EPTCasters making money off games - Page 9
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
As far as casters making money, well, they were smart to see the opportunity and grab it, and luck also played a role. That is how business usually works and that's how the world works. On the other hand, I'm losing more and more respect for TB every time he comes into one of these threads mentioning Husky and goes on his holier than thou rants about how casters are some elites who are doing everything out of their noble goodwill for the community and everyone who questions them should STFU because they know nothing. It really isn't doing him or other casters any favor by being so overly defensive. | ||
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Sevryn
698 Posts
On January 20 2011 07:57 iNcontroL wrote: I actually feel bad for the production people above all. Sirscoots? Slasher? Lee? These are the true victims. Producing MLG, Lo3, WoC... behind the scenes and not getting ANYTHING. Fucking bigwigs like DjWheat rolling in fat stacks while scoots sits empty handed with his lowly tricaster... makes me sick. Djwheat deserves to roll in fat stacks but he works full time in addition to all the content he makes | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
He can't help where he was born and the way he was raised. | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
On January 20 2011 07:59 Sevryn wrote: Djwheat deserves to roll in fat stacks but he works full time in addition to all the content he makes Incontrol if you saw someone making posts like the ones you do now would you enjoy it or temp ban them? | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On January 20 2011 07:59 Sevryn wrote: Djwheat deserves to roll in fat stacks but he works full time in addition to all the content he makes FULL TIME MY ASS he still has time to raise a kid, be married AND play video games. He is working 1/4th time at best. | ||
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MDew
United States256 Posts
 <3 incontrol | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On January 20 2011 08:00 Erandorr wrote: Incontrol if you saw someone making posts like the ones you do now would you enjoy it or temp ban them? I would perm ban them for impersonating someone greater than they. | ||
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GFree
Singapore71 Posts
My 2 cents in this is that if casters are really making so much money off each cast, then they should consider hosting their own tournaments with decent prize pools. This would increase the activity in the scene, channel more money to the players while also generating more money for the casters through ads and decrease the dependency on an external company sponsoring. If casters can really make that much money off Youtube videos then it seems to me that the Sponsor aspect of the Caster/Player/Viewer/Sponsor machination can actually be replaced with the Caster itself. It would mean more work for the caster but it would definitely channel their money back to esports. Doesn't Day9 do this with Wednesday Night Fights? If they AREN'T making that much money, then of course they can't do what I've suggested above. That suggestion however, would result in some amount of monopoly in the field because those casters who are already making money would have the means to generate more money by setting up tournaments while those who are making bare minimum they need will find it harder to compete in content and thus viewers, and even further down, actual returns. I'm basically highlighting the fact that if money is being brought in outside from Sponsors through adverts then that money can be put into the community to grow it. Now that that's done, I personally believe that players should be compensated for putting out good content though that money need not directly come from the casters. Instead, they can use Paypal to get donations from fans, especially anyone who wants to point fingers. Alternatively, I think that if a tournament promised a a very small sum per game won, it would be sufficient to slowly add up. Players participate in a lot of small tourneys (I believe it was highlighted in another thread how top level players were playing in small scale tourneys and there was an issue about them killing the scene) and by having a small sum per game won, you increase the money returned to the player slowly. Even if this sum was just a dollar per game won, I think it would add up. I use 'won' rather than 'played' because then there'd be the issue of players throwing games on a technicality that the game was actually played. | ||
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Sevryn
698 Posts
