rules of the site you own and you are putting down people who want to contribute for free.
After showing how you handle the LR threads and not only them, you did this?
I am extremely dissapointed in you as an admin. You should be ashamed of yourself Nazgul.

On February 03 2011 13:12 beetlelisk wrote:

There is a huge difference between telling someone why is he wrong and basically telling someone it's hard not ridicule him because of bias and I don't mean their bias, I mean your views about them.

You completely disregarded their points, you completely disregarded the work that was put into this video.

• The work that can be heard by the way they form their sentences,
  
• put stress on their points and preemptively try to disarm accusations of whine,
  
• elaborate on and completely deplete all of the arguments for their views
  
• but also the work that can be literally seen by noticing on what they are looking at - they gave me incredibly strong impression of having notes, some sort of a "what to say" list and they look at it a lot to, by what they are saying, give the best impression of proffesionalism they can.
  

You could tell us about Ret's results of his experiments with Infestors in PvZ, Ret's ideas and theory about how Infestors should be used AS YOU ARE HIS MANAGER AND YOU ARE THE NUMBER ONE PERSON RESPOSNIBLE FOR EXPOSING YOUR PLAYERS and your sponsor because of that to fans and community as a whole.

Instead you gave a green light to every single retarded faggot who wants to derail this thread, you directly caused the moderation to have unnecessary work to do here - and SC2 forums aren't the prime example of users following the rules to say at least.
You are promoting the way of posting that is against the rules of the site you own and you are putting down people who want to contribute for free.
After showing how you handle the LR threads and not only them, you did this?
I am extremely dissapointed in you as an admin. You should be ashamed of yourself Nazgul.

On February 03 2011 09:45 Klamity wrote:
IdrA commenting on balance... oh boy. This should be the beginning of something awesome. Nerds will forever cite this video in their balance arguments.

On February 03 2011 10:28 Backpack wrote:
I agree with IdrA's thoughts on how Colossus are too good and it is a crutch for P. All of our other choices are weaker because the colossus is so good. I think we(protoss) need more options than just 4gate or colossus every game.

On February 03 2011 13:44 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:

Though, I would say that a fair point about the colossus is that it's a T3 unit which almost every protoss seems to want to get in late game. This is quite unusual, not all Terrans go to thors, not all Zergs have their minds set on going to ultralisk. But a lot of Protoss players basically just measure their game in how many colossi they can get. PvP at its core is still almost only measuring army strength by colossus count.

On February 03 2011 12:58 Bleb wrote:
I honestly think show like this is horrible idea
2 macro zergs (yeah artosis is zerg player) discussing about balance? sorry but you need more different insight on subjet to make discussion valid.

discussing about unit that is so late in tech tree is really not valid if you don't explain the situation better. was it 1 base collos rush? was it 2 base? was it fe? was it 3 base? what did zerg do? I mean... show me build that you're having problems with.
for instance reapers weren't imba on their own.
5 rax reapers with speed was imba. build was rather easy to learn and it gave you total game control for first 10-15 mins. that's why blizzard nerfed it.

I personally don't think this kind of discussions can lead to anything. discussion about protoss unit without decent protoss player?! come on!
Honestly Artosis just sank in my eyes once again : (