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Honestly, why would anyone do this?
100 4-gate is, as insane as it sounds, actually at least somewhat helpful to players. This is because the 4 gate build, while being disproportionally strong compared to the skill it takes to execute, is still teaching Protoss players an extremely viable build. The build is core to the race, and every Protoss knows how to do it.
Yes, it is easy as hell and you basically get free diamond as a Protoss player because of 4gate, but you still learn a very strong part of your race. Experimenting with the build and making adjustments can yield really strong results.
The 6 pool, on the other hand, is one of the most ineffective and costly all-in strategies in the game. With the worker AI improved since a patch not too long ago, it is very easy to hold off. In no matchup is 6pooling a core part of the Zerg race, like 4gate is to Protoss. This challenge literally teaches Zerg players nothing, and is counterproductive to becoming a better Zerg player. Zerg cannot rely on cheese, because they pretty much have none.
So... There really is no point to this other than "I can waste hours of my life doing the same relatively ineffective cheese 100 games in a row for no real benefit."
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What to do if I accidentally made 8 drones?
Just remove the points won/lost from the Final score (and don't attach the replay ofc)?.
Don't make me start all over again please.
Edit: Nvm, I'm giving up. I was doing quite well with 6pools 2 months ago at a high level, but now people learned to defend it quite well ... I'm currently at 3095 points Master League on EU and I made 1-5 with 6pool.
For those who still want to do it, here are some tips: Veto Steppes and Xelnaga as players tend to scout fast here (you can also veto LT as walling is very easy for T/P).
On maps like Scrap Station or Blistering Sands send your overlord on his scouting route and watch out for the scouting scv/probe. When you see it, send a drone to your natural making it meet his scout on the way. Some players will try to block it and prevent the expand without scouting the main base anymore. All you have to do is some fake micro while "desperately trying to put down the hatch" and if his scout is still at your natural while lings are moving out it's a win for you 
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Just a clarification of the rules... do they have to be 100 SUCCESSFUL 6pools? Or does it count if they are losses?
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4 gate is good for learning basic of protoss, 6 pool is not good for learning zerg
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On January 25 2011 09:55 gogogadgetflow wrote:
Anyone else been getting 6-pool+drone all-in'd on Jungle since Idra did it?
Pretty much did it today, and also do it on DQ.. Playing as random and ending up as ZvT is just something which I can't enjoy in those maps.. So a grabbing a fast win/loss is easier
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Meh, I play P and 6 Pool is easy to hold, just stick some probes in the gap in the wall in and wait for the zealot and you're good. Then just 4 Gate and there's no way they can hold.
Please Zergs, 6 Pool your hearts out, but unless the Protoss stupidly doesn't scout at the 9 Pylon vs Z it is just silly.
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6 pool is a terrible strategy. I'd much rather see a 100 7 pool (just 8 lings) challenge.
7 pool has become my standard opening in ZvZ and ZvP and it leads to macro games 70% of the time with both of us roughly even on income. Far more versatile than 6 pool.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Fail_Pool_Rush_(vs_Protoss) for reference...
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On January 26 2011 06:40 hmsrenown wrote:
4 gate is good for learning basic of protoss, 6 pool is not good for learning zerg
The fact that a predictable single timing attack with a minimal macro requirement is good for learning the basics of protoss says more than anything else.
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On January 25 2011 17:25 eveo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2011 15:25 fAnTaCy wrote:
No, bad, 6 pool is terrible, the game doesn't need more cheese shit, especially cheese challenges like this =/. It's just dumb, and like someone said earlier, baneling bust is a lot more efficient of an all-in for zerg. 6 pool just to easy to scout and stop so, just no T_T So? That's the point of this thread, because it's ridiculous, seeing who can get where with it.
No one will get anywhere with this...lol. Sad to say but it's true
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On January 26 2011 06:53 Duban wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 06:40 hmsrenown wrote:
4 gate is good for learning basic of protoss, 6 pool is not good for learning zerg The fact that a predictable single timing attack with a minimal macro requirement is good for learning the basics of protoss says more than anything else.
