The 100 6 Pool Challenge

On January 25 2011 09:48 arterian wrote:
well it's viable against zerg and protoss on certain maps

On January 25 2011 09:49 eveo wrote:


Meh, really easy to scout and defend so I hope people don't rage too hard in this thread. I wonder if anyone will gain significantly.

On January 25 2011 09:55 arterian wrote:


if you scout zerg last on metalopolis you can lose to it very easily as toss

On January 25 2011 09:57 haegN wrote:
Ok will try this. =) thanks for refererring to my thread <3

On January 25 2011 09:58 Carson wrote:
I thought this was the rule for zergs in team games lol

It'll be interesting to see results from 100 games. I wonder how intricate the 6 pool micro will get for people at the end.

On January 25 2011 10:00 SiDX wrote:
All this will do is piss off a lot of people and the players doing the rush wont wont be improving at all you are better off making a 100 game 3+ base Macro challenge instead.

On January 25 2011 10:00 SiDX wrote:
All this will do is piss off a lot of people and the players doing the rush wont wont be improving at all you are better off making a 100 game 3+ base Macro challenge instead.

On January 25 2011 09:55 arterian wrote:


if you scout zerg last on metalopolis you can lose to it very easily as toss

On January 25 2011 10:00 FrostedMiniWeet wrote:
6 pool isn't really a good cheese against a decent opponent who knows how to micro workers. I've lost every single time I've tried it, so I don't even bother with it anymore.

On January 25 2011 10:01 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Plzleaveduck 6 pool 6 drone'd me on steppes of war one game. If you don't double rax on small maps you lose to stupid shit like 6 pools.

6pooling is complete cheese, that sadly works.

On January 25 2011 10:14 Starshaped wrote:
Walling off at the bottom of the ramp completely counters 6pool, 7pool etc.

^_^

On January 25 2011 10:02 dudeman001 wrote:
Why. WHYYYYY. Why can't there be "The 100 5-base macro challenge"?

On January 25 2011 10:06 SugarBear wrote:
I don't get it? Six pool is so simple and easy to execute there's no reason you'd need to practice it 100 times. I don't think this follows the same spirit as the 100 four-gate thread, which at least requires elementary school level skills to pull off. A better thread would be a 100-baneling bust challenge or a 100 7RR all-in challenge as someone mentioned above.

On January 25 2011 10:02 dudeman001 wrote:
Why. WHYYYYY. Why can't there be "The 100 5-base macro challenge"?

On January 25 2011 09:49 eveo wrote:


Meh, really easy to scout and defend so I hope people don't rage too hard in this thread. I wonder if anyone will gain significantly.

On January 25 2011 13:28 Cha1R wrote:
Ill do it. Should be fun.

On January 25 2011 09:55 gogogadgetflow wrote:
Anyone else been getting 6-pool+drone all-in'd on Jungle since Idra did it?

On January 25 2011 13:24 GreEny K wrote:



You realize that protoss doesn't scout until 9/12 so there isn't a really good way to block it unless you chrono units out from the start which most of us dont like to do because we use chronos for workers.

On January 25 2011 13:50 Munk-E wrote:
Does it have to be 6-pool? Can it be 7-pool? I have a build for 7-pools.
does it have to be the exact build in liquipedia? can i make OL at 8 and keep streaming lings in if the situation calls for it?

On January 25 2011 14:57 prodiG wrote:

How can you "have a build" for 7 pool and not 6 pool? Care to elaborate?

This should be pretty funny to see who wins, although I'll admit I think it's got less merit than the 4gate as 4gate is actually a viable strategy at all levels, especially if you understand the timings in your matchup.

6 pool, notso much. (maybe steppes or jb ;D!)

On January 25 2011 10:02 dudeman001 wrote:
Why. WHYYYYY. Why can't there be "The 100 5-base macro challenge"?

On January 25 2011 15:42 KillerPlague wrote:


most maps don't have 5 bases per player -_-

On January 25 2011 15:25 fAnTaCy wrote:
No, bad, 6 pool is terrible, the game doesn't need more cheese shit, especially cheese challenges like this =/. It's just dumb, and like someone said earlier, baneling bust is a lot more efficient of an all-in for zerg. 6 pool just to easy to scout and stop so, just no T_T

On January 25 2011 10:08 charlie420247 wrote:


PEOPLE DO IT ON METAL???

On January 25 2011 17:56 JeJeFlak wrote:
I lose to 6 pool 1 in 10 games...its really hard not to stop it.

One time I didn't I scouted him last on metalopolis ...still managed to wall of and put 1 canon down...he managed to drop the wall and i put my workers to complete the wall but somehow he managed to slip in ...i stopped it but he killed almost all my probes and he was ahead in probe count and he beat me.

Now the funny part is that this guy was practicing 6 pool..he did it every time against protoss.When i asked him why ,he said that that was an economical 6 pool and its not an all in and that he wins 80% of the time with it ???The sad part is i heard this from other players to "Eco 6 pool".

Even if you dont send drones...youre gona end with 6-8 drones against 14-16 probes witch is gg...

Since then every time I stop it i ask "was this the eco 6 pool?".

On January 25 2011 20:01 NeoR wrote:


Eco 6 pool: 6pool, get no lings, but a queen and get faster drones... /sarcasm

On January 25 2011 10:05 ckw wrote:


Yeah because the 100 4gate challenge will help tons of people improve...

On January 25 2011 09:55 gogogadgetflow wrote:
Anyone else been getting 6-pool+drone all-in'd on Jungle since Idra did it?