On January 20 2011 08:01 iNcontroL wrote: FULL TIME MY ASS he still has time to raise a kid, be married AND play video games. He is working 1/4th time at best. djWHEAT djWHEAT I love it when people get angry that I don't answer their emails or calls, and then surprised when they find out I work full-time. :/ 3 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply copy pasta from twitter <3 | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On January 20 2011 07:46 Enervate wrote: Even if casters do make too much money, they don't owe anything to the progamers. In every single sports organization, players are paid by their teams (along with winnings), not spectators or commentators. Spectators do help increase pay, though, but I don't see how people can draw a link between commentators being overpaid and progamers being underpaid. If Husky/HD stopped getting paid, it's not like progamers would start getting paid more. Progamer pay and caster pay aren't inversely related. In fact, I would argue that they are directly related, and if caster pay continues to increase, then progamer pay will also increase. Agreed, Caster pay is not too high, player pay is just (currently) too low unless you are one of the few to be on a top team. On January 20 2011 07:52 resilve wrote: Tyler is right about this issue. Being 'the best', or even 'better' has nothing to do with it. The architecture of youtube subscriptions rewards 'the first' and the pioneers ad infinitum. The subscription model is a snowballing effect, to work it up from nothing (or nearly nothing, even with the help of a few thousand TL fans) is an insane obstacle to overcome. As long as you got there first (a la HD and Husky), with a few marketing and promotional ploys, all you have to do is churn out mediocrity and you can maintain it. That is my personal gripe with this system. This isn't just a youtube thing, it's an issue with every market in the world. With gaming you can look at MMOs. World of Warcraft is an old game is becoming outdated but it refuses to die. Many other games have high potential but they just don't get the playerbase as they are all firmly entrenched in WoW. Same thing with Pro teams. A player may join a team while on a hot-streak but they don't lose their spot if they have a bad month. Mac and Windows are the dominant operating systems and will continue to be even with atrocities like Windows Vista. Linux didn't come blast them out of the water. It sound like you have a personal gripe with how all marketing works, not just the youtube system. The early bird gets the worm ^^ | ||
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Ruthless
United States492 Posts
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Teddyman
Finland362 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On January 20 2011 08:02 Sevryn wrote: djWHEAT djWHEAT I love it when people get angry that I don't answer their emails or calls, and then surprised when they find out I work full-time. :/ 3 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply copy pasta from twitter <3 Dude, he can't work full time.. look at my argument. How is it possible? | ||
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On January 20 2011 07:57 Sein wrote: On the other hand, I'm losing more and more respect for TB every time he comes into one of these threads mentioning Husky and goes on his holier than thou rants about how casters are some elites who are doing everything out of their noble goodwill for the community and everyone who questions them should STFU because they know nothing. It really isn't doing him or other casters any favor by being so overly defensive. This bullshit hyperbole isn't helping the discussion either, not that there is any discussion anymore. If that's how you choose to take what I said that's your own problem. Telling people not to make shit up when they know nothing about the thing they're trying to discuss is common sense and as for the rest of it, I've never actually said that so whatever you want to fill in the blanks with is your own business. As regards to Incontrol, his posts were spot on and excellent. But since he has now mentioned my inefficient upbringing I must ask that I receive more pity from everyone involved. | ||
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Sevryn
698 Posts
On January 20 2011 08:05 iNcontroL wrote: Dude, he can't work full time.. look at my argument. How is it possible? clones | ||
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SharkSpider
Canada606 Posts
On January 20 2011 07:57 iNcontroL wrote: I actually feel bad for the production people above all. Sirscoots? Slasher? Lee? These are the true victims. Producing MLG, Lo3, WoC... behind the scenes and not getting ANYTHING. Fucking bigwigs like DjWheat rolling in fat stacks while scoots sits empty handed with his lowly tricaster... makes me sick. Not sure if that last part is trolling or w/e, but streaming doesn't net you as much as static video views on youtube does. That's why the more businessy casters dont bother with streaming, because it would just cut in to their profits. But yeah, sucks to produce an awesome event, release reps so the public can enjoy them, and then get boned as other casters score all the views for people who want to see casted games. | ||
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leakingpear
United Kingdom302 Posts
On January 20 2011 08:00 iNcontroL wrote: Don't blame TB for coming off defensive and acting "holier than thou." He can't help where he was born and the way he was raised. Hey as much as TB likes to pretend he's english, to us he's like a bizarre caricature by someone who's never been to britain of what they imagine british people are like. It's like that video on youtube with the italian guy doing that song full of gibberish that kind of sounds like english. | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
On January 20 2011 08:02 iNcontroL wrote: I would perm ban them for impersonating someone greater than they. So thats where Idras bans came from? It all makes sense now . | ||
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