It's stupid to assume that. The thing is, a 6 pool is bad, it wont win games at higher levels. A 4 gate in PvP will beat everyone if well executed. And a good 4 gate in PvZ will get you into Top Masters, as you see in tournaments all the time.
4 Gate is a relatively hard to do build once you reach higher level. Sure, Gold level 4 gate is 1a. But a High Diamond/Masters 4 gate actually requires suberb control, target firing, kiting, moving damaged ones back (you'd be suprised how difficult it is)... As well as in middle of the micro to keep re enforcing. In PvP especially, you need a solid transition as soon as you feel it's necessary. So don't go around saying how stupid protoss is.
6 Pool is retarded though. This challenge isn't like, How many games will you win, you will lose all of them at a higher level. All you'll learn from this is how to micro damage lings back. There's no mindgames, like when doing a 4 gate... No build order to learn.
I'm personally suprised this thread is still open. All these strategy discussions are closed but a thread saying "6 pool to get good" stays open.
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On January 26 2011 07:07 Skillz_Man wrote:
4 Gate is a relatively hard to do build once you reach higher level. Sure, Gold level 4 gate is 1a. But a High Diamond/Masters 4 gate actually requires suberb control, target firing, kiting, moving damaged ones back (you'd be suprised how difficult it is)... As well as in middle of the micro to keep re enforcing. In PvP especially, you need a solid transition as soon as you feel it's necessary. So don't go around saying how stupid protoss is.
You're saying that even though you can get from bronze to top masters using a single build every matchup, protoss is not stupid? I mean, I didn't think protoss was stupid before I read your post, but now I sort of do...Did you expect it to be easy to execute the build at top masters too or something? Of course at higher levels it will be harder. You're still using only one build, which is insane.
But I digress.
I wouldn't go on a 100 game 6-pool streak myself just to see what happens but I'm curious about the results anyway. FOR SCIENCE! Hey, maybe if you do it 100 times you find a way to win consistently with it...
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Make it a 7 pool and ill do it since its extremely hard to transition out of 6 pool while 7 pool is completely viable
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6 pool should be a build all zergs learn.
in scbw, the 4pool is pretty much the only cheese build zergs can do.
having said that, this 100 6pool challenge can be useful to fine-tune other variations of the 6 pool, ie 7pool,8pool, and i believe if you do a 10pool, you have enough drones to transition into some other strategies (provided you deal enough initial damage).
don't 6pool 100x blindly. adapt to the map/opponent you're playing and change the 6pool accordingly.
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now we just need a 100 2 rax + scv all in thread..
wonder how far that will get you? platinum? diamond? masters? oh wait...someone got all the way to Ro16 GSL with that :p
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On January 26 2011 07:38 LG)Sabbath wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 07:07 Skillz_Man wrote:
4 Gate is a relatively hard to do build once you reach higher level. Sure, Gold level 4 gate is 1a. But a High Diamond/Masters 4 gate actually requires suberb control, target firing, kiting, moving damaged ones back (you'd be suprised how difficult it is)... As well as in middle of the micro to keep re enforcing. In PvP especially, you need a solid transition as soon as you feel it's necessary. So don't go around saying how stupid protoss is.
You're saying that even though you can get from bronze to top masters using a single build every matchup, protoss is not stupid? I mean, I didn't think protoss was stupid before I read your post, but now I sort of do...Did you expect it to be easy to execute the build at top masters too or something? Of course at higher levels it will be harder. You're still using only one build, which is insane. But I digress. I wouldn't go on a 100 game 6-pool streak myself just to see what happens but I'm curious about the results anyway. FOR SCIENCE! Hey, maybe if you do it 100 times you find a way to win consistently with it...