On January 26 2011 06:40 hmsrenown wrote:
4 gate is good for learning basic of protoss, 6 pool is not good for learning zerg

On January 25 2011 17:25 eveo wrote:


So? That's the point of this thread, because it's ridiculous, seeing who can get where with it.

On January 26 2011 07:07 Skillz_Man wrote:
4 Gate is a relatively hard to do build once you reach higher level. Sure, Gold level 4 gate is 1a. But a High Diamond/Masters 4 gate actually requires suberb control, target firing, kiting, moving damaged ones back (you'd be suprised how difficult it is)... As well as in middle of the micro to keep re enforcing. In PvP especially, you need a solid transition as soon as you feel it's necessary. So don't go around saying how stupid protoss is.

On January 26 2011 13:57 Skillz_Man wrote:



With your thinking zerg could be a "stupid" race. They are able to go zergling + roach off one base vs any race. They can do it in zvz, they can sure do it in zvt, and I've seen it in zvp several times too. Sure the drone timings are slightly different. But then again, and pvz 4 gate differs from pvp 4 gate, and you can't actually 4 gate effectively in pvt.

Next, let's look if terran is also a "stupid" race. TvP I have a friend(masters) who does a 3 rax all in every single game. So let's see if you can do that in other match ups. TvZ, you sure can, just go more marine heavy, possibly go 4 rax instead of 3 rax but same idea. Lastly, even in TvT you see a marauder + marine bioball before many tanks come out. So my conclusion, using your thinking, is Starcraft is stupid because you can do the same build and easily reach high diamond.

Now because I was extending it too far, but I wanted you to understand how what you said was incorrect.

On January 26 2011 06:46 Jermstuddog wrote:
6 pool is a terrible strategy. I'd much rather see a 100 7 pool (just 8 lings) challenge.

7 pool has become my standard opening in ZvZ and ZvP and it leads to macro games 70% of the time with both of us roughly even on income. Far more versatile than 6 pool.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Fail_Pool_Rush_(vs_Protoss) for reference...

On January 25 2011 10:01 teamsolid wrote:
Pretty sure ActionJesus already done this challenge.

On January 26 2011 16:08 defcon wrote:
Agree with the criticism of 6pool as a viable 100-z challenge. With 4gate, there is at least the potential to transition into some sort of normal play. 6pool is binary win or fail: there is pretty much nothing to be gained from it. 100 6pool =/= 100 4gate, maybe 100 gateway @ 8 or 10 food.

On January 25 2011 10:05 HotKimchi wrote:

In all seriousness though. I'm doing some early scouting.

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On January 25 2011 10:02 dudeman001 wrote:
Why. WHYYYYY. Why can't there be "The 100 5-base macro challenge"?

On January 25 2011 09:55 arterian wrote:


if you scout zerg last on metalopolis you can lose to it very easily as toss

On January 25 2011 11:32 Uncultured wrote:



The point of the last thread wasn't to refine your 4gate build. IT was to collect data on someones rise or fall through the ranks while executing one strategy well.

On January 27 2011 03:16 Alejandrisha wrote:


hey man day9 says that the instant you make units they start losing values cause theyre not drones! just what are you going to do with that poolat 1:50 into game!

On January 27 2011 04:21 Disastorm wrote:
Perhaps with this 100 6 pool challenge people will find legit ways to transition to standard game, much like the 4 gate (originally the 4 gate was also considered 100% cheese before people were able to transition).


He can get a super early queen.
You can also mindgame. Your opponent spots 6 pool and starts preparing to defend it, while you just mass drone and even expand.

On January 27 2011 04:30 Bitters wrote:


defend it by making another pylon or going forge first? or dropping an earlier supply depot wall? the pool would put you back way further than the response

On January 27 2011 04:21 Disastorm wrote:
Perhaps with this 100 6 pool challenge people will find legit ways to transition to standard game, much like the 4 gate (originally the 4 gate was also considered 100% cheese before people were able to transition).
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On January 27 2011 04:44 barkles wrote:


Day9 did a daily on a game where HuK was playing against some Korean zerg, the zerg 7-pooled, and when Huk built an extra gateway, forge, and cannon, the zerg just droned hardcore and ended up winning. So it is possible

On January 25 2011 21:42 Sm3agol wrote:


You laugh but I've seen several very good zergs do this in tournaments vs zerg. If you 7 pool, make sure they scout it, then drop a quick spine and queen, then drone up hard and go mass roach, you almost auto win. Your opponent is going to immediately drop a pool and make about 12 lings before he realizes what is up, and by that point you'll be untouchable.

On January 26 2011 14:18 Nobu wrote:


You can go roach/ling of one base as zerg vs any race???? you can go into paper league with that, because any one base strategy that zerg can do, its FAR worse than any of the other races, just look at pro players and how many times they succed with any one base play.

Anyways, i think this challenge dont suit zerg style just because of that, you cant do a one base aggresive build and get an average 50% at high levels (maybe 7RR but its still pretty bad), and obviously we cant say something like "The 100 2 base hidra-roach challenge!", so in my opinion, just let the challenges for other races, altough im interested about the results

On January 27 2011 04:56 IPA wrote:


Are you really suggesting Zerg can transition out of a 6 pool into a standard game? Really?

On January 30 2011 09:39 Sm3agol wrote:
Doesn't count for much, but I saw a top 200 zerg take someone else's random n00b account into +3000 point masters doing nothing but 6 pool over and over again. You can pull it off vs most races, you just have to not get scouted at 10 supply and micro really well. I seriously didn't see him lose a single Z v Z though.

On January 27 2011 06:33 The_Piper42 wrote:
At first I thought this would be a good reason to avoid the ladder for a while. Then I realized all the free wins I'd be missing. :-)