With your thinking zerg could be a "stupid" race. They are able to go zergling + roach off one base vs any race. They can do it in zvz, they can sure do it in zvt, and I've seen it in zvp several times too. Sure the drone timings are slightly different. But then again, and pvz 4 gate differs from pvp 4 gate, and you can't actually 4 gate effectively in pvt.
Next, let's look if terran is also a "stupid" race. TvP I have a friend(masters) who does a 3 rax all in every single game. So let's see if you can do that in other match ups. TvZ, you sure can, just go more marine heavy, possibly go 4 rax instead of 3 rax but same idea. Lastly, even in TvT you see a marauder + marine bioball before many tanks come out. So my conclusion, using your thinking, is Starcraft is stupid because you can do the same build and easily reach high diamond.
Now because I was extending it too far, but I wanted you to understand how what you said was incorrect.
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At least this can be done in just one day ... a day you can never have back.
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On January 26 2011 13:57 Skillz_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 07:38 LG)Sabbath wrote:On January 26 2011 07:07 Skillz_Man wrote:
4 Gate is a relatively hard to do build once you reach higher level. Sure, Gold level 4 gate is 1a. But a High Diamond/Masters 4 gate actually requires suberb control, target firing, kiting, moving damaged ones back (you'd be suprised how difficult it is)... As well as in middle of the micro to keep re enforcing. In PvP especially, you need a solid transition as soon as you feel it's necessary. So don't go around saying how stupid protoss is.
You're saying that even though you can get from bronze to top masters using a single build every matchup, protoss is not stupid? I mean, I didn't think protoss was stupid before I read your post, but now I sort of do...Did you expect it to be easy to execute the build at top masters too or something? Of course at higher levels it will be harder. You're still using only one build, which is insane. But I digress. I wouldn't go on a 100 game 6-pool streak myself just to see what happens but I'm curious about the results anyway. FOR SCIENCE! Hey, maybe if you do it 100 times you find a way to win consistently with it... With your thinking zerg could be a "stupid" race. They are able to go zergling + roach off one base vs any race. They can do it in zvz, they can sure do it in zvt, and I've seen it in zvp several times too. Sure the drone timings are slightly different. But then again, and pvz 4 gate differs from pvp 4 gate, and you can't actually 4 gate effectively in pvt. Next, let's look if terran is also a "stupid" race. TvP I have a friend(masters) who does a 3 rax all in every single game. So let's see if you can do that in other match ups. TvZ, you sure can, just go more marine heavy, possibly go 4 rax instead of 3 rax but same idea. Lastly, even in TvT you see a marauder + marine bioball before many tanks come out. So my conclusion, using your thinking, is Starcraft is stupid because you can do the same build and easily reach high diamond. Now because I was extending it too far, but I wanted you to understand how what you said was incorrect.
You can go roach/ling of one base as zerg vs any race???? you can go into paper league with that, because any one base strategy that zerg can do, its FAR worse than any of the other races, just look at pro players and how many times they succed with any one base play.
Anyways, i think this challenge dont suit zerg style just because of that, you cant do a one base aggresive build and get an average 50% at high levels (maybe 7RR but its still pretty bad), and obviously we cant say something like "The 100 2 base hidra-roach challenge!", so in my opinion, just let the challenges for other races, altough im interested about the results
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This thread is unbelievably great comedy. I just read all 5 pages and was very sufficiently amused for the evening.
Also, someone needs to make a 100 game 1-rax FE challenge. Yay for actual improvement!!!!
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On January 26 2011 14:22 Boundless wrote:
This thread is unbelievably great comedy. I just read all 5 pages and was very sufficiently amused for the evening.
Also, someone needs to make a 100 game 1-rax FE challenge. Yay for actual improvement!!!!
You know I was actually thinking that someone should make a Fast Expand thread too. Do it for all races.
Protoss: 3 gate expand or sooner.
Zerg: 1st, 2nd, or 3rd building is a hatchery.
Terran: 2 rax expand or sooner.
However I wouldn't make one after 2 other of these fail threads that were made >_<